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3/16/2013 10:41:20 AM
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At 3/16/2013 10:38:00 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
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3/16/2013 12:09:10 PM
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At 3/16/2013 10:29:30 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


What differentiates religion, calculating theories and superstition?
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3/16/2013 12:41:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:09:10 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/16/2013 10:29:30 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


What differentiates religion, calculating theories and superstition?
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"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't. There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.
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3/16/2013 2:53:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't.

So, in other words, religion may be true, and superstition may be false?

There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.

So, Christianity has gotten to the point of being most likely not true around DDO?
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/16/2013 4:32:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 2:53:33 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't.

So, in other words, religion may be true, and superstition may be false?
No. I'm saying superstition is blatantly false. Obviously a black cat crossing the road won't give you bad luck. It can be argued for, but I don't think any of us agree it is more probable than religion.

There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.

So, Christianity has gotten to the point of being most likely not true around DDO?
No, I'm talking about people my age in my hometown. On DDO, religion is not like superstition in any way.
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3/16/2013 4:42:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 4:32:35 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:53:33 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't.

So, in other words, religion may be true, and superstition may be false?
No. I'm saying superstition is blatantly false. Obviously a black cat crossing the road won't give you bad luck. It can be argued for, but I don't think any of us agree it is more probable than religion.

Depends on the religion. I think that situation is more likely to happen, then the one in Scientology. And personally, I think it's more likely then Christianity aswell.


There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.

So, Christianity has gotten to the point of being most likely not true around DDO?
No, I'm talking about people my age in my hometown. On DDO, religion is not like superstition in any way.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/16/2013 5:05:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 2:30:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Plutarch.

To elaborate, I like Plutarch's distinction between religion and superstition. It's BRILLIANT. I think it hits the nail on the head quite nicely.

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3/16/2013 5:17:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 4:42:30 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:32:35 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:53:33 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't.

So, in other words, religion may be true, and superstition may be false?
No. I'm saying superstition is blatantly false. Obviously a black cat crossing the road won't give you bad luck. It can be argued for, but I don't think any of us agree it is more probable than religion.

Depends on the religion. I think that situation is more likely to happen, then the one in Scientology. And personally, I think it's more likely then Christianity aswell.
I agree, it depends. But I'd rather bet on Islam/Christianity being true than something that brings bad luck.


There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.

So, Christianity has gotten to the point of being most likely not true around DDO?
No, I'm talking about people my age in my hometown. On DDO, religion is not like superstition in any way.
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3/16/2013 5:25:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 5:17:38 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:42:30 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:32:35 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:53:33 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't.

So, in other words, religion may be true, and superstition may be false?
No. I'm saying superstition is blatantly false. Obviously a black cat crossing the road won't give you bad luck. It can be argued for, but I don't think any of us agree it is more probable than religion.

Depends on the religion. I think that situation is more likely to happen, then the one in Scientology. And personally, I think it's more likely then Christianity aswell.
I agree, it depends. But I'd rather bet on Islam/Christianity being true than something that brings bad luck.

Why?



There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.

So, Christianity has gotten to the point of being most likely not true around DDO?
No, I'm talking about people my age in my hometown. On DDO, religion is not like superstition in any way.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/16/2013 5:27:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 10:29:30 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


What differentiates religion and superstition?

The number of people that take it seriously.
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3/16/2013 7:06:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 5:25:48 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 5:17:38 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:42:30 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:32:35 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:53:33 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't.

So, in other words, religion may be true, and superstition may be false?
No. I'm saying superstition is blatantly false. Obviously a black cat crossing the road won't give you bad luck. It can be argued for, but I don't think any of us agree it is more probable than religion.

Depends on the religion. I think that situation is more likely to happen, then the one in Scientology. And personally, I think it's more likely then Christianity aswell.
I agree, it depends. But I'd rather bet on Islam/Christianity being true than something that brings bad luck.

Why?

...Because I find the arguments for the existence of God more challenging than the arguments for the bad-luck giving cat...


There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.

So, Christianity has gotten to the point of being most likely not true around DDO?
No, I'm talking about people my age in my hometown. On DDO, religion is not like superstition in any way.
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3/16/2013 7:08:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 7:06:07 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 5:25:48 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 5:17:38 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:42:30 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:32:35 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:53:33 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't.

So, in other words, religion may be true, and superstition may be false?
No. I'm saying superstition is blatantly false. Obviously a black cat crossing the road won't give you bad luck. It can be argued for, but I don't think any of us agree it is more probable than religion.

Depends on the religion. I think that situation is more likely to happen, then the one in Scientology. And personally, I think it's more likely then Christianity aswell.
I agree, it depends. But I'd rather bet on Islam/Christianity being true than something that brings bad luck.

Why?

...Because I find the arguments for the existence of God more challenging than the arguments for the bad-luck giving cat...

So you believe something is more likely if the arguments for it are harder to disprove, then they are for something else?



There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.

So, Christianity has gotten to the point of being most likely not true around DDO?
No, I'm talking about people my age in my hometown. On DDO, religion is not like superstition in any way.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/16/2013 7:15:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 7:08:25 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 7:06:07 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 5:25:48 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 5:17:38 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:42:30 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:32:35 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:53:33 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't.

So, in other words, religion may be true, and superstition may be false?
No. I'm saying superstition is blatantly false. Obviously a black cat crossing the road won't give you bad luck. It can be argued for, but I don't think any of us agree it is more probable than religion.

Depends on the religion. I think that situation is more likely to happen, then the one in Scientology. And personally, I think it's more likely then Christianity aswell.
I agree, it depends. But I'd rather bet on Islam/Christianity being true than something that brings bad luck.

Why?

...Because I find the arguments for the existence of God more challenging than the arguments for the bad-luck giving cat...

So you believe something is more likely if the arguments for it are harder to disprove, then they are for something else?
They seem more likely to me, I obviously cannot calculate the chances.
And it's not a matter of whether or not it is harder to disprove, but whether it can be disproved. I'm still unsure about some arguments for God, yet I heard of none that prove bad-luck giving cats.



There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.

So, Christianity has gotten to the point of being most likely not true around DDO?
No, I'm talking about people my age in my hometown. On DDO, religion is not like superstition in any way.
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3/16/2013 7:19:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 7:15:36 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 7:08:25 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 7:06:07 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 5:25:48 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 5:17:38 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:42:30 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 4:32:35 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:53:33 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/16/2013 2:40:49 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
Well, some kind of religion may be true, superstition most likely isn't.

So, in other words, religion may be true, and superstition may be false?
No. I'm saying superstition is blatantly false. Obviously a black cat crossing the road won't give you bad luck. It can be argued for, but I don't think any of us agree it is more probable than religion.

Depends on the religion. I think that situation is more likely to happen, then the one in Scientology. And personally, I think it's more likely then Christianity aswell.
I agree, it depends. But I'd rather bet on Islam/Christianity being true than something that brings bad luck.

Why?

...Because I find the arguments for the existence of God more challenging than the arguments for the bad-luck giving cat...

So you believe something is more likely if the arguments for it are harder to disprove, then they are for something else?
They seem more likely to me, I obviously cannot calculate the chances.
And it's not a matter of whether or not it is harder to disprove, but whether it can be disproved. I'm still unsure about some arguments for God, yet I heard of none that prove bad-luck giving cats.

Fair enough.




There's a lot of superstitious people around here, and I hate it. Christianity here has gotten the form of superstition too, which sucks as well. It's horrible.

So, Christianity has gotten to the point of being most likely not true around DDO?
No, I'm talking about people my age in my hometown. On DDO, religion is not like superstition in any way.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/16/2013 8:56:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 5:05:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
I like Plutarch's distinction between religion and superstition. It's BRILLIANT. I think it hits the nail on the head quite nicely. http://thriceholy.net...

Do you think prayer is superstitious?
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3/16/2013 9:31:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 10:29:30 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:

What differentiates religion and superstition?

I know the answer but it would be bad luck to tell you.
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3/16/2013 9:38:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 8:56:05 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 3/16/2013 5:05:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
I like Plutarch's distinction between religion and superstition. It's BRILLIANT. I think it hits the nail on the head quite nicely. http://thriceholy.net...

Do you think prayer is superstitious?

Not in general, but I think specific instances of it can be (if we follow Plutarch's distinction).
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3/24/2013 9:25:57 AM
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Superstition is a superposition of religion.

Maybe not, I just had to use those two words together.

Religion tends to be ideas about life, where as superstition can just be cause and effect.
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