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Praying versus acting

kowalskil
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1/31/2013 9:59:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The following advice is from a prayer book:

"Pray as if everything depended upon God, act as if everything depended on you."

I think that this is consistent with the idea of NOMA, formulated by the biologist Stephen Gould. We exist in the material world; God exists in the spiritual world.

The context in which the idea of NOMA was formulated is summarized in my article about futile conflicts between theists and atheists:

http://pages.csam.montclair.edu...
Ludwik Kowalski, author of "Diary of a Former Communist: Thoughts, Feelings, Reality." <http://csam.montclair.edu...

http://csam.montclair.edu...

It is a testimony based on a diary kept between 1946 and 2004 (in the USSR, Poland, France and the USA).

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medic0506
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2/1/2013 12:16:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 9:59:30 PM, kowalskil wrote:
The following advice is from a prayer book:

"Pray as if everything depended upon God, act as if everything depended on you."

I think that this is consistent with the idea of NOMA, formulated by the biologist Stephen Gould. We exist in the material world; God exists in the spiritual world.

The context in which the idea of NOMA was formulated is summarized in my article about futile conflicts between theists and atheists:

http://pages.csam.montclair.edu...

"The first step toward mutual respect between theists and atheists should be the recognition that most people on Earth live in two different worlds: material and spiritual. Methods of validation of claims made by theologians specializing in spiritual doctrines are very different from those used by scientists exploring our physical world. God is not a material entity, and attempts to refute God's existence by performing scientific experiments are not appropriate. The same is true for attempts to refute scientific claims, such as the age of the earth, on the basis of disagreements with holy books."

Gould's concept is unworkable, it's tantamount to saying that everyone should be guided by the majority vote of scientists. In Gould's view, God would simply be an afterthought, since most of our world and our lives involve the material. But since God is the creator of the material world, how does one divorce the two concepts?? The idea that the material world and the spiritual world are different, may work for the atheist, but I doubt many theists would be ok agreeing to that.