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dylancatlow
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2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?
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2/22/2013 8:19:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

Step back and take a look the mirror.
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2/22/2013 8:22:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I find myself instinctively doing the same thing from time to time. Then, I just have to remind myself of all the intelligent theists (and stupid atheists) I know.
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2/22/2013 8:29:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 8:19:32 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

Step back and take a look the mirror.

Like here, for instance. I'm not insulted by your comment because I don't respect you. Is that wrong?
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2/22/2013 8:32:50 PM
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At 2/22/2013 8:29:47 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:19:32 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

Step back and take a look the mirror.

Like here, for instance. I'm not insulted by your comment because I don't respect you. Is that wrong?

It wasn't an insult. I tell the same thing to others and to my self before I criticize someone. I don't really care if you respect me or not.
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2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?
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2/22/2013 8:36:41 PM
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At 2/22/2013 8:32:50 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:29:47 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:19:32 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

Step back and take a look the mirror.

Like here, for instance. I'm not insulted by your comment because I don't respect you. Is that wrong?

It wasn't an insult. I tell the same thing to others and to my self before I criticize someone. I don't really care if you respect me or not.

Or if you want me to phrase it more artfully, ""Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" When you're introspective, critical, and self aware one tends to not be so automatically dismissive of others. That's something everyone needs to work on.
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2/22/2013 8:39:11 PM
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A lot of people who have only believed more or less one thing their whole lives have a hard time accepting others who believe something else. But as someone who has been through many beliefs, religious or otherwise, I can tell you that it is definitely wrong to judge someone for their beliefs, no matter how stupid it may seem.
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2/22/2013 8:48:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

If your assumptions about someone is that they're irrational and illogical simply because they believe differently than you, then yes that's wrong, and you've shown yourself to be the irrational and illogical one.
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2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.
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2/22/2013 9:07:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 8:48:03 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

If your assumptions about someone is that they're irrational and illogical simply because they believe differently than you, then yes that's wrong, and you've shown yourself to be the irrational and illogical one.

Actually, if someone believes something without evidence, using emotion as their guidance, I believe that says a lot about that person. I cannot see why people shouldn't judge others on their beliefs; what you believe says a lot about you.
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2/22/2013 9:09:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

Did you make this thread just to say "I'm going to ignore you" to every theist who responds?
dylancatlow
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2/22/2013 9:12:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 9:09:25 PM, DakotaKrafick wrote:
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

Did you make this thread just to say "I'm going to ignore you" to every theist who responds?

It was mainly directed at atheists.
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2/22/2013 9:19:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 9:12:23 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 9:09:25 PM, DakotaKrafick wrote:
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

Did you make this thread just to say "I'm going to ignore you" to every theist who responds?

It was mainly directed at atheists.

Well, here I am. You never responded to what I originally said.
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2/22/2013 9:24:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I've met some incredibly intelligent people who were christian. Isaac newton, regarded as one of the most intelligent men of all time, was a christian. I think many people compartmentalize their thinking, and different standards are applied to different beliefs. I will never understand those who base their beliefs on plausibility and evidence, up until the point when certain topics are discussed then faith suddenly becomes their primary vehicle.
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2/22/2013 9:46:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

Don't listen to your physics teacher when they speak about Newton then. He was probably a tard too. Gosh you atheist teenagers are so dam smart!
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2/22/2013 9:54:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

Do you really have this attitude in everyday life? I certainly hope not.
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2/22/2013 10:43:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 9:54:32 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

Do you really have this attitude in everyday life? I certainly hope not.

Who are you, a Story book Jebus worshipper, to talk to an atheist like that?
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dylancatlow
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2/22/2013 10:45:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 10:43:54 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/22/2013 9:54:32 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

Do you really have this attitude in everyday life? I certainly hope not.

Who are you, a Story book Jebus worshipper, to talk to an atheist like that?

Amen!
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2/23/2013 12:53:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I used to have the same problem. I had to think about the fact that I had/have such different experiences from religious people and if I had had those experience, I would likely be religious and have a hard time letting go of my religious beliefs.
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2/23/2013 12:54:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

I expect more than talking down to someone younger than you because of your age...is that wrong?
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2/23/2013 12:56:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 8:39:11 PM, natoast wrote:
A lot of people who have only believed more or less one thing their whole lives have a hard time accepting others who believe something else. But as someone who has been through many beliefs, religious or otherwise, I can tell you that it is definitely wrong to judge someone for their beliefs, no matter how stupid it may seem.

I don't think it is wrong to judge someone for their beliefs. Their beliefs do say important things about someone, but it is more their rationale behind the belief that is important, not if they are a theist or atheist.
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2/23/2013 1:04:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

See that's ignorant. Christian is so non-specific. You don't know what their specific beliefs are or why they believe them. I used to have this problem, but you have to get past the idea that "they believe in god, they are illogical." Because until you've actually had those experiences, you cannot say you wouldn't believe the same thing.
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2/23/2013 1:06:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 9:46:44 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

Don't listen to your physics teacher when they speak about Newton then. He was probably a tard too. Gosh you atheist teenagers are so dam smart!

If you are so old, wise, and mature, why are you picking on someone for their age and talking down to them?
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2/23/2013 4:31:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 10:45:15 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 10:43:54 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/22/2013 9:54:32 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 2/22/2013 9:05:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:35:24 PM, Apeiron wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I expect such malarky because of your age... is that wrong?

Once again...you are a christian. I cannot take your judgement seriously.

Do you really have this attitude in everyday life? I certainly hope not.

Who are you, a Story book Jebus worshipper, to talk to an atheist like that?

Amen!

LOL
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2/23/2013 7:03:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think religion is best viewed as a type of ideology. One purpose of ideology is to provide quick answers to questions. No one is able to resolve every important question from scratch, but we all want answers to questions, even if we recognize that we cannot resolve them with certainty. Christians have an answer to, "Why s there evil in the world?" that runs along the lines of, "Because humans sin by not following the teachings of Christ." That begs the question to a degree, bu it is more intelligent than the modern political ideological answers like, "Because capitalism exploits workers." or other pathetic attempts at scapegoating popular among the liberal elite.

So, yes, I do judge Christians by their beliefs, in the same way that I judge other ideologues. I don't think they come off badly. They compare favorably to modern alternative belief systems. Atheist should not view Christianity as a static institution. While Christians sometimes claim that the religion has not evolved, quite obviously it has. Darwinism has gotten rid of the violence of the Middle Ages. The Divine Right of Kings is gone. Not so modern political ideologies. For example, the Occupy Wall Street movement is admired for it's use of violence against non-believers. That's primitive.

It's not wise to judge people overall by their ideological beliefs. People have a remarkable ability to compartmentalize their beliefs. They can be completely nuts about A and B, but perfectly rational about C and D. I think it is fair to judge, but not to make sweeping judgements.
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2/23/2013 8:45:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 9:07:23 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/22/2013 8:48:03 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

If your assumptions about someone is that they're irrational and illogical simply because they believe differently than you, then yes that's wrong, and you've shown yourself to be the irrational and illogical one.

Actually, if someone believes something without evidence, using emotion as their guidance, I believe that says a lot about that person. I cannot see why people shouldn't judge others on their beliefs; what you believe says a lot about you.

You're right, what you believe says alot about who you are as a person.
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2/23/2013 8:58:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/22/2013 7:47:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
It's sort of hard for me to not to make assumptions about someone if they are christian or religious. I think of it as a logic test that reveals irrational thought and wishful thinking. Opinions?

I don't disagree that it takes a bit of critical thinking to end up 'converting' from a religion to being an atheist.. And do agree that people who've previously been religious and have become atheists are, on average, more intelligent.

However, it's certainly not the case that All atheists are more intelligent than theists, nor that all atheists can elucidate a more coherent argument in support of their beliefs than some theists could.
Sure, they've the got chances on their side... Being how they're probably on average smarter, and that they don't have to defend the Preposterous :)...
but some theists are actually good at Kowtowing to the Forms of Reason even if the contents they deal with are a bit... Funky.

Really, if you're looking for decent, engaging, conversation you can't count on, or count out, anybody just because of what they call themselves..
Because trying to dismantle a well organized, thought out, bunch of bull is Infinitely more engaging than patting some idiot on the back for agreeing with you just b/c you agree on the big picture.
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