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2/23/2013 8:10:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
First, I love Catholic art; the statues, the carvings, the paintings, the churches, everything. My favorite art is usually religious art. So I'm not starting this thread to hate on Catholics, I am merely curious. But I never understood why they did it, when it is forbidden according to the bible.

"Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth."_Exodus 20:4

This was taken from the Douay-Rheims bible, which is a Catholic translation. It is clear that it is forbidden, so what is their reason for disobeying the law? Thanks for the input.
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2/23/2013 9:09:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/23/2013 8:10:30 PM, EvanK wrote:
First, I love Catholic art; the statues, the carvings, the paintings, the churches, everything. My favorite art is usually religious art. So I'm not starting this thread to hate on Catholics, I am merely curious. But I never understood why they did it, when it is forbidden according to the bible.

"Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth."_Exodus 20:4

This was taken from the Douay-Rheims bible, which is a Catholic translation. It is clear that it is forbidden, so what is their reason for disobeying the law? Thanks for the input.

Short answer: Statues are not prohibited.

Long answer: The Second Commandment from the Bible you have quoted is from the King James version, which is not the translation that Catholics use. Which translation is correct is up for debate and I don't care to have that debate. Regardless, in the Catholic bible, the Second Commandment really forbids idolatry not the creation of graven images. They are different, as idolatry is defined as the worship of physical objects as God. It does not say we cannot create art depicting God to inspire feeling of piety. However we are forbidden to worship said creations as God.
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2/23/2013 9:15:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/23/2013 9:09:23 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/23/2013 8:10:30 PM, EvanK wrote:
First, I love Catholic art; the statues, the carvings, the paintings, the churches, everything. My favorite art is usually religious art. So I'm not starting this thread to hate on Catholics, I am merely curious. But I never understood why they did it, when it is forbidden according to the bible.

"Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth."_Exodus 20:4

This was taken from the Douay-Rheims bible, which is a Catholic translation. It is clear that it is forbidden, so what is their reason for disobeying the law? Thanks for the input.

Short answer: Statues are not prohibited.

Long answer: The Second Commandment from the Bible you have quoted is from the King James version, which is not the translation that Catholics use. Which translation is correct is up for debate and I don't care to have that debate. Regardless, in the Catholic bible, the Second Commandment really forbids idolatry not the creation of graven images. They are different, as idolatry is defined as the worship of physical objects as God. It does not say we cannot create art depicting God to inspire feeling of piety. However we are forbidden to worship said creations as God.

http://www.biblegateway.com...

Actually, my quote was from the Catholic Bible. Douay-Rhames Bible, which is used by the church.
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2/23/2013 9:15:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You also have to pay attention to the footnotes in the Bible. I just looked up the online version of the Bible you used, and I will paste it below:

A graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing: All such images, or likenesses, are forbidden by this commandment, as are made to be adored and served; according to that which immediately follows, thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them. That is, all such as are designed for idols or image-gods, or are worshipped with divine honour. But otherwise images, pictures, or representations, even in the house of God, and in the very sanctuary so far from being forbidden, are expressly authorized by the word of God. See Ex. 25. 15, and etc.; chap. 38. 7; Num. 21. 8, 9; 1 Chron. or Paralip. 28. 18, 19; 2 Chron. or Paralip. 3. 10.
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2/23/2013 9:17:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/23/2013 9:15:04 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:09:23 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/23/2013 8:10:30 PM, EvanK wrote:
First, I love Catholic art; the statues, the carvings, the paintings, the churches, everything. My favorite art is usually religious art. So I'm not starting this thread to hate on Catholics, I am merely curious. But I never understood why they did it, when it is forbidden according to the bible.

"Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth."_Exodus 20:4

This was taken from the Douay-Rheims bible, which is a Catholic translation. It is clear that it is forbidden, so what is their reason for disobeying the law? Thanks for the input.

Short answer: Statues are not prohibited.

Long answer: The Second Commandment from the Bible you have quoted is from the King James version, which is not the translation that Catholics use. Which translation is correct is up for debate and I don't care to have that debate. Regardless, in the Catholic bible, the Second Commandment really forbids idolatry not the creation of graven images. They are different, as idolatry is defined as the worship of physical objects as God. It does not say we cannot create art depicting God to inspire feeling of piety. However we are forbidden to worship said creations as God.

http://www.biblegateway.com...

Actually, my quote was from the Catholic Bible. Douay-Rhames Bible, which is used by the church.

I was looking at the language. When I see words like thou, they typically stem from the King James version, or translations taken from the King James version.

I never even heard of that translation before today though. We always used the New Jerusalem Bible.
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2/23/2013 9:57:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/23/2013 9:17:21 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:15:04 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:09:23 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/23/2013 8:10:30 PM, EvanK wrote:
First, I love Catholic art; the statues, the carvings, the paintings, the churches, everything. My favorite art is usually religious art. So I'm not starting this thread to hate on Catholics, I am merely curious. But I never understood why they did it, when it is forbidden according to the bible.

"Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth."_Exodus 20:4

This was taken from the Douay-Rheims bible, which is a Catholic translation. It is clear that it is forbidden, so what is their reason for disobeying the law? Thanks for the input.

Short answer: Statues are not prohibited.

Long answer: The Second Commandment from the Bible you have quoted is from the King James version, which is not the translation that Catholics use. Which translation is correct is up for debate and I don't care to have that debate. Regardless, in the Catholic bible, the Second Commandment really forbids idolatry not the creation of graven images. They are different, as idolatry is defined as the worship of physical objects as God. It does not say we cannot create art depicting God to inspire feeling of piety. However we are forbidden to worship said creations as God.

http://www.biblegateway.com...

Actually, my quote was from the Catholic Bible. Douay-Rhames Bible, which is used by the church.

I was looking at the language. When I see words like thou, they typically stem from the King James version, or translations taken from the King James version.

I never even heard of that translation before today though. We always used the New Jerusalem Bible.

It's the version my parents always used, so that's why I used that translation.

As for the footnotes, I'm curious who decided that was the case. I'll look into the different verses cited, but it seems to me that the language is pretty straightfoward: No graven images, including anything in heaven above. It seems that since Catholics genuflect in front of the Crucifix, that would be breaking this law, since it seems as though it is "divine worship". Either way, they are beautiful pieces of art. Thanks for your input.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

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2/23/2013 10:19:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/23/2013 9:57:38 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:17:21 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:15:04 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:09:23 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/23/2013 8:10:30 PM, EvanK wrote:
First, I love Catholic art; the statues, the carvings, the paintings, the churches, everything. My favorite art is usually religious art. So I'm not starting this thread to hate on Catholics, I am merely curious. But I never understood why they did it, when it is forbidden according to the bible.

"Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth."_Exodus 20:4

This was taken from the Douay-Rheims bible, which is a Catholic translation. It is clear that it is forbidden, so what is their reason for disobeying the law? Thanks for the input.

Short answer: Statues are not prohibited.

Long answer: The Second Commandment from the Bible you have quoted is from the King James version, which is not the translation that Catholics use. Which translation is correct is up for debate and I don't care to have that debate. Regardless, in the Catholic bible, the Second Commandment really forbids idolatry not the creation of graven images. They are different, as idolatry is defined as the worship of physical objects as God. It does not say we cannot create art depicting God to inspire feeling of piety. However we are forbidden to worship said creations as God.

http://www.biblegateway.com...

Actually, my quote was from the Catholic Bible. Douay-Rhames Bible, which is used by the church.

I was looking at the language. When I see words like thou, they typically stem from the King James version, or translations taken from the King James version.

I never even heard of that translation before today though. We always used the New Jerusalem Bible.

It's the version my parents always used, so that's why I used that translation.

As for the footnotes, I'm curious who decided that was the case. I'll look into the different verses cited, but it seems to me that the language is pretty straightfoward: No graven images, including anything in heaven above. It seems that since Catholics genuflect in front of the Crucifix, that would be breaking this law, since it seems as though it is "divine worship". Either way, they are beautiful pieces of art. Thanks for your input.

Catholic don't genuflect to the cross. They genuflect to the tabernacle, which holds the Eucharist which Catholics believe to be the body and blood of Christ.

There is absolutely nothing simple about translating the Bible. For one, it is a text over thousands of years old that was mostly carried down from oral tradition. Also, every language has its own intricacies that must be accounted for. For example, a word in Hebrew may best translate into a certain word in English, but not quite. That is why the Bible has footnotes. To make up for those deficiencies that always come from translating ancient text into modern language.
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2/24/2013 7:49:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/23/2013 10:19:06 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Catholic don't genuflect to the cross.

catholic awarded writer Alice L. Camille disagrees!

. . . . . . . . Genuflection, or touching down one knee accompanied by the Sign of the Cross, is a particular gesture made only in a Catholic church or other place designated for worship. . . . . (Source: http://www.vocationnetwork.org...)

Much better luck next times!
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2/24/2013 8:08:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/23/2013 10:19:06 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
There is absolutely nothing simple about translating the Bible. For one, it is a text over thousands of years old that was mostly carried down from oral tradition.

Meaning = ' hearsay! '.
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2/24/2013 3:57:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/23/2013 10:19:06 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:57:38 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:17:21 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:15:04 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 2/23/2013 9:09:23 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 2/23/2013 8:10:30 PM, EvanK wrote:
First, I love Catholic art; the statues, the carvings, the paintings, the churches, everything. My favorite art is usually religious art. So I'm not starting this thread to hate on Catholics, I am merely curious. But I never understood why they did it, when it is forbidden according to the bible.

"Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth."_Exodus 20:4

This was taken from the Douay-Rheims bible, which is a Catholic translation. It is clear that it is forbidden, so what is their reason for disobeying the law? Thanks for the input.

Short answer: Statues are not prohibited.

Long answer: The Second Commandment from the Bible you have quoted is from the King James version, which is not the translation that Catholics use. Which translation is correct is up for debate and I don't care to have that debate. Regardless, in the Catholic bible, the Second Commandment really forbids idolatry not the creation of graven images. They are different, as idolatry is defined as the worship of physical objects as God. It does not say we cannot create art depicting God to inspire feeling of piety. However we are forbidden to worship said creations as God.

http://www.biblegateway.com...

Actually, my quote was from the Catholic Bible. Douay-Rhames Bible, which is used by the church.

I was looking at the language. When I see words like thou, they typically stem from the King James version, or translations taken from the King James version.

I never even heard of that translation before today though. We always used the New Jerusalem Bible.

It's the version my parents always used, so that's why I used that translation.

As for the footnotes, I'm curious who decided that was the case. I'll look into the different verses cited, but it seems to me that the language is pretty straightfoward: No graven images, including anything in heaven above. It seems that since Catholics genuflect in front of the Crucifix, that would be breaking this law, since it seems as though it is "divine worship". Either way, they are beautiful pieces of art. Thanks for your input.

Catholic don't genuflect to the cross. They genuflect to the tabernacle, which holds the Eucharist which Catholics believe to be the body and blood of Christ.

There is absolutely nothing simple about translating the Bible. For one, it is a text over thousands of years old that was mostly carried down from oral tradition. Also, every language has its own intricacies that must be accounted for. For example, a word in Hebrew may best translate into a certain word in English, but not quite. That is why the Bible has footnotes. To make up for those deficiencies that always come from translating ancient text into modern language.

Idk, I was taught you genuflect to the cross and tabernacle, but I suppose it differs from church to church.

And yeah, I'm sure translating it is hard. One of the reasons why I have trouble taking anything in the bible to heart, is the fact that there are so many translations. Obviously no easy job translating from several languages to one. Thanks for the input though. I appreciate it.
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"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

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2/24/2013 4:39:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
EvanK People could NOT READ!!!
Until the seventeenth century there were very few bible.... Bibles were costly works of art!
The Catholic Church TAUGHT Jesus and brought salvation to the world!!

She used whatever means available "The stain Glass tells story' from the scriptures!" The Statues also likewise... But much more!!

THINK: The statues help the people focus on the spiritual!!
The statues help place the mind on religious people and events!

EvanK Google Piet" By Michelangelo!! Mary holding the body of Jesus the look on Mary' face, can't be shown by words or a Camera!>> THERE WERE NO CAMERAS!!!!

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2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 7:49:06 AM, Composer wrote:
At 2/23/2013 10:19:06 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Catholic don't genuflect to the cross.

catholic awarded writer Alice L. Camille disagrees!

. . . . . . . . Genuflection, or touching down one knee accompanied by the Sign of the Cross, is a particular gesture made only in a Catholic church or other place designated for worship. . . . . (Source: http://www.vocationnetwork.org...)

Much better luck next times!

johnnyboy didn't say the Sign of the Cross doesn't accompany genuflection. He said we don't genuflect to the Cross, and he means the actual physical cross in the Church. Of course we make the sign of the Cross when we genuflect, but we direct it at the tabernacle.
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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2/25/2013 8:15:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
johnnyboy didn't say the Sign of the Cross doesn't accompany genuflection. He said we don't genuflect to the Cross, and he means the actual physical cross in the Church. Of course we make the sign of the Cross when we genuflect, but we direct it at the tabernacle.

#1: " You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land, to bow down to them; for I am the Lord your God. " (Lev. 26:1) CE RSV 1966

7181 - carved image (Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible NIV Version. 1996)

A Cross is a figured carved image!

&

#2: " You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

That includes your Cross & your abominable catholic artwork depicting various alleged heavenly and earthly characters like Mary, jebus, apostles & saints for example!

&

At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
. . . . Of course we make the sign of the Cross

You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, (Exod. 20:4) RSV catholic Story book

graven image = carved image!

Thus ' making the Sign of a Cross ' is another abomination as it is engraving, carving a Sign ' carved in the air ' by the disobedient hands of those catholics creating it as a sign upon themselves!

The catholics ' carve images upon themselves '

Their own Story book says ' DON'T carve nor engrave such images, LOL!

At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
when we genuflect,

genuflect: Verb - 1. Bend the knees and bow in church or before a religious superior or image

2. Bend the knees and bow in a servile manner

Oops!

. . . . 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

NB: catholics BOW DOWN!

Their own catholic Story book (Exod. 20:5) says ' DON'T BOW DOWN! ' LOL!

catholics are Pagan Idol & Pagan graven image disobedient worshippers of a Mother fukkr! (Luke 1:35) catholic Story book
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2/25/2013 8:25:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 8:15:14 AM, Composer wrote:
At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
johnnyboy didn't say the Sign of the Cross doesn't accompany genuflection. He said we don't genuflect to the Cross, and he means the actual physical cross in the Church. Of course we make the sign of the Cross when we genuflect, but we direct it at the tabernacle.

#1: " You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land, to bow down to them; for I am the Lord your God. " (Lev. 26:1) CE RSV 1966

7181 - carved image (Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible NIV Version. 1996)

A Cross is a figured carved image!

&

#2: " You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

That includes your Cross & your abominable catholic artwork depicting various alleged heavenly and earthly characters like Mary, jebus, apostles & saints for example!

&

At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
. . . . Of course we make the sign of the Cross

You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, (Exod. 20:4) RSV catholic Story book

graven image = carved image!

Thus ' making the Sign of a Cross ' is another abomination as it is engraving, carving a Sign ' carved in the air ' by the disobedient hands of those catholics creating it as a sign upon themselves!

The catholics ' carve images upon themselves '

Their own Story book says ' DON'T carve nor engrave such images, LOL!


At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
when we genuflect,

genuflect: Verb - 1. Bend the knees and bow in church or before a religious superior or image

2. Bend the knees and bow in a servile manner

Oops!

. . . . 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

NB: catholics BOW DOWN!

Their own catholic Story book (Exod. 20:5) says ' DON'T BOW DOWN! ' LOL!

catholics are Pagan Idol & Pagan graven image disobedient worshippers of a Mother fukkr! (Luke 1:35) catholic Story book

I'll pray for you, Composer. You misinterpreted what johnnyboy54 said, and I corrected you.
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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2/25/2013 8:37:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 8:15:14 AM, Composer wrote:
At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
johnnyboy didn't say the Sign of the Cross doesn't accompany genuflection. He said we don't genuflect to the Cross, and he means the actual physical cross in the Church. Of course we make the sign of the Cross when we genuflect, but we direct it at the tabernacle.

#1: " You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land, to bow down to them; for I am the Lord your God. " (Lev. 26:1) CE RSV 1966

7181 - carved image (Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible NIV Version. 1996)

A Cross is a figured carved image!

&

#2: " You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

That includes your Cross & your abominable catholic artwork depicting various alleged heavenly and earthly characters like Mary, jebus, apostles & saints for example!

&

At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
. . . . Of course we make the sign of the Cross

You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, (Exod. 20:4) RSV catholic Story book

graven image = carved image!

Thus ' making the Sign of a Cross ' is another abomination as it is engraving, carving a Sign ' carved in the air ' by the disobedient hands of those catholics creating it as a sign upon themselves!

The catholics ' carve images upon themselves '

Their own Story book says ' DON'T carve nor engrave such images, LOL!


At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
when we genuflect,

genuflect: Verb - 1. Bend the knees and bow in church or before a religious superior or image

2. Bend the knees and bow in a servile manner

Oops!

. . . . 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

NB: catholics BOW DOWN!

Their own catholic Story book (Exod. 20:5) says ' DON'T BOW DOWN! ' LOL!

catholics are Pagan Idol & Pagan graven image disobedient worshippers of a Mother fukkr! (Luke 1:35) catholic Story book

At 2/25/2013 8:25:31 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
I'll pray for you, Composer. You misinterpreted what johnnyboy54 said, and I corrected you.

Nah!

Your own Story book states you shouldn't even have a graven/carved image of a Cross in ANY form (including the one you carve in the air upon yourselves) you wanna-be the agent of a Mother Fukkr! (Luke 1:35) catholic Story book

So whatever you catholic Mother Fukkr supporters are doing in the presence of a cross or Image or Statue etc. of ANY KIND, is in direct violation of your own Story book!

You are not only a thick catholic but so thick as you don't even want to obey your own Story book propaganda, you wanna-be agent of a Mother Fukkr, and I corrected you on everything we have discussed so far and I shall continue to correct you and continue to remain entirely vindicated also!

Much much better luck next times though, LOL!

Your vindicated mentor, 50 year successful Cult busting personal successful literal Saviour, moi!
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2/25/2013 8:46:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 8:37:01 AM, Composer wrote:
At 2/25/2013 8:15:14 AM, Composer wrote:
At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
johnnyboy didn't say the Sign of the Cross doesn't accompany genuflection. He said we don't genuflect to the Cross, and he means the actual physical cross in the Church. Of course we make the sign of the Cross when we genuflect, but we direct it at the tabernacle.

#1: " You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land, to bow down to them; for I am the Lord your God. " (Lev. 26:1) CE RSV 1966

7181 - carved image (Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible NIV Version. 1996)

A Cross is a figured carved image!

&

#2: " You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

That includes your Cross & your abominable catholic artwork depicting various alleged heavenly and earthly characters like Mary, jebus, apostles & saints for example!

&

At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
. . . . Of course we make the sign of the Cross

You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, (Exod. 20:4) RSV catholic Story book

graven image = carved image!

Thus ' making the Sign of a Cross ' is another abomination as it is engraving, carving a Sign ' carved in the air ' by the disobedient hands of those catholics creating it as a sign upon themselves!

The catholics ' carve images upon themselves '

Their own Story book says ' DON'T carve nor engrave such images, LOL!


At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
when we genuflect,

genuflect: Verb - 1. Bend the knees and bow in church or before a religious superior or image

2. Bend the knees and bow in a servile manner

Oops!

. . . . 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

NB: catholics BOW DOWN!

Their own catholic Story book (Exod. 20:5) says ' DON'T BOW DOWN! ' LOL!

catholics are Pagan Idol & Pagan graven image disobedient worshippers of a Mother fukkr! (Luke 1:35) catholic Story book


At 2/25/2013 8:25:31 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
I'll pray for you, Composer. You misinterpreted what johnnyboy54 said, and I corrected you.

Nah!

Your own Story book states you shouldn't even have a graven/carved image of a Cross in ANY form (including the one you carve in the air upon yourselves) you wanna-be the agent of a Mother Fukkr! (Luke 1:35) catholic Story book

So whatever you catholic Mother Fukkr supporters are doing in the presence of a cross or Image or Statue etc. of ANY KIND, is in direct violation of your own Story book!

You are not only a thick catholic but so thick as you don't even want to obey your own Story book propaganda, you wanna-be agent of a Mother Fukkr, and I corrected you on everything we have discussed so far and I shall continue to correct you and continue to remain entirely vindicated also!

Much much better luck next times though, LOL!

Your vindicated mentor, 50 year successful Cult busting personal successful literal Saviour, moi!

Composer, what do you compose?
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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2/25/2013 9:10:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 8:46:41 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 2/25/2013 8:37:01 AM, Composer wrote:
At 2/25/2013 8:15:14 AM, Composer wrote:
At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
johnnyboy didn't say the Sign of the Cross doesn't accompany genuflection. He said we don't genuflect to the Cross, and he means the actual physical cross in the Church. Of course we make the sign of the Cross when we genuflect, but we direct it at the tabernacle.

#1: " You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land, to bow down to them; for I am the Lord your God. " (Lev. 26:1) CE RSV 1966

7181 - carved image (Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible NIV Version. 1996)

A Cross is a figured carved image!

&

#2: " You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

That includes your Cross & your abominable catholic artwork depicting various alleged heavenly and earthly characters like Mary, jebus, apostles & saints for example!

&

At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
. . . . Of course we make the sign of the Cross

You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, (Exod. 20:4) RSV catholic Story book

graven image = carved image!

Thus ' making the Sign of a Cross ' is another abomination as it is engraving, carving a Sign ' carved in the air ' by the disobedient hands of those catholics creating it as a sign upon themselves!

The catholics ' carve images upon themselves '

Their own Story book says ' DON'T carve nor engrave such images, LOL!


At 2/24/2013 5:29:56 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
when we genuflect,

genuflect: Verb - 1. Bend the knees and bow in church or before a religious superior or image

2. Bend the knees and bow in a servile manner

Oops!

. . . . 5you shall not bow down to them ; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God . . . . . . . (Exod. 20:4, 5) CE RSV 1966

NB: catholics BOW DOWN!

Their own catholic Story book (Exod. 20:5) says ' DON'T BOW DOWN! ' LOL!

catholics are Pagan Idol & Pagan graven image disobedient worshippers of a Mother fukkr! (Luke 1:35) catholic Story book


At 2/25/2013 8:25:31 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
I'll pray for you, Composer. You misinterpreted what johnnyboy54 said, and I corrected you.

Nah!

Your own Story book states you shouldn't even have a graven/carved image of a Cross in ANY form (including the one you carve in the air upon yourselves) you wanna-be the agent of a Mother Fukkr! (Luke 1:35) catholic Story book

So whatever you catholic Mother Fukkr supporters are doing in the presence of a cross or Image or Statue etc. of ANY KIND, is in direct violation of your own Story book!

You are not only a thick catholic but so thick as you don't even want to obey your own Story book propaganda, you wanna-be agent of a Mother Fukkr, and I corrected you on everything we have discussed so far and I shall continue to correct you and continue to remain entirely vindicated also!

Much much better luck next times though, LOL!

Your vindicated mentor, 50 year successful Cult busting personal successful literal Saviour, moi!

Composer, what do you compose?

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2/25/2013 11:49:49 AM
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As the disobedient children of Jacob, built themselves a calf to worship, and say, this is our God oh Israel, so the catholic church, the disobedient one's, for I think not all of them are, make graven pagan images, of mary, jesus, and the like, to bow down to, and not seek the Lord through his word. Let not the Lord speak to us lest we be consummed, afraid of Christ. But Mary, we can run to her, she's nice. Implying what?
Mary worship. This be your god oh catholic church, and anyone who follows her. Lord have mercy! they no not what they do.
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2/25/2013 1:38:19 PM
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At 2/25/2013 11:49:49 AM, Suqua wrote:
As the disobedient children of Jacob, built themselves a calf to worship, and say, this is our God oh Israel, so the catholic church, the disobedient one's, for I think not all of them are, make graven pagan images, of mary, jesus, and the like, to bow down to, and not seek the Lord through his word. Let not the Lord speak to us lest we be consummed, afraid of Christ. But Mary, we can run to her, she's nice. Implying what?
Mary worship. This be your god oh catholic church, and anyone who follows her. Lord have mercy! they no not what they do.

Catholic's do NOT worship Statues, we do NOT worship Mary! So you are wrong!
We "Catholic' CHRISTIANS" ask friends and family to pray to Jesus for us.
Suqua You are the sinner you also ask friends and family to pray to Jesus for you.. You KNOW; You are supposed to go directly to Jesus! Thus you reject scriptures!

Suqua God commands Moses to carve statues for a religious purpose: two cherubim which he placed to sit on top the Ark of the Covenant. Oooooh now you say; "Moses is worshiping cherubim statues"!!!! You can't have it both ways, PROVING you are wrong!!

Moses made a "Bronze Serpent" only when Moses saw the people start to worship the "Statue" did he destroy it! WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE!
Worship of anything, not just statues, in place of the True God is idolatry! Stain Glass windows, Paintings and Icons ALL are used to TEACH about Jesus!
Suqua Until the Seventeen Hundreds MOST people could not read.. The Holy Catholic Church TAUGHT Jesus and salvation to the world, so much for the man made tradition of "All man needs is the scriptures to be saved"!!!

Suqua You believe the man made teaching.. "All man needs is the scriptures to be saved" you reject the scriptures to believe it!! Rejecting the scriptures is REJECTING Jesus and GOD!

This be your god oh protestant, oh "Seventh Day Adventist church", and anyone who follows it. Lord have mercy! They must reject your words to believe what they do. They must reject the scriptures to believe, they can reject the ONLY CHURCH you are ALWAYS WITH!

Suqua You have "Communion Service"!!! You are in COMMUNION with a SYMBOL!! You believe the bread is only symbolic...COMMUNION root word "Communication"! Look now you are communicating with a SYMBOL.. TRULY IDOLATRY!
The Holy Catholic Church is TRULY in COMMUNION with GOD!
Ignatius of Antioch is Clearly CATHOLIC
The early Church is Catholic...
Look what Ignatius says about "Communion"!
"I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible" (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).

Suqua Eighteen Hundred years after Jesus, your church formed by men comes along and proclaims; STOP the presses, for Eighteen Hundred years CHRISTIANS have had it all wrong!! Yeah RIGHT!!!
LOGIC and HISTORY tell you; "You are wrong"! The Early Church and Scriptures tell you; "You are WRONG!"
Suqua You must reject Logic, History, The Early Church and Scriptures to be, "Seventh Day Adventist"!

The ONLY CHURCH Jesus formed is the Holy Catholic Church!
The ONLY CHURCH Jesus is ALWAYS WITH, to the very end of the world is the Holy Catholic Church!

Jesus is only with the Holy Catholic Church.. Scriptures tell you so! Proving your church is "Satan's Child" your church fights against the Holy Catholic Church.. Not very neighborly I might add!

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2/25/2013 3:09:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 1:38:19 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:49:49 AM, Suqua wrote:
As the disobedient children of Jacob, built themselves a calf to worship, and say, this is our God oh Israel, so the catholic church, the disobedient one's, for I think not all of them are, make graven pagan images, of mary, jesus, and the like, to bow down to, and not seek the Lord through his word. Let not the Lord speak to us lest we be consummed, afraid of Christ. But Mary, we can run to her, she's nice. Implying what?
Mary worship. This be your god oh catholic church, and anyone who follows her. Lord have mercy! they no not what they do.

Catholic's do NOT worship Statues, we do NOT worship Mary! So you are wrong!
We "Catholic' CHRISTIANS" ask friends and family to pray to Jesus for us.
Suqua You are the sinner you also ask friends and family to pray to Jesus for you.. You KNOW; You are supposed to go directly to Jesus! Thus you reject scriptures!

Suqua God commands Moses to carve statues for a religious purpose: two cherubim which he placed to sit on top the Ark of the Covenant. Oooooh now you say; "Moses is worshiping cherubim statues"!!!! You can't have it both ways, PROVING you are wrong!!

Moses made a "Bronze Serpent" only when Moses saw the people start to worship the "Statue" did he destroy it! WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE!
Worship of anything, not just statues, in place of the True God is idolatry! Stain Glass windows, Paintings and Icons ALL are used to TEACH about Jesus!
Suqua Until the Seventeen Hundreds MOST people could not read.. The Holy Catholic Church TAUGHT Jesus and salvation to the world, so much for the man made tradition of "All man needs is the scriptures to be saved"!!!

Suqua You believe the man made teaching.. "All man needs is the scriptures to be saved" you reject the scriptures to believe it!! Rejecting the scriptures is REJECTING Jesus and GOD!

This be your god oh protestant, oh "Seventh Day Adventist church", and anyone who follows it. Lord have mercy! They must reject your words to believe what they do. They must reject the scriptures to believe, they can reject the ONLY CHURCH you are ALWAYS WITH!

Suqua You have "Communion Service"!!! You are in COMMUNION with a SYMBOL!! You believe the bread is only symbolic...COMMUNION root word "Communication"! Look now you are communicating with a SYMBOL.. TRULY IDOLATRY!
The Holy Catholic Church is TRULY in COMMUNION with GOD!
Ignatius of Antioch is Clearly CATHOLIC
The early Church is Catholic...
Look what Ignatius says about "Communion"!
"I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible" (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).

Suqua Eighteen Hundred years after Jesus, your church formed by men comes along and proclaims; STOP the presses, for Eighteen Hundred years CHRISTIANS have had it all wrong!! Yeah RIGHT!!!
LOGIC and HISTORY tell you; "You are wrong"! The Early Church and Scriptures tell you; "You are WRONG!"
Suqua You must reject Logic, History, The Early Church and Scriptures to be, "Seventh Day Adventist"!

The ONLY CHURCH Jesus formed is the Holy Catholic Church!
The ONLY CHURCH Jesus is ALWAYS WITH, to the very end of the world is the Holy Catholic Church!

Jesus is only with the Holy Catholic Church.. Scriptures tell you so! Proving your church is "Satan's Child" your church fights against the Holy Catholic Church.. Not very neighborly I might add!

Dogknox

So my catholic friends are wrong, when they say they go to church every day and pray to mary, the dead one? My fight is not against the catholic church per say, but against those who think man made doctrine is higher than God. I must have hit a tender point, as you mentioned neighbor. You use it out of context, neighbor to the catholic church is those who follow them, if not, extermination, hate to say it but I'm on the side of the bible and history of the reformation, oops, de-formation as your church would like to believe.You are my neighbor, that's why I'm sharing these words with you or else I would leave you in darkness. But I'd like to see you free from error and taste and see that the Lord is good. And you can trust only in Him as your salvation, free from works of the church, penence, confession to a man, and all other forms of deception, and control, other than The Love of God. All those who wanted to help bring the CHURCH back to their first love, the CHURCH shut up. Like the prophets of old who tried to bring the Israelites back to a knowledge of God, and what was their reward, shut them up, extermination. I see nothings changed. Just shut up and believe us, but the bible says, just shut up, we'll tell you what the bibles says. Sometimes the truth hurts and it sounds like its against you, but in reality it for you. While you can change. With Christ all things are possible.
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2/25/2013 3:33:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Suqua you said.. So my catholic friends are wrong, when they say they go to church every day and pray to mary, the dead one?
I reply: You are wrong.. Catholic's believe the scriptures!

Catholic' ask Mary OUR MOTHER to pray for us!
Just who do you think Mary might be praying to, she prays for us (Catholic') her Children to Jesus her own Son!??!

Mary is NOT DEAD! She is in heaven; "Queen of Heaven and earth!" She has a crown of stars!

Scriptures are very very clear.. "Mary is the MOTHER of Catholic's!"
Suqua This is PROPHESY!
Luke 1
46 And Mary said:
"My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me"
holy is his name.
50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation.


Verse #48 "FROM NOW ON" tells you.. "Mary has a genealogy", she has a ancestry starting right from the PROPHESY "FROM NOW ON"!
ALL GENERATION tells you Mary has generations of CHILDREN!

Suqua ONLY the Catholic people can say "We HAVE ALWAYS Called Mary Blessed!" No others.. Only the Catholic Church fits the PROPHESY! There was ONLY the Catholic Church back two thousand years ago when the PROPHESY was made!
Suqua PROVING: "Mary is my MOTHER"! I Dogknox is IN Mary' generational family: all generations will call me blessed,

Suqua "Mary is NOT she cannot be your mother" you are not part of the "FROM NOW ON" Prophesy!
Mary is NOT your mother so God cannot be your Father, Jesus cannot be your brother! It is just this simple... "The SDA Church cannot be the church of scriptures, cannot be the body of Jesus"!

Mary cannot be your mother thus Jesus cannot be your brother!

Catholic' HONOR Mary we have ALWAYS honored our Mother.. God commands it.. "Honor your father and MOTHER!"
Jesus MUST HONOR Mary his mother.. He MUST!
Suqua LOGIC ALONE tells you: If Jesus did not honor Mary he would be sinning, he would not be perfect he would NOT be GOD!

Thus the crown of stars.. Jesus honors his MOTHER in a way ONLY a God could!

Mary intercedes for us in prayer to her Son, Jesus! Jesus is a good son he listens to his mother! I am in Mary' family so Jesus IS MY BROTHER!

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2/25/2013 4:04:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 3:33:58 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Suqua you said.. So my catholic friends are wrong, when they say they go to church every day and pray to mary, the dead one?
I reply: You are wrong.. Catholic's believe the scriptures!

Catholic' ask Mary OUR MOTHER to pray for us!
Just who do you think Mary might be praying to, she prays for us (Catholic') her Children to Jesus her own Son!??!

Mary is NOT DEAD! She is in heaven; "Queen of Heaven and earth!" She has a crown of stars!

Scriptures are very very clear.. "Mary is the MOTHER of Catholic's!"
Suqua This is PROPHESY!
Luke 1
46 And Mary said:
"My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me"
holy is his name.
50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation.


Verse #48 "FROM NOW ON" tells you.. "Mary has a genealogy", she has a ancestry starting right from the PROPHESY "FROM NOW ON"!
ALL GENERATION tells you Mary has generations of CHILDREN!

Suqua ONLY the Catholic people can say "We HAVE ALWAYS Called Mary Blessed!" No others.. Only the Catholic Church fits the PROPHESY! There was ONLY the Catholic Church back two thousand years ago when the PROPHESY was made!
Suqua PROVING: "Mary is my MOTHER"! I Dogknox is IN Mary' generational family: all generations will call me blessed,

Suqua "Mary is NOT she cannot be your mother" you are not part of the "FROM NOW ON" Prophesy!
Mary is NOT your mother so God cannot be your Father, Jesus cannot be your brother! It is just this simple... "The SDA Church cannot be the church of scriptures, cannot be the body of Jesus"!

Mary cannot be your mother thus Jesus cannot be your brother!

Catholic' HONOR Mary we have ALWAYS honored our Mother.. God commands it.. "Honor your father and MOTHER!"
Jesus MUST HONOR Mary his mother.. He MUST!
Suqua LOGIC ALONE tells you: If Jesus did not honor Mary he would be sinning, he would not be perfect he would NOT be GOD!

Thus the crown of stars.. Jesus honors his MOTHER in a way ONLY a God could!

Mary intercedes for us in prayer to her Son, Jesus! Jesus is a good son he listens to his mother! I am in Mary' family so Jesus IS MY BROTHER!

Dogknox

Sorry! But the truth is tough, Mary is dead, dead, awaiting the call of her saviour JESUS, just like everyone else who wait for the resurection morning. Bible not catholic tradition tells us that. Sorry, yes, you have been praying to a dead person all this time. No one willing to tell it to you straight? You are my neighbor, I just want you to know the truth.
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2/25/2013 4:24:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Suqua Sorry! But the truth is tough, Mary is dead, dead, awaiting the call of her saviour JESUS, just like everyone else who wait for the resurection morning. Bible not catholic tradition tells us that. Sorry, yes, you have been praying to a dead person all this time. No one willing to tell it to you straight? You are my neighbor, I just want you to know the truth.

I reply:
The Apostles are sitting on thrones in heaven!
The saints are alive..Revelation 20:4
[ The saints rule with Christ ] Then I saw thrones, and people took their seats on them, and judgment was given in their favor. They were the ones who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and God"s word, and those who hadn"t worshipped the beast or its image, who hadn"t received the mark on their forehead or hand. They came to life and ruled with Christ for one thousand years.

Mary is alive in heaven.. 12 Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
2 She was pregnant, and she cried out because she was in labor, in pain from giving birth.

Moses and Elijah are ALIVE!!!!
Matthew 17:2
He was transformed in front of them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as light.
3 Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Jesus.

You said.. you have been praying to a dead person all this time.

I reply. For you to say this (above) you MUST reject the thousands and thousands of Miracles attributed to Mary! You must reject all the Prayers to Mary that have been answered!

Suqua Jesus honors Mary his MOTHER, proving you are not Jesus' brother! You reject Mary, proving you are not in God' holy Family!
From the Prophesy of Mary to today.. Catholic' have Honored Mary as "blessed"!
All people IN Jesus.. "Mary INCLUDED" can't die!
Jesus rose never to die again.. All in Jesus' holy Catholic >BODY< are alive forever!

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2/28/2013 9:22:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Suqua You said.. "Mary is dead"!

I reply with scriptures.. Jesus is telling us about "Lazarus and the Rich Man", (below) clearly the Rich Man is alive and Lazarus is alive... The Rich Man is pleading with Abraham to send Lazarus..
Suqua The Rich Man is "INTERCEDING" for the souls of his five brothers left on earth with Abraham!!!! (verse 27 & 30 below) The Rich Man, Abraham and Lazarus are ALIVE!
These men are NOT DEAD, so Mary can't be dead!!!

Luke 16:27
"He answered, "Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family,
28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment."
29 "Abraham replied, "They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them."
30 ""No, father Abraham," he said, "but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent."
31 "He said to him, "If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.""


Suqua Clearly Jesus is telling you in his words, the holy scriptures>>> Abraham the Rich Man and Lazarus are ALIVE!

Clearly Mary; Jesus' own mother, the Mother of God must be alive!!
Mary "INTERCEDES" for her Children, all people "IMMERSED into the Holy Body of Jesus" are Mary' Children!!

XXXXXXXXXXXXXX...All of Mary' CHILDREN call Jesus BROTHER!...XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
All of her Children are in the holy body of Jesus!

Suqua "All who are BROTHER of Jesus can call God FATHER"! Clearly Mary is NOT she CANNOT be your mother!

You reject Mary, thus you reject son-ship in the holy family of God! It is just this simple!

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3/1/2013 1:42:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 4:24:51 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Suqua Sorry! But the truth is tough, Mary is dead, dead, awaiting the call of her saviour JESUS, just like everyone else who wait for the resurection morning. Bible not catholic tradition tells us that. Sorry, yes, you have been praying to a dead person all this time. No one willing to tell it to you straight? You are my neighbor, I just want you to know the truth.

I reply:
The Apostles are sitting on thrones in heaven!
The saints are alive..Revelation 20:4
[ The saints rule with Christ ] Then I saw thrones, and people took their seats on them, and judgment was given in their favor. They were the ones who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and God"s word, and those who hadn"t worshipped the beast or its image, who hadn"t received the mark on their forehead or hand. They came to life and ruled with Christ for one thousand years.

Mary is alive in heaven.. 12 Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
2 She was pregnant, and she cried out because she was in labor, in pain from giving birth.

Moses and Elijah are ALIVE!!!!
Matthew 17:2
He was transformed in front of them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as light.
3 Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Jesus.

Right!

You said.. you have been praying to a dead person all this time.

Thats truth!

I reply. For you to say this (above) you MUST reject the thousands and thousands of Miracles attributed to Mary! You must reject all the Prayers to Mary that have been answered!

Lets not mix words, I REJECT MIRACLES ATTRIBUTED TO MARY! I REJECT PRAYING TO MARY! Do I make myself clear. MARY IS DEAD, LYING IN THE GRAVE.

Suqua Jesus honors Mary his MOTHER, proving you are not Jesus' brother! You reject Mary, proving you are not in God' holy Family!

I REJECT PRAYING TO MARY! MARY IS DEAD AND CAN'T HEAR YOU.

From the Prophesy of Mary to today.. Catholic' have Honored Mary as "blessed"!
All people IN Jesus.. "Mary INCLUDED" can't die!
Jesus rose never to die again.. All in Jesus' holy Catholic >BODY< are alive forever!

I REJECT PRAYING TO MARY! MARY IS DEAD! MARY IS DEAD! I REPEAT MARY IS DEAD

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3/1/2013 5:58:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
If the money that had been wasted on these statues and other trappings of power had instead been used to feed the poor, I might have had a little more respect for the Catholic Church.
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3/1/2013 6:51:42 AM
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At 2/23/2013 8:10:30 PM, EvanK wrote:
First, I love Catholic art; the statues, the carvings, the paintings, the churches, everything. My favorite art is usually religious art. So I'm not starting this thread to hate on Catholics, I am merely curious. But I never understood why they did it, when it is forbidden according to the bible.

"Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth."_Exodus 20:4

This was taken from the Douay-Rheims bible, which is a Catholic translation. It is clear that it is forbidden, so what is their reason for disobeying the law? Thanks for the input.

We're pagan idolaters who worship Mary as a goddess, that's why.

Seriously though, it's a prescription against idolatry rather than making images, because God commanded the creation of images at other times in the Bible, so if He was dead set against making statues because they were somehow inherently evil or something, He'd have contradicted himself.

The Ten Commandments as listed by the Jews make no mention of graven images, showing that they correctly understood it as warning against idolatry (http://judaism.about.com...).
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13