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3/13/2013 3:07:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"The complaint filed in a court in the Argentine capital on Friday accused Bergoglio, the archbishop of Buenos Aires, of involvement in the abduction of two Jesuit priests by the military dictatorship."

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3/13/2013 3:19:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
No, he's literally a Jesuit. He was head of the Jesuit Order in the '70s and involved with kidnapping and torture.
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3/13/2013 3:20:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think Geo tries too hard to be incendiary to actually believe half the things he says.
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3/13/2013 3:25:44 PM
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"On 15 April 2005, a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against Bergoglio, as superior in the Society of Jesus of Argentina, accusing him of involvement in the kidnapping by the Navy in May 1976 (during the military dictatorship) of two Jesuit priests. The priests, Orlando Yorio and Francisco Jalics, were found alive five months later, drugged and semi-nude. Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work.[18] Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery."

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3/13/2013 3:32:07 PM
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Weren't the Jesuits generallly the enforcement arm of the Inquisitions? I don't know - seems like a remember reading that. Just asking.
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3/13/2013 3:44:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/13/2013 3:32:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
Weren't the Jesuits generallly the enforcement arm of the Inquisitions? I don't know - seems like a remember reading that. Just asking.

I thought the Jesuits were formed in reaction to the protestant reformation, and their purpose was to provide an intellectual response.
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3/13/2013 4:00:17 PM
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"The purported Secret Instructions of the Jesuits are the methods to be adopted by the Jesuits for the acquisition of greater power and influence for the Society and for the Roman Catholic Church."

"Jesuits have been accused of using casuistry to obtain justifications for unjustifiable actions. (cf. formulary controversy and Lettres Provinciales, by Blaise Pascal).[48] Hence, the Concise Oxford Dictionary of the English language, records "equivocating" as a secondary denotation of the word "Jesuit"

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3/13/2013 4:08:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
first off...
who doesn't like Jesuits? o.O

secondly..
I'm confused is the pope a Jesuit kidnapper? Or a kidnapper of Jesuits?
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3/13/2013 4:43:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/13/2013 4:08:26 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
first off...
who doesn't like Jesuits? o.O:
I don't.

secondly..
I'm confused is the pope a Jesuit kidnapper? Or a kidnapper of Jesuits?:
I think this guy supposedly kidnaps Jesuits.
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3/13/2013 4:58:33 PM
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At 3/13/2013 4:43:22 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:08:26 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
first off...
who doesn't like Jesuits? o.O:
I don't.

secondly..
I'm confused is the pope a Jesuit kidnapper? Or a kidnapper of Jesuits?:
I think this guy supposedly kidnaps Jesuits.

I guess you like the new pope then?
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3/13/2013 4:58:43 PM
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"Bergoglio is the first Jesuit priest chosen to be pope."

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3/13/2013 4:59:20 PM
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At 3/13/2013 4:58:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Bergoglio is the first Jesuit priest chosen to be pope."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

So......?
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3/13/2013 5:00:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/13/2013 4:58:33 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:43:22 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:08:26 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
first off...
who doesn't like Jesuits? o.O:
I don't.

secondly..
I'm confused is the pope a Jesuit kidnapper? Or a kidnapper of Jesuits?:
I think this guy supposedly kidnaps Jesuits.

I guess you like the new pope then?:

No, I dont. He is a Jesuit priest.
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3/13/2013 5:05:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
so geo...

the article you gave said that a lawyer accused the pope of such a thing...

Do you know what evidence there was?
What the lawyer's argument was?
Was there a trial?

In naming this:
LA Times: New Pope is a Jesuit Kidnapper

You're already misrepresenting what the LA Times said...

but is that b/c you know there's some actual legit argument.. or Greater evidence than just an accusation by someone who wasn't involved first hand?

Where is this evidence that's so convinced you that in your haste to reveal this fact you've accidentally lied about what the LA Times said?
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3/13/2013 5:11:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/13/2013 4:59:20 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:58:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Bergoglio is the first Jesuit priest chosen to be pope."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

So......?

1. Everyone in this thread denied he's a Jesuit.

2. Jesuits are a diabolical, militant order that control the Vatican. The Jesuits are one of the most powerful branches of the Illuminati order.
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3/13/2013 5:22:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/13/2013 5:11:18 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

1. Everyone in this thread denied he's a Jesuit.

I denied no such thing. I'm just saying that your threads are thinly veiled attempts for attention and/or sensationalism. And I can't help but grimace in shock when people actually give you attention and ask you questions as if they're meeting you for the first time (*cough*drafterman*cough*).

In the event that you honestly hold the beliefs you've intermittently splurged in this forum over the past two years, then please, sir, never become a lawyer or a detective. You have the deductive powers of a half-eaten bagel.
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3/13/2013 5:55:51 PM
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At 3/13/2013 5:11:18 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

2. Jesuits are a diabolical, militant order that control the Vatican. The Jesuits are one of the most powerful branches of the Illuminati order.

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously anymore.
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3/13/2013 9:23:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Not that this is at all related, but I want to mention it, and don't think it merits it's own thread, so here goes:

I keep hearing on TV how this is the first latino or hispanic pope...

and well... No...
Like many argentinians, despite being from south america Jorge Mario Bergoglio is not hispanic or latino.... He lives (perhaps was raised.. I dunno) in Argentina, but his parents are Full Italian.

(granted this is Given that we're taking the terms "hispanic" and "latino" as referring to our common American meaning.. that of race/ethnicity)
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3/13/2013 9:55:29 PM
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At 3/13/2013 5:11:18 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:59:20 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:58:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Bergoglio is the first Jesuit priest chosen to be pope."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

So......?

1. Everyone in this thread denied he's a Jesuit.

2. Jesuits are a diabolical, militant order that control the Vatican.

No way, the Freemason's control the Vatican, most Jesuits don't even know where the Vatican is.

The Jesuits are one of the most powerful branches of the Illuminati order.

Oh pulease, we don't even give them a vote, it's no more than an honorary affiliation at best.
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3/14/2013 1:34:44 PM
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At 3/13/2013 3:32:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
Weren't the Jesuits generallly the enforcement arm of the Inquisitions? I don't know - seems like a remember reading that. Just asking.

The Spanish inquisition was in 1492.
The Papal bull that formalised the creation of the Society of Jesus was around 1540.
In 1545, Francis Xavier (one of the original companions of Loyola), wrote a letter to John III of Portugal, requesting an Inquisition to be installed in Goa.
So it doesn't seem that they played a main role, if any at all.
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3/14/2013 1:38:47 PM
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At 3/13/2013 5:11:18 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:59:20 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:58:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Bergoglio is the first Jesuit priest chosen to be pope."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

So......?

1. Everyone in this thread denied he's a Jesuit.

Actually, no one said that.
You just can't conceive the fact that not everyone believes that all Jesuits are kidnappers. So if some one says that the pope might not be a kidnapper, you automatically assume that they're saying the pope isn't Jesuit.
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3/14/2013 1:40:34 PM
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At 3/13/2013 5:11:18 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:59:20 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 3/13/2013 4:58:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Bergoglio is the first Jesuit priest chosen to be pope."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

So......?

1. Everyone in this thread denied he's a Jesuit.::
He is a Jesuit and you showed that but.....

2. Jesuits are a diabolical, militant order that control the Vatican. The Jesuits are one of the most powerful branches of the Illuminati order.:
....show this!
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3/14/2013 1:42:51 PM
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At 3/13/2013 5:55:51 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/13/2013 5:11:18 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

2. Jesuits are a diabolical, militant order that control the Vatican. The Jesuits are one of the most powerful branches of the Illuminati order.

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously anymore.

Na. He's always known that it's because we're under illuminatai influence.
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3/14/2013 2:17:36 PM
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At 3/13/2013 3:32:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
Weren't the Jesuits generallly the enforcement arm of the Inquisitions? I don't know - seems like a remember reading that. Just asking.

No
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3/14/2013 2:21:11 PM
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At 3/13/2013 4:00:17 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"The purported Secret Instructions of the Jesuits are the methods to be adopted by the Jesuits for the acquisition of greater power and influence for the Society and for the Roman Catholic Church."

"Jesuits have been accused of using casuistry to obtain justifications for unjustifiable actions. (cf. formulary controversy and Lettres Provinciales, by Blaise Pascal).[48] Hence, the Concise Oxford Dictionary of the English language, records "equivocating" as a secondary denotation of the word "Jesuit"

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That didn't take long. Purported....ie made up. The man has three PhDs, one each in Chemistry, Theology and Philosophy. He holds a Masters in Psychology and has been opposed to the government in Argentina. Jesuits are among the most highly educated and well respected individuals in any religion, and they have conspiracy theorist all a twitter.