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3/24/2013 12:39:37 PM
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All of you theists say homosexuality is immoral. Ok wise guys than why did you almighty god create them in the first place?
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3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM
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Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.
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3/24/2013 12:44:40 PM
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At 3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.

ok but that doesn't answer my question
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3/24/2013 12:58:18 PM
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At 3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.

Which theists say otherwise (I.E. the 1st way)?
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3/24/2013 1:18:05 PM
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At 3/24/2013 12:58:18 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.

Which theists say otherwise (I.E. the 1st way)?

There's some out there. I've met some that are just disgusted with homosexuality full stop. I daresay WBC is part of this group.
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3/24/2013 1:19:49 PM
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At 3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.

How is homosexuality a thing without taking the form of an action? Isn't being attracted to the same gender an act?
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3/24/2013 1:22:22 PM
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At 3/24/2013 1:19:49 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.

How is homosexuality a thing without taking the form of an action? Isn't being attracted to the same gender an act?

No.
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3/24/2013 1:24:17 PM
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At 3/24/2013 1:22:22 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 3/24/2013 1:19:49 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.

How is homosexuality a thing without taking the form of an action? Isn't being attracted to the same gender an act?

No.

Okay, I'm not going to argue against that because I'd be arguing a strawman, because you don't think that's an act and that's all that matters.
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3/24/2013 1:30:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/2013 1:19:49 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.

How is homosexuality a thing without taking the form of an action? Isn't being attracted to the same gender an act?

Desires aren't volitional acts. (Generally speaking.)
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3/24/2013 1:43:59 PM
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I am going to move this to a different topic if that's okay. so one of the seven deadly sins is wrath. I have heard "you will face the wrath of god" before. so does god have an eternal get out of jail free card
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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3/24/2013 1:44:50 PM
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At 3/24/2013 1:43:59 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
I am going to move this to a different topic if that's okay.
Do answer my question above Ma'am.
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3/24/2013 1:45:26 PM
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At 3/24/2013 1:41:33 PM, Mirza wrote:
Why would you consider the state (not act) of homosexuality bad?

I don't I am very well for gay rights
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM
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At 3/24/2013 12:39:37 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
All of you theists say homosexuality is immoral. Ok wise guys than why did you almighty god create them in the first place?

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?
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3/24/2013 3:11:26 PM
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At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:39:37 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
All of you theists say homosexuality is immoral. Ok wise guys than why did you almighty god create them in the first place?

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?

A word that is forever shrouded in mystery and mysticism for any religious person: science.
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3/24/2013 3:18:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/033:11:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:39:37 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
All of you theists say homosexuality is immoral. Ok wise guys than why did you almighty god create them in the first place?

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?

A word that is forever shrouded in mystery and mysticism for any religious person: science.

Response: A word that is used as an appeal to authority by all non-religious, instead of used as actual proof, which is why it was just simply stated, but not expounded: science. Thanks for the clarification.
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3/24/2013 3:24:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/2013 1:19:49 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.

How is homosexuality a thing without taking the form of an action? Isn't being attracted to the same gender an act?

I think the idea here is that we all have the drive to sin (we're sinners by nature), and the point is to move away from our sinful urges towards christhood (Christ is the standard). So it's okay that you want to have sex with men, steal, lie, etc. so long as you resist these urges and remain pious. In fact that's the point, to overcome our desires so we can re-connect with God.

But I may be completely wrong on that. Who knows?
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3/24/2013 3:27:16 PM
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At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?

False dichotomy. Whether or not you were "born" with a preference has little to do with choice. I dare you to eat the food that disgusts you most and choose to like it.
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3/24/2013 3:28:42 PM
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At 3/24/2013 3:18:58 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/033:11:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:39:37 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
All of you theists say homosexuality is immoral. Ok wise guys than why did you almighty god create them in the first place?

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?

A word that is forever shrouded in mystery and mysticism for any religious person: science.

Response: A word that is used as an appeal to authority by all non-religious, instead of used as actual proof, which is why it was just simply stated, but not expounded: science. Thanks for the clarification.

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3/24/2013 3:29:42 PM
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At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:39:37 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
All of you theists say homosexuality is immoral. Ok wise guys than why did you almighty god create them in the first place?

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?

lol, this guy
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3/24/2013 3:30:03 PM
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At 3/24/2013 1:19:49 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:42:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Actually most theists don't say say homosexuality is immoral. They say homosexual acts are immoral.

How is homosexuality a thing without taking the form of an action? Isn't being attracted to the same gender an act?

Depends on the person. Some compulsion are not the fault of the person who has them. I guess you could consider it a sin with those you fantasize about sinning.
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3/24/2013 3:34:49 PM
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At 3/24/2013 3:27:16 PM, tulle wrote:
At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?

False dichotomy. Whether or not you were "born" with a preference has little to do with choice. I dare you to eat the food that disgusts you most and choose to like it.

Response: Failed rebuttal, since it was never stated that preference prevents the ability to choose. Nor does it answer the question. I dare you to actually answer it.
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3/24/2013 3:38:11 PM
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At 3/24/2013 3:34:49 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2013 3:27:16 PM, tulle wrote:
At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?

False dichotomy. Whether or not you were "born" with a preference has little to do with choice. I dare you to eat the food that disgusts you most and choose to like it.

Response: Failed rebuttal, since it was never stated that preference prevents the ability to choose. Nor does it answer the question. I dare you to actually answer it.

Then you fail to understand what a false dichomoty is. Proof of homosexuals being made is irrelevant because it doesn't make it any more or less of a choice.
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3/24/2013 3:39:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:
Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?
There is too much evidence on the matter. http://www.foxnews.com...
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3/24/2013 3:43:27 PM
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At 3/24/2013 3:38:11 PM, tulle wrote:


Then you fail to understand what a false dichomoty is. Proof of homosexuals being made is irrelevant because it doesn't make it any more or less of a choice.

Response: Rather, you fail to grasp the failure in your rebuttal. The word "choice" and "made" are not synonymous, so one does not align with the other.
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3/24/2013 3:53:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/2013 3:43:27 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2013 3:38:11 PM, tulle wrote:


Then you fail to understand what a false dichomoty is. Proof of homosexuals being made is irrelevant because it doesn't make it any more or less of a choice.

Response: Rather, you fail to grasp the failure in your rebuttal. The word "choice" and "made" are not synonymous, so one does not align with the other.

You responded to someone, asking for proof homosexuals were made rather than it being a choice. The two are not mutually exclusive, nor are they jointly exhaustive. Even if they were not made does not exclude the possibility of it not being a choice.

Example: When I was a child, I loved peanut butter. Ate it straight out of the jar. You may or may not say I was born liking it. But now I hate it. The tastes of peanuts makes me want to gag. I didn't one day CHOOSE to start hating peanut butter. Whether or not I was born hating it is irrelevant. I just do. There was no choice involved.
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3/24/2013 4:02:05 PM
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At 3/24/2013 3:53:49 PM, tulle wrote:

You responded to someone, asking for proof homosexuals were made rather than it being a choice. The two are not mutually exclusive, nor are they jointly exhaustive. Even if they were not made does not exclude the possibility of it not being a choice.

Example: When I was a child, I loved peanut butter. Ate it straight out of the jar. You may or may not say I was born liking it. But now I hate it. The tastes of peanuts makes me want to gag. I didn't one day CHOOSE to start hating peanut butter. Whether or not I was born hating it is irrelevant. I just do. There was no choice involved.

Response: No one argued against that, thus your point has no relevance. That's the point. I simply asked a question, and you assumed the question implied more than being questioned, hence the failure of your rebuttal. And once again, it still doesn't answer the question.
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3/24/2013 4:09:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:39:37 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
All of you theists say homosexuality is immoral. Ok wise guys than why did you almighty god create them in the first place?

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice

Walk me through what you just said. Because you did not say "what proof do you have homosexuals are made?" You added "and not a choice" which implies mutual exclusivity.
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3/24/2013 4:11:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/2013 3:07:50 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/24/2013 12:39:37 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
All of you theists say homosexuality is immoral. Ok wise guys than why did you almighty god create them in the first place?

Response: What proof do you have that homosexuals are made and not a choice?

Could you ever choose to be homosexual? What of someone who regards his sexual desires as deviant?
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3/24/2013 4:16:30 PM
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At 3/24/2013 4:09:49 PM, tulle wrote:


Walk me through what you just said. Because you did not say "what proof do you have homosexuals are made?" You added "and not a choice" which implies mutual exclusivity.

Response: To the contrary, being that I am clearing asking a question, that means that it was implied by someone else, and I am questioning them.