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Wallstreetatheist
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2/25/2013 11:43:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
What arguments are there for his existence?

I've seen some points, but they seem coincidental at best: http://tinyurl.com...
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2/25/2013 11:44:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
http://www.godlessgeeks.com...

Replace "God" with "FSM".
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2/25/2013 11:57:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 11:44:51 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
http://www.godlessgeeks.com...

Replace "God" with "FSM".

ARGUMENT FROM CREATIVE INTERPRETATION
(1) FSM is:
(a) The feeling you have when you look at a newborn baby.
(b) The love of a mother for her child.
(c) That little still voice in your heart.
(d) Humankind's potential to overcome their difficulties.
(e) How I feel when I look at a sunset.
(f) The taste of ice cream on a hot day.
(2) Therefore, FSM exists.
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2/26/2013 2:56:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The Thomistic Argument from Pasta Perfection

1. There are degrees of goodness in pasta
2. There are degrees of being in pasta: the more being, the more goodness
3. For there to be degrees of being there must be a pasta which has being in the highest degree
4. :. A pasta in the highest degree of being must exist
5. :. The Flying Spaghetti Monster exists

I love Aquinas, so I know this is a really bad parody...
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2/26/2013 10:06:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 11:57:58 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:44:51 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
http://www.godlessgeeks.com...

Replace "God" with "FSM".

ARGUMENT FROM CREATIVE INTERPRETATION
(1) FSM is:
(a) The feeling you have when you look at a newborn baby.
(b) The love of a mother for her child.
(c) That little still voice in your heart.
(d) Humankind's potential to overcome their difficulties.
(e) How I feel when I look at a sunset.
(f) The taste of ice cream on a hot day.
(2) Therefore, FSM exists.

Premise 1.f. is false. The FSM tastes nothing like ice cream, regardless of the temperature.
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2/26/2013 10:06:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 2:56:05 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
The Thomistic Argument from Pasta Perfection

1. There are degrees of goodness in pasta
2. There are degrees of being in pasta: the more being, the more goodness
3. For there to be degrees of being there must be a pasta which has being in the highest degree
4. :. A pasta in the highest degree of being must exist
5. :. The Flying Spaghetti Monster exists

I love Aquinas, so I know this is a really bad parody...

Ha! That's what I was going to post! Great minds think like me.
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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2/26/2013 10:12:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 10:06:42 AM, philochristos wrote:
At 2/26/2013 2:56:05 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
The Thomistic Argument from Pasta Perfection

1. There are degrees of goodness in pasta
2. There are degrees of being in pasta: the more being, the more goodness
3. For there to be degrees of being there must be a pasta which has being in the highest degree
4. :. A pasta in the highest degree of being must exist
5. :. The Flying Spaghetti Monster exists

I love Aquinas, so I know this is a really bad parody...

Ha! That's what I was going to post! Great minds think like me.

I'm going to use this line some time in the future.
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
philochristos
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2/26/2013 10:55:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 10:12:00 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:06:42 AM, philochristos wrote:
Ha! That's what I was going to post! Great minds think like me.

I'm going to use this line some time in the future.

It is pretty genius, I admit. :-)
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2/26/2013 11:01:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 2:56:05 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
The Thomistic Argument from Pasta Perfection

1. There are degrees of goodness in pasta
2. There are degrees of being in pasta: the more being, the more goodness
3. For there to be degrees of being there must be a pasta which has being in the highest degree
4. :. A pasta in the highest degree of being must exist
5. :. The Flying Spaghetti Monster exists

I challenge premises 3 and 4 on the grounds that the highest degree is subjective. Do you consider pasta with meat sauce a higher degree than pasta with garlic and cheese?? Since the highest degree can't be objectively determined, the FSM must not exist.
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2/26/2013 12:16:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
My apologies for ruining the light-hearted mood of the thread, but I just can't help but produce a worried chuckle whenever I see an internet atheist actually taking the Flying Spaghetti Monster "objection" seriously (not saying anyone here has).

I mean, the contradiction in terms that results of equating/comparing the FSM with God is quite obvious, isn't it?
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2/26/2013 12:30:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 12:16:29 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
My apologies for ruining the light-hearted mood of the thread, but I just can't help but produce a worried chuckle whenever I see an internet atheist actually taking the Flying Spaghetti Monster "objection" seriously (not saying anyone here has).

I mean, the contradiction in terms that results of equating/comparing the FSM with God is quite obvious, isn't it?

It was originally a parody in the Dover trail meant to parody the 'equal time to competing theories' argument for intelligent design.
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2/26/2013 12:34:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 12:16:29 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
My apologies for ruining the light-hearted mood of the thread, but I just can't help but produce a worried chuckle whenever I see an internet atheist actually taking the Flying Spaghetti Monster "objection" seriously (not saying anyone here has).

I mean, the contradiction in terms that results of equating/comparing the FSM with God is quite obvious, isn't it?

There could be a serious argument though. I mean, there's not really anyway to disprove the FSM but obviously the FSM doesn't exist. So why should the atheist have to disprove Yahweh?
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2/26/2013 1:04:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 12:16:29 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
My apologies for ruining the light-hearted mood of the thread, but I just can't help but produce a worried chuckle whenever I see an internet atheist actually taking the Flying Spaghetti Monster "objection" seriously (not saying anyone here has).

I mean, the contradiction in terms that results of equating/comparing the FSM with God is quite obvious, isn't it?

I find your comment offensive! I believe in the FSM and i know he exists. I have "divine feelings" about the FSM and have talked to the FSM. I find it immoral how so many people choose to reject the FSM, even though the FSM has done so much for mankind.
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2/26/2013 1:27:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 12:34:28 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 2/26/2013 12:16:29 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
My apologies for ruining the light-hearted mood of the thread, but I just can't help but produce a worried chuckle whenever I see an internet atheist actually taking the Flying Spaghetti Monster "objection" seriously (not saying anyone here has).

I mean, the contradiction in terms that results of equating/comparing the FSM with God is quite obvious, isn't it?

There could be a serious argument though. I mean, there's not really anyway to disprove the FSM but obviously the FSM doesn't exist. So why should the atheist have to disprove Yahweh?

Oh, but I think it's trivially easy to disprove the FSM.

Namely, a "Spaghetti Monster" is just a material object. Now, if we understand what the concept of God entails, then we would see that God is at least immaterial and without temporal location, as well as omnipotent (if not omnibenevolent, omniscient, etc.). Now, in order for something express the property of being a "Spaghetti Monster", then that thing would need to be material (ie occupy a location in space and time); an immaterial thing cannot express the properties of "spaghetti" or "flying" ("monster" is a vague word, so no need to address that, I think). Thus to say that the Spaghetti Monster is "equal to" or "like" God is to show nothing but one's own ignorance on the matter of God's conceptual existence/properties. So when the atheist sardonically quips at the defense of the FSM, he is either

1.) Demonstrating that he has a child's idea of what God is (ie literally a bearded old guy that "hangs out" "in the heavens" or is somehow "out there" to be "found" in the universe; a mere material object or being with a spacio-temporal location)

or

2.) Providing a contradicting set of terms (ie an "immaterial" being who has the properties of being "Spaghetti" and "monster").
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2/26/2013 2:59:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 11:43:44 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
What arguments are there for his existence?

I've seen some points, but they seem coincidental at best: http://tinyurl.com...

The fine-tuning argument for the FSM. If any of the constants of the universe were changed just a bit, noodles and pasta wouldn't exist. Thus, clearly the universe was made by an entity which leans in the favor of spaghetti. We know this being to be the FSM. Thus the FSM exists.
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2/26/2013 3:27:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 2:59:40 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:43:44 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
What arguments are there for his existence?

I've seen some points, but they seem coincidental at best: http://tinyurl.com...

The fine-tuning argument for the FSM. If any of the constants of the universe were changed just a bit, noodles and pasta wouldn't exist. Thus, clearly the universe was made by an entity which leans in the favor of spaghetti. We know this being to be the FSM. Thus the FSM exists.

We can't even get a decent definition of the deity. Some say spaghetti, some say pasta. Pasta =/= Spaghetti.
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2/26/2013 5:09:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 3:27:17 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/26/2013 2:59:40 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:43:44 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
What arguments are there for his existence?

I've seen some points, but they seem coincidental at best: http://tinyurl.com...

The fine-tuning argument for the FSM. If any of the constants of the universe were changed just a bit, noodles and pasta wouldn't exist. Thus, clearly the universe was made by an entity which leans in the favor of spaghetti. We know this being to be the FSM. Thus the FSM exists.

We can't even get a decent definition of the deity. Some say spaghetti, some say pasta. Pasta =/= Spaghetti.

"Spaghetti is a long, thin, cylindrical pasta of Italian origin" - http://en.wikipedia.org...

"a white, starchy pasta of Italian origin that is made in the form of long strings, boiled, and served with any of a variety of meat, tomato, or other sauces" - http://dictionary.reference.com...

"pasta in the form of long strings" - http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

"Pasta in long, often thick strands." - http://www.answers.com...

"Spaghetti is long strings of pasta" - http://www.yourdictionary.com...

I think everyone but you knows that spaghetti is pasta lol It's all good though, no harm done...
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2/26/2013 10:16:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 5:09:30 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/26/2013 3:27:17 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/26/2013 2:59:40 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 2/25/2013 11:43:44 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
What arguments are there for his existence?

I've seen some points, but they seem coincidental at best: http://tinyurl.com...

The fine-tuning argument for the FSM. If any of the constants of the universe were changed just a bit, noodles and pasta wouldn't exist. Thus, clearly the universe was made by an entity which leans in the favor of spaghetti. We know this being to be the FSM. Thus the FSM exists.

We can't even get a decent definition of the deity. Some say spaghetti, some say pasta. Pasta =/= Spaghetti.

"Spaghetti is a long, thin, cylindrical pasta of Italian origin" - http://en.wikipedia.org...

"a white, starchy pasta of Italian origin that is made in the form of long strings, boiled, and served with any of a variety of meat, tomato, or other sauces" - http://dictionary.reference.com...

"pasta in the form of long strings" - http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

"Pasta in long, often thick strands." - http://www.answers.com...

"Spaghetti is long strings of pasta" - http://www.yourdictionary.com...

I think everyone but you knows that spaghetti is pasta lol It's all good though, no harm done...

No sh-t Sherlock...lol...I know spaghetti is pasta. But amori, anallini, barbina, bigoli, farfalle, bucotini, linguini, and tons of other examples are also pasta, and that was my point. Geography and upbringing will decide which view of the FSM one holds to.

http://www.pasta-recipes-made-easy.com...
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2/26/2013 11:35:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
(1) FSM is love.
(2) Love is blind.
(3) Stevie Wonder is blind.
(4) Therefore, Stevie Wonder is FSM.
(5) Therefore, FSM exists.
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