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3/7/2013 7:20:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
A new study finds Mother Teresa to be a fraud. Christopher Hitchens demonstrated this in his book The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice almost twenty years earlier. Here's an article he wrote about her: [http://www.slate.com...] and here's the most recent study: [http://sir.sagepub.com...].

Reporting: [http://www.nouvelles.umontreal.ca...], [http://www.policymic.com...], [http://www.thestar.com...], [http://www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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3/7/2013 7:35:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 7:21:46 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
She's a glorified witch.

wow. only on DDO....
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3/7/2013 7:36:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 7:21:46 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
She's a glorified witch.

Mother Teresa? Fraud? That's because the Catholic Church is a fraud, although many pious people are members of it. As one moves up the hierarchy, the more fraudulent it seems to become.
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3/7/2013 7:41:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 7:21:46 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
She's a glorified witch.:

I could actually agree with this.
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3/7/2013 7:42:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 7:36:37 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 3/7/2013 7:21:46 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
She's a glorified witch.

Mother Teresa? Fraud? That's because the Catholic Church is a fraud, although many pious people are members of it. As one moves up the hierarchy, the more fraudulent it seems to become.:

I diffently agree with this.
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3/7/2013 8:04:19 PM
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At 3/7/2013 7:33:36 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
http://theunmovedmover.wordpress.com...

Okay now that PCP won the argument, can we move on to less dumb topics?
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3/7/2013 8:10:11 PM
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At 3/7/2013 7:33:36 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
http://theunmovedmover.wordpress.com...

I didn't find Hitchens very convincing at all, and this pretty much sealed it.
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3/7/2013 8:35:14 PM
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Best Article:

The myth of altruism and generosity surrounding Mother Teresa is dispelled in a paper by Serge Lariv"e and Genevieve Chenard of University of Montreal's Department of Psychoeducation and Carole S"n"chal of the University of Ottawa's Faculty of Education. The paper will be published in the March issue of the journal Studies in Religion/Sciences religieuses and is an analysis of the published writings about Mother Teresa. Like the journalist and author Christopher Hitchens, who is amply quoted in their analysis, the researchers conclude that her hallowed image"which does not stand up to analysis of the facts"was constructed, and that her beatification was orchestrated by an effective media relations campaign.

"While looking for documentation on the phenomenon of altruism for a seminar on ethics, one of us stumbled upon the life and work of one of Catholic Church's most celebrated woman and now part of our collective imagination"Mother Teresa"whose real name was Agnes Gonxha," says Professor Lariv"e, who led the research. "The description was so ecstatic that it piqued our curiosity and pushed us to research further."

As a result, the three researchers collected 502 documents on the life and work of Mother Teresa. After eliminating 195 duplicates, they consulted 287 documents to conduct their analysis, representing 96% of the literature on the founder of the Order of the Missionaries of Charity (OMC).

Facts debunk the myth of Mother Teresa
In their article, Serge Lariv"e and his colleagues also cite a number of problems not take into account by the Vatican in Mother Teresa's beatification process, such as "her rather dubious way of caring for the sick, her questionable political contacts, her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received, and her overly dogmatic views regarding, in particular, abortion, contraception, and divorce."

The sick must suffer like Christ on the cross
At the time of her death, Mother Teresa had opened 517 missions welcoming the poor and sick in more than 100 countries. The missions have been described as "homes for the dying" by doctors visiting several of these establishments in Calcutta. Two-thirds of the people coming to these missions hoped to a find a doctor to treat them, while the other third lay dying without receiving appropriate care. The doctors observed a significant lack of hygiene, even unfit conditions, as well as a shortage of actual care, inadequate food, and no painkillers. The problem is not a lack of money"the Foundation created by Mother Teresa has raised hundreds of millions of dollars"but rather a particular conception of suffering and death: "There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ's Passion. The world gains much from their suffering," was her reply to criticism, cites the journalist Christopher Hitchens. Nevertheless, when Mother Teresa required palliative care, she received it in a modern American hospital.

Questionable politics and shadowy accounting
Mother Teresa was generous with her prayers but rather miserly with her foundation's millions when it came to humanity's suffering. During numerous floods in India or following the explosion of a pesticide plant in Bhopal, she offered numerous prayers and medallions of the Virgin Mary but no direct or monetary aid. On the other hand, she had no qualms about accepting the Legion of Honour and a grant from the Duvalier dictatorship in Haiti. Millions of dollars were transferred to the MCO's various bank accounts, but most of the accounts were kept secret, Lariv"e says. "Given the parsimonious management of Mother Theresa's works, one may ask where the millions of dollars for the poorest of the poor have gone?"

The grand media plan for holiness
Despite these disturbing facts, how did Mother Teresa succeed in building an image of holiness and infinite goodness? According to the three researchers, her meeting in London in 1968 with the BBC's Malcom Muggeridge, an anti-abortion journalist who shared her right-wing Catholic values, was crucial. Muggeridge decided to promote Teresa, who consequently discovered the power of mass media. In 1969, he made a eulogistic film of the missionary, promoting her by attributing to her the "first photographic miracle," when it should have been attributed to the new film stock being marketed by Kodak. Afterwards, Mother Teresa travelled throughout the world and received numerous awards, including the Nobel Peace Prize. In her acceptance speech, on the subject of Bosnian women who were raped by Serbs and now sought abortion, she said: "I feel the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a direct war, a direct killing"direct murder by the mother herself."

Following her death, the Vatican decided to waive the usual five-year waiting period to open the beatification process. The miracle attributed to Mother Theresa was the healing of a woman, Monica Besra, who had been suffering from intense abdominal pain. The woman testified that she was cured after a medallion blessed by Mother Theresa was placed on her abdomen. Her doctors thought otherwise: the ovarian cyst and the tuberculosis from which she suffered were healed by the drugs they had given her. The Vatican, nevertheless, concluded that it was a miracle. Mother Teresa's popularity was such that she had become untouchable for the population, which had already declared her a saint. "What could be better than beatification followed by canonization of this model to revitalize the Church and inspire the faithful especially at a time when churches are empty and the Roman authority is in decline?" Lariv"e and his colleagues ask.

Positive effect of the Mother Teresa myth
Despite Mother Teresa's dubious way of caring for the sick by glorifying their suffering instead of relieving it, Serge Lariv"e and his colleagues point out the positive effect of the Mother Teresa myth: "If the extraordinary image of Mother Teresa conveyed in the collective imagination has encouraged humanitarian initiatives that are genuinely engaged with those crushed by poverty, we can only rejoice. It is likely that she has inspired many humanitarian workers whose actions have truly relieved the suffering of the destitute and addressed the causes of poverty and isolation without being extolled by the media. Nevertheless, the media coverage of Mother Theresa could have been a little more rigorous."

About the study
The study was conducted by Serge Lariv"e, Department of psychoeducation, University of Montreal, Carole S"n"chal, Faculty of Education, University of Ottawa, and Genevi"ve Ch"nard, Department of psychoeducation, University of Montreal.

The printed version, available only in French, will be published in March 2013 in issue 42 of Studies in Religion / Sciences religieuses. This study received no specific funding
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3/7/2013 8:39:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 7:21:46 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
She's a glorified witch.

Why do you think so? You may be using hyperbolic language, but I don't think she was incredibly evil (in the sense that it wasn't her goal to be evil), she was merely driven by her religion to do objectively immoral things such as hoarding donations so that the sick could endure suffering.
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3/7/2013 10:01:42 PM
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Guys, PCP won, lets move on...
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3/7/2013 10:11:22 PM
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Whenever I think of Mother Teresa, I think of cinnamon rolls.

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3/7/2013 10:17:01 PM
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At 3/7/2013 10:11:22 PM, philochristos wrote:
Whenever I think of Mother Teresa, I think of cinnamon rolls.

http://news.bbc.co.uk...

This and that Saint Nick "heresy" meme are some of the funniest things I've seen on DDO.
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3/7/2013 10:45:42 PM
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At 3/7/2013 10:01:42 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Guys, PCP won, lets move on...

He didn't say anything; he merely linked to a webpage. What did you find persuasive in his link that was so persuasive and peremptory, in fact, to rule out any possibility of further discussion?
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3/7/2013 10:51:23 PM
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At 3/7/2013 10:45:42 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 3/7/2013 10:01:42 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Guys, PCP won, lets move on...

He didn't say anything; he merely linked to a webpage. What did you find persuasive in his link that was so persuasive and peremptory, in fact, to rule out any possibility of further discussion?

All those unsupported assertions that said "nuh-uh no she isn't", obviously.
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3/8/2013 6:15:55 AM
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People who do nothing always want to diminish the people who actually do something.

I think it makes them feel better about themselves because they can pretend that they are doing something.

But the question Ihave is this, does this do nothing thread make you feel better about yourself?
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3/8/2013 3:38:47 PM
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At 3/8/2013 6:15:55 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
People who do nothing always want to diminish the people who actually do something.

I think it makes them feel better about themselves because they can pretend that they are doing something.

But the question Ihave is this, does this do nothing thread make you feel better about yourself?

You have to prove your first premise first. Making a universal claim incurs substantial risk in inductive logic.
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3/8/2013 5:49:12 PM
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I read with interest the confirmed "miracle" which was attributed to the intervention of Mother Teresa. It runs about like this:

1. An Indian woman named Monica Besra had a tubercular cyst for which she was medically treated for about a year.

2. Supposedly she put on a locket containing Mother Teresa's picture and claimed that a beam of light emanated from the picture, curing the cancerous tumor. As far as I can tell, no one else witnessed this mysterious light.

3. Time Magazine in Oct, 2002, quoted Mrs. Besra's husband as saying, "My wife was cured by the doctors and not by any miracle."

4. The New York Times on October 20, 2002, quoted her Mrs. Besra's doctor, Ranjan Mustafi, as saying, ""It was not a miracle" and "She took medicines for nine months to one year."

5. One "Sister Betta" of ... guess what? ... the Missionaries of Charity is holding her medical records which, of course, are only available for perusal to the Catholic Church. They are not available for public criticism. The Roman Catholic Church will evaluate them and, after weighing the political climate, let us know.

6. Also according to Time Magazine, certain Balurghat Hospital officials (where Besra sought medical treatment) have stated that they are being pressured or blackmailed by ... guess who? ... the Missionaries of Charity to declare the cure a miracle.

I Corinthians 13: 8-13, "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

We have the confirmed complete word of God. Miracles were necessary while men knew "in part." The fact that the Catholic Church must rely upon such dubious, far-fetched notions as lights from lockets curing cancer is further evidence that miracles have ceased. The inexplicable may not have ceased - but miracles from God have. Pffffft @ the fake Roman Catholic "canonization" process. It's a con.
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3/8/2013 6:44:13 PM
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I'm not particularly well-informed about Mother Teresa, but as I understand it, she was pretty dogmatic on divorce, denying it's legitimacy or rationale even in cases of spousal abuse.

"It is true that many families have experienced much suffering because of violence, alcoholism and, abuses which have often led to a breakdown in the relationship.
If the family prays together, they will stay together. And if they stay together, they will love each other as God loves each one of them."


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This strikes me as incredibly naive at best. In cases of rape or beatings, it's just insane to think the victim is best to stay in such a relationship, particularly if their partner shows no remorse or indication of changing their ways.
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3/8/2013 8:25:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/8/2013 3:38:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 3/8/2013 6:15:55 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
People who do nothing always want to diminish the people who actually do something.

I think it makes them feel better about themselves because they can pretend that they are doing something.

But the question Ihave is this, does this do nothing thread make you feel better about yourself?

You have to prove your first premise first. Making a universal claim incurs substantial risk in inductive logic.

Stupid reply, you are still doing nothing.
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3/10/2013 9:27:28 AM
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At 3/8/2013 3:38:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 3/8/2013 6:15:55 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
People who do nothing always want to diminish the people who actually do something.

I think it makes them feel better about themselves because they can pretend that they are doing something.

But the question Ihave is this, does this do nothing thread make you feel better about yourself?

You have to prove your first premise first. Making a universal claim incurs substantial risk in inductive logic.

Exactly, Mr Wallstreet.
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3/10/2013 3:21:30 PM
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At 3/7/2013 7:20:54 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
A new study finds Mother Teresa to be a fraud. Christopher Hitchens demonstrated this in his book The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice almost twenty years earlier. Here's an article he wrote about her: [http://www.slate.com...] and here's the most recent study: [http://sir.sagepub.com...].

Reporting: [http://www.nouvelles.umontreal.ca...], [http://www.policymic.com...], [http://www.thestar.com...], [http://www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Why do people still peddle this muck? It reminds me of how creationist arguments can be refuted over and over again and they'll keep rehashing it.
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