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Debate challenge: Atheism is not a religion.

AlbinoBunny
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3/4/2013 11:25:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I am thinking of starting a debate on this topic, just not at this current time.

Would anyone be willing to take the con side of this debate and argue that "atheism is a religion"?
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3/4/2013 11:31:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/4/2013 11:25:31 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
I am thinking of starting a debate on this topic, just not at this current time.

Would anyone be willing to take the con side of this debate and argue that "atheism is a religion"?

I would take the debate. "there are large groups of atheists who practice anti-faith exactly as theists practice faith."
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3/16/2013 5:58:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/4/2013 11:25:31 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
I am thinking of starting a debate on this topic, just not at this current time.

Would anyone be willing to take the con side of this debate and argue that "atheism is a religion"?

I believe I believe I have no beliefs. = atheism.
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3/16/2013 9:44:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
If Atheism is a religion...
then bald is a hair color.
then health is a disease.
then pedestrians should be ticketed for driving their cars too far under the speed limit.
then what's the opposite of religion and what would you call someone who has no religion?
then bears are still Catholic, and the Pope still craps in the woods.
then cremation is a fashion statement and 0 is a quantity.
then absence is presence and you can never be lonely for anyone ever again because they are always with you.
then does that mean Christians have 2 religions since they also don't believe in all of the other gods?
then transparent is a color.
then abstinence is a form of sex.
then the Taliban is a Goodwill Organization
then a blank DVD is a movie and a blank word document is an essay (try telling that to a teacher).
then being a nonsmoker is a smoking habit.
then unemployment is a career.
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3/17/2013 4:41:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/4/2013 11:25:31 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
I am thinking of starting a debate on this topic, just not at this current time.

Would anyone be willing to take the con side of this debate and argue that "atheism is a religion"?

Wouldn't it be a sure win one way or the other depending on how "atheism" and "religion" are defined and agreed upon in the context of the debate?
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3/17/2013 11:41:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/17/2013 4:41:07 PM, DakotaKrafick wrote:
Wouldn't it be a sure win one way or the other depending on how "atheism" and "religion" are defined and agreed upon in the context of the debate?

Yes. And that's what usually happens when this debate/discussion comes up. People confuse a philosophical/theological proposition with religion, and then argue past each other.

Theism and atheism are theological propositions. One: that "God" exists, and the other that "God" does not exist. To debate these opposing propositions, the participants must find a mutually agreed upon concept/definition of "God", or they will almost certainly end up arguing past each other, each on a different 'track'.

Religion actually has little to do with the argument, unless both participants agree to debate the existence of a specific religious concept of "God".
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3/18/2013 4:59:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 9:44:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If Atheism is a religion...

Then so is Buddhism
and Taoism
and every other atheist religion
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3/18/2013 5:21:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I once read an explanation for why atheism is a religion, and it went something like this:

Where does the word "religion" come from? It comes from the Latin verb "religare", which means "to bind". That would arguably mean that "religion" is "binding" or "being bound" (in this case, to a belief in something).

If we accept "religion" to mean "binding [to a set of beliefs, moral, philosophies, etc]", then our understanding of religion would not necessarily be limited to a belief in God (referring to the Judeo-Christian God), but rather, a belief in whatever you wanted to believe in (could be God, Vishnu [I apologize if this example is incorrect, as I am not very familiar with Hinduism], unicorns, or the flying spaghetti monster (that one would be pretty kickass)). I don't claim to be correct, I'm just offering an explanation that I heard.
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3/18/2013 5:42:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/18/2013 5:21:40 PM, jerry148 wrote:
I once read an explanation for why atheism is a religion, and it went something like this:

Where does the word "religion" come from? It comes from the Latin verb "religare", which means "to bind". That would arguably mean that "religion" is "binding" or "being bound" (in this case, to a belief in something).

If we accept "religion" to mean "binding [to a set of beliefs, moral, philosophies, etc]", then our understanding of religion would not necessarily be limited to a belief in God (referring to the Judeo-Christian God), but rather, a belief in whatever you wanted to believe in (could be God, Vishnu [I apologize if this example is incorrect, as I am not very familiar with Hinduism], unicorns, or the flying spaghetti monster (that one would be pretty kickass)). I don't claim to be correct, I'm just offering an explanation that I heard.

"religion (n.)
c.1200, "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-French religiun (11c.), Old French religion "religious community," from Latin religionem (nominative religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods," in Late Latin "monastic life" (5c.).

According to Cicero derived from relegere "go through again, read again," from re- "again" + legere "read" (see lecture (n.)). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (and many modern writers) connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens."

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3/18/2013 5:53:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/18/2013 4:59:05 AM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/16/2013 9:44:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
If Atheism is a religion...

Then so is Buddhism
and Taoism
and every other atheist religion

Buddhism has its sects of theists, like Theravada Buddhism. And Taoism is really more of a philosophy, but ill not debate you on that. Either way, it is not atheist, it's just not theist.
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3/19/2013 4:40:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/4/2013 11:31:51 AM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 3/4/2013 11:25:31 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
I am thinking of starting a debate on this topic, just not at this current time.

Would anyone be willing to take the con side of this debate and argue that "atheism is a religion"?

I would take the debate. "there are large groups of atheists who practice anti-faith exactly as theists practice faith."

Oh, please. In every organization there are groups who practice their organization's principles exactly as theists practice faith. This has nothing to do with whether atheism is a religion. We're not talking about the people being religious, we're talking about the *concept* being religious. If people choose to follow a non-religious concept in a religious way, that is their choice and has no reflection on the concept itself. There are theists who follow the religious concept in non-religious ways; this does not make theism non-religious.
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