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newnature
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3/14/2013 3:09:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The great secret that was revealed to Paul is a gift of grace, a free gift. In God"s sight our sin debt has been settled, we stand in righteousness before him right now. He sees us seated with Christ in heaven, we are right now the praise of the glory of his grace throughout eternity. It follows logically that this secret must not be read into the four Gospels or into the book of Revelation.

Paul"s insistence upon the reality of our union with Christ, as having died and risen again in him. The Apostle unfolds to us, we died with Christ, our standing being complete and perfect in Christ, we cannot grow in this standing. We may grow in the knowledge, experience, and enjoyment of it, our life is the outcome of our belief.

If we are ignorant of this free gift, we are easy prey for every minister of righteousness who may rise up. Nothing more is needed to be added, their is not a ordinance on the face of the earth that can make us complete. We don"t need to pass a satisfactory examination, or take another class, we stand in righteousness before God right now.

Thanks for any insight.
logicrules
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3/14/2013 3:37:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/14/2013 3:09:13 PM, newnature wrote:
The great secret that was revealed to Paul is a gift of grace, a free gift. In God"s sight our sin debt has been settled, we stand in righteousness before him right now. He sees us seated with Christ in heaven, we are right now the praise of the glory of his grace throughout eternity. It follows logically that this secret must not be read into the four Gospels or into the book of Revelation.

Paul"s insistence upon the reality of our union with Christ, as having died and risen again in him. The Apostle unfolds to us, we died with Christ, our standing being complete and perfect in Christ, we cannot grow in this standing. We may grow in the knowledge, experience, and enjoyment of it, our life is the outcome of our belief.

If we are ignorant of this free gift, we are easy prey for every minister of righteousness who may rise up. Nothing more is needed to be added, their is not a ordinance on the face of the earth that can make us complete. We don"t need to pass a satisfactory examination, or take another class, we stand in righteousness before God right now.

Thanks for any insight.

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3/14/2013 4:26:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/14/2013 3:09:13 PM, newnature wrote:
It follows logically that this secret must not be read into the four Gospels or into the book of Revelation.


I got halted right here. Must not be read?
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3/22/2013 11:18:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/14/2013 3:09:13 PM, newnature wrote:
The great secret that was revealed to Paul is a gift of grace, a free gift. In God"s sight our sin debt has been settled, we stand in righteousness before him right now. He sees us seated with Christ in heaven, we are right now the praise of the glory of his grace throughout eternity. It follows logically that this secret must not be read into the four Gospels or into the book of Revelation.

Paul"s insistence upon the reality of our union with Christ, as having died and risen again in him. The Apostle unfolds to us, we died with Christ, our standing being complete and perfect in Christ, we cannot grow in this standing. We may grow in the knowledge, experience, and enjoyment of it, our life is the outcome of our belief.

If we are ignorant of this free gift, we are easy prey for every minister of righteousness who may rise up. Nothing more is needed to be added, their is not a ordinance on the face of the earth that can make us complete. We don"t need to pass a satisfactory examination, or take another class, we stand in righteousness before God right now.

Thanks for any insight.

Yet, it was god"s sin to begin with so"..
While an otherwise educated intelligent person may still believe in the bible, that person would have no educated or intellectual reason to do so.
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3/22/2013 6:22:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/14/2013 3:09:13 PM, newnature wrote:
The great secret that was revealed to Paul is a gift of grace, a free gift. In God"s sight our sin debt has been settled, we stand in righteousness before him right now.

Are you a universalist? I'm just wondering who you mean by "we."
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

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3/23/2013 12:49:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/14/2013 3:09:13 PM, newnature wrote:
The great secret that was revealed to Paul is a gift of grace, a free gift. In God"s sight our sin debt has been settled, we stand in righteousness before him right now. He sees us seated with Christ in heaven, we are right now the praise of the glory of his grace throughout eternity.

THE BLOOD OF (bible STORY BOOK) CHRIST (R. Roberts) (Italic Parenthesis Composer's) -

There is no operation of Divine wisdom that has been so completely misapprehended and misrepresented as the shedding of the blood of Christ. Popular preaching brings it down to a level with the sacrifices of idolatrous superstition, by which wrathful deities are supposed to be placated by the blood of a substitutionary victim. Christ is represented as having paid our debts"as having died instead of us"as having stood in our room like a substitute in military service, or like a man rushing to the scaffold where a criminal is about to be executed, and offering to die instead of him (a favourite illustration in the evangelical pulpit).

Such views are contradicted by even the most superficial facts of the case; for if Christ died instead of us, then we ought not to die (which we do); and if he paid the penalty naturally due from us"death"he ought not to have risen (which he did). And if his death was of the character alleged, the redeeming power lay in itself and not in the resurrection that followed; whereas Paul declares to the Corinthians that, notwithstanding the death of Christ, "if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain: ye are yet in your sins" (1- Corinthians 15:17).

Further, if Christ has paid our debts, our debts are not "forgiven," for it would be out of place for a creditor to talk of having forgiven a debt which someone else has paid for the debtor; and thus is blotted out the very first feature of the gospel of the grace of God"the forgiveness of our sins "through the forbearance of God" (Romans 3:25 ).
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3/23/2013 1:12:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/23/2013 12:49:54 AM, Composer wrote:
At 3/14/2013 3:09:13 PM, newnature wrote:
The great secret that was revealed to Paul is a gift of grace, a free gift. In God"s sight our sin debt has been settled, we stand in righteousness before him right now. He sees us seated with Christ in heaven, we are right now the praise of the glory of his grace throughout eternity.

THE BLOOD OF (bible STORY BOOK) CHRIST (R. Roberts) (Italic Parenthesis Composer's) -

This looks like a fun game.

--> The Imitation of Story Book Bible Christ by Thomas a Kempis
--> Summa Preferred Story Book Theologiae by St. Thomas Aquinas
--> Mere Dimwit Christianity by CS Lewis
--> Brain-Washed Cult Confessions by St. Augustine
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.