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3/29/2013 10:14:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I will leave it up to the scriptures! We read here the importance of scriptures. We will see that Jesus himself refered to scriptures and He already knew them. He did this for importance of scriptures and our need to read them and believe them.
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."(Matthew 4:4)
"Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures."(Matthew 21:42)
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?"( Mark 12:24 )
"I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled."(Mark 14:49)
"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."(Luke 24:27)
"And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"(Luke 24:32)
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"(Luke 24:45)
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."(John 5:39)
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures."(Acts 17:2)
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."(Acts 17:11)
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."(Romans 15:4)
"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith."(Romans 16:26)
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures."(1 Corinthians 15:3)
"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."(2 Timothy 3:15)
"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."(2 Peter 3:16)
If not just scriptures then maybe tradition give by men? I mean if it was Biblical tradition then it would be in the Bible. If it was divine revelations then what need for scriptures if God will just give certain men revelations today?
"Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders..Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"(Matthew 15:2-3)
"Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition."(Matthew 15:6)
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers."(1 Peter 1:18)
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."(2 Thessalonians 2:15)
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."(Colossians 2:8)
"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."(Mark 7:13)
"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."(Mark 7:9)
"For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."(Mark 7:8)
You can look up tradition on maybe one instance will Jesus refer to it in a good light. He most always refers to men corrupting His tradition with their own. There is no reason to think any different today therefore scripture is the only true source of truth. How many times does the Bible say, "As the scriptures say, or as the Word says?" No where does it say as the apostles said, so why would we think men today have that right?

The message!
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:29)
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."(Psalm 118:8)
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3/29/2013 10:16:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago

The message!
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:29)
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."(Psalm 118:8)

Just read the last line. You would think God would write the Bible himself instead of having men do it, if he was all about us obeying him and not God?
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3/29/2013 10:19:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/29/2013 10:14:35 PM, Pennington wrote:
I will leave it up to the scriptures! We read here the importance of scriptures. We will see that Jesus himself refered to scriptures and He already knew them. He did this for importance of scriptures and our need to read them and believe them.
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."(Matthew 4:4)
"Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures."(Matthew 21:42)
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?"( Mark 12:24 )
"I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled."(Mark 14:49)
"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."(Luke 24:27)
"And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"(Luke 24:32)
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"(Luke 24:45)
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."(John 5:39)
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures."(Acts 17:2)
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."(Acts 17:11)
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."(Romans 15:4)
"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith."(Romans 16:26)
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures."(1 Corinthians 15:3)
"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."(2 Timothy 3:15)
"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."(2 Peter 3:16)
If not just scriptures then maybe tradition give by men? I mean if it was Biblical tradition then it would be in the Bible. If it was divine revelations then what need for scriptures if God will just give certain men revelations today?
"Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders..Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"(Matthew 15:2-3)
"Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition."(Matthew 15:6)
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers."(1 Peter 1:18)
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."(2 Thessalonians 2:15)
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."(Colossians 2:8)
"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."(Mark 7:13)
"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."(Mark 7:9)
"For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."(Mark 7:8)
You can look up tradition on maybe one instance will Jesus refer to it in a good light. He most always refers to men corrupting His tradition with their own. There is no reason to think any different today therefore scripture is the only true source of truth. How many times does the Bible say, "As the scriptures say, or as the Word says?" No where does it say as the apostles said, so why would we think men today have that right?

The message!
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:29)
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."(Psalm 118:8)

I'm with you on this issue too! Some people say that Scripture Alone (Solus Christus) is not Biblical but it is. And man, you said it better than I could. Good way to back it up with Scripture! =)
"What is sin? It is the glory of God not honored. Holiness of God not reverenced. Greatness of God not admired. Power of God not praised. Truth of God not sought. Wisdom of God not esteemed. Beauty of God not treasured. Goodness of God not savored. Faithfulness of God not trusted. Commandments of God not obeyed. Justice of God not respected. Wrath of God not feared. Grace of God not cherished. Presence of God not prized. Person of God not loved. That is sin." ~John Piper
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3/29/2013 10:19:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/29/2013 10:16:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

The message!
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:29)
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."(Psalm 118:8)

Just read the last line. You would think God would write the Bible himself instead of having men do it, if he was all about us obeying him and not God?:
So, God should have lived the Bible Himself and wrote it for us?
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3/29/2013 10:22:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/29/2013 10:16:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

The message!
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:29)
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."(Psalm 118:8)

Just read the last line. You would think God would write the Bible himself instead of having men do it, if he was all about us obeying him and not God?

Foreal?... Your taking that verse ALL out of context dude.. The Bible was written inspiringly by Gods Spirit leading men to write it. They did not write it on their own velition.
"What is sin? It is the glory of God not honored. Holiness of God not reverenced. Greatness of God not admired. Power of God not praised. Truth of God not sought. Wisdom of God not esteemed. Beauty of God not treasured. Goodness of God not savored. Faithfulness of God not trusted. Commandments of God not obeyed. Justice of God not respected. Wrath of God not feared. Grace of God not cherished. Presence of God not prized. Person of God not loved. That is sin." ~John Piper
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3/30/2013 8:45:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/29/2013 10:19:12 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/29/2013 10:16:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

The message!
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:29)
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."(Psalm 118:8)

Just read the last line. You would think God would write the Bible himself instead of having men do it, if he was all about us obeying him and not God?:
So, God should have lived the Bible Himself and wrote it for us?

Yes, he should write it
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3/30/2013 9:36:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 8:45:33 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 3/29/2013 10:19:12 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/29/2013 10:16:43 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

The message!
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:29)
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."(Psalm 118:8)

Just read the last line. You would think God would write the Bible himself instead of having men do it, if he was all about us obeying him and not God?:
So, God should have lived the Bible Himself and wrote it for us?

Yes, he should write it:
That is ignorant. It is written by God but not by paper or pen.
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3/30/2013 9:45:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 4:15:56 AM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
Where's Dogknox?

Lol yea I know right ..
"What is sin? It is the glory of God not honored. Holiness of God not reverenced. Greatness of God not admired. Power of God not praised. Truth of God not sought. Wisdom of God not esteemed. Beauty of God not treasured. Goodness of God not savored. Faithfulness of God not trusted. Commandments of God not obeyed. Justice of God not respected. Wrath of God not feared. Grace of God not cherished. Presence of God not prized. Person of God not loved. That is sin." ~John Piper
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3/30/2013 10:11:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/29/2013 10:14:35 PM, Pennington wrote:
I will leave it up to the scriptures! We read here the importance of scriptures. We will see that Jesus himself refered to scriptures and He already knew them. He did this for importance of scriptures and our need to read them and believe them.

There's a pretty huge difference between what you're saying here and what 'Scriptures alone' is generally taken to mean.

'All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all; yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed, for salvation, are so clearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them.' - Westminster Confession of Heresy on Sola Scriptura

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."(Matthew 4:4)
"Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures."(Matthew 21:42)
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?"( Mark 12:24 )
"I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled."(Mark 14:49)
"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."(Luke 24:27)
"And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"(Luke 24:32)
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"(Luke 24:45)
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."(John 5:39)
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures."(Acts 17:2)
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."(Acts 17:11)
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."(Romans 15:4)
"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith."(Romans 16:26)
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures."(1 Corinthians 15:3)
"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."(2 Timothy 3:15)
"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."(2 Peter 3:16)
If not just scriptures then maybe tradition give by men?

No.

I mean if it was Biblical tradition then it would be in the Bible.

Derp.

If it was divine revelations then what need for scriptures if God will just give certain men revelations today?

wat

Public revelations have been finished for nearly 2000 years.

"Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders..Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"(Matthew 15:2-3)
"Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition."(Matthew 15:6)
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers."(1 Peter 1:18)
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."(2 Thessalonians 2:15)
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."(Colossians 2:8)
"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."(Mark 7:13)
"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."(Mark 7:9)
"For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."(Mark 7:8)
You can look up tradition on maybe one instance will Jesus refer to it in a good light. He most always refers to men corrupting His tradition with their own.

YES

There is authentic Sacred Tradition, such as the Word of God, and then there's man-made tradition, like sola scriptura.

There is no reason to think any different today therefore scripture is the only true source of truth.

Non-sequitur.

How many times does the Bible say, "As the scriptures say, or as the Word says?" No where does it say as the apostles said, so why would we think men today have that right?

???

How many times does the Bible record what the Apostles wrote and did?

The message!
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:29)
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."(Psalm 118:8)

Yup.
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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3/30/2013 10:38:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Sola.Gratia & twocupcakes & Pennington & matt.mcguire88

Clearly "Baptism SAVES"!
Church Baptizes.... You can't baptize yourself!

When the man "Martin Luther" made up his teaching of "All man needs is the scriptures to be saved", he had to reject the very scriptures he said he believed!

Example Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said.. "Listen to the CHURCH or be treated as someone outside of God body" (pagan)!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said.. "The CHURCH is the Pillar and the foundation of truth"!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said... (To CHURCH) Go and TEACH all nations with all the authority of God" (in God' name)

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said.. (To CHURCH) "Go and make DISCIPLES of all nations by BAPTIZING"!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said.. (To CHURCH) "I am with you ALWAYS to the very end of the WORLD"!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said.. (To CHURCH) "I will send you the Paraclete to be with you FOREVER!"

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Peter ADDED 3000 people to Jesus' holy Catholic body the first day of Pentecost, by "BAPTIZING!" Peter ADDED them to the CHURCH!!!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
"Philip was sent by; GOD himself to Baptize the Eunuch!! After Philip/CHURCH explained the SCRIPTURES to the Eunuch, he was CONVINCED Baptism would save him!" GOD WANTED THE EUNUCH BAPTIZED WITH WATER!!!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Peter speaking for Jesus Ordered them to Baptize the Gentiles!
Then Peter said, 47 "Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have." 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
JESUS WANTED THEM BAPTIZED WITH WATER!!! or.... Or Peter would NOT have ordered them Baptized with WATER, he was speaking for Jesus!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said.. "The CHURCH is his BODY"!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said..."He FEEDS the CHURCH>>> LIFE <<<"!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said... "He died for the CHURCH to save her"!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church, all we need is the scriptures"!
Jesus said... "He LOVES the CHURCH, his bride"!

Luther said.. "We do Not need Church"!
Jesus said.. "The CHURCH is HOLY and BLAMELESS!"
.......................
The CHURCH Jesus formed was Luther' CHURCH until Martin Luther rejected the scriptures!
The CHURCH that Jesus formed, was not Luther' CHURCH or Luther' prodigy, after Luther rejected Jesus' holy CATHOLIC Body.. "All man made churches that accept Luther' teaching, are Luther' PRODIGY!!!"

Jesus said... "From among his CHURCH 'The WAY OF TRUTH' will come HERETICS!"
Martin Luther was a Catholic Priest, he came from AMONG the Church Jesus formed! Proving the PROPHESY true! The PROPHESY CANNOT work in the reverse.. The Catholic Church did not come from Among Martin Luther! Proving Luther and his prodigy HERETICS!

2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them"bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

......................
Clearly "Baptism SAVES"! Baptism makes DISCIPLES of all nations! All DISCIPLES are Jesus' BROTHERS!

All BROTHERS of Jesus, call God FATHER they all honor Mary their MOTHER!
All DISCIPLES are in the family of God, all are reformed children of Adam, re-formed into Children of God, all washed clean by the saving waters of Baptism!

NO PLACE
No place......in the scriptures can you find the CHURCH Baptizing with the Holy SPIRIT! ONLY Jesus baptizes with the Holy SPIRIT >> ONLY God sends the Spirit!!!
The Groom sends the GIFT of the Holy Spirit!

NO PLACE
No place......in the scriptures can you find Jesus baptizing with WATER! The BRIDE baptizes with WATER, the water of Baptism washes away the sin of Adam, all sins are washed away and each is re-FORMED into the Body of Jesus by the BRIDE! ONLY...
Sola.Gratia & twocupcakes & Pennington & matt.mcguire88 only WOMAN have wombs, only they FORM the children!

TWO, TWO, TWO parents, not just one forms children!
The Catholic has TWO Parents.. Bride and Groom.. CHURCH & God!
The BRIDE and the GROOM form God' Children by the waters of Baptism and the SPIRIT sent by God!

5 Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

Born of Water AND the Spirit!!!!
AND = PLUS or ALSO not spirit alone!

All peoples ADDED to the Holy Body of Jesus by the waters of Baptism RISE from death because; All IN Jesus' holy body can't die! Jesus has been there and done that!!!
You can't kill anyone twice!!

Jesus resurrected so all "IMMERSED" into Jesus' holy Catholic Body will also RESURRECT!
1 Peter 3:21
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also"not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Sola.Gratia & twocupcakes & Pennington & matt.mcguire88 Jesus resurrected so all "IMMERSED" into Jesus' holy Catholic RESURRECTED Body will also RESURRECT/Rise to new life!
Baptism SAVES because all CHILDREN of God have an INHERITANCE, all enter heaven because they have been ADDED to Jesus' resurrected body by waters of BAPTISM!!!

Sola.Gratia & twocupcakes & Pennington & matt.mcguire88 You can't baptize yourself!

SCRIPTURES ALONE is a lie that sends protestants souls to Satan and DEATH!
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3/30/2013 10:41:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 10:38:30 AM, Dogknox wrote:
When you offer scriptures to back instead of man-made writtings or RCC views let me know.
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3/30/2013 10:43:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 10:41:09 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/30/2013 10:38:30 AM, Dogknox wrote:
When you offer scriptures to back instead of man-made writings or RCC views let me know.
Pennington ALL is scripture all proven by scriptures.. read it again!
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3/30/2013 11:18:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 10:43:21 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 3/30/2013 10:41:09 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/30/2013 10:38:30 AM, Dogknox wrote:
When you offer scriptures to back instead of man-made writings or RCC views let me know.
Pennington ALL is scripture all proven by scriptures.. read it again!

Are you sure?
"What is sin? It is the glory of God not honored. Holiness of God not reverenced. Greatness of God not admired. Power of God not praised. Truth of God not sought. Wisdom of God not esteemed. Beauty of God not treasured. Goodness of God not savored. Faithfulness of God not trusted. Commandments of God not obeyed. Justice of God not respected. Wrath of God not feared. Grace of God not cherished. Presence of God not prized. Person of God not loved. That is sin." ~John Piper
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3/30/2013 12:11:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 10:11:38 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 3/29/2013 10:14:35 PM, Pennington wrote:
I will leave it up to the scriptures! We read here the importance of scriptures. We will see that Jesus himself refered to scriptures and He already knew them. He did this for importance of scriptures and our need to read them and believe them.

There's a pretty huge difference between what you're saying here and what 'Scriptures alone' is generally taken to mean.

'All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all; yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed, for salvation, are so clearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them.' - Westminster Confession of Heresy on Sola Scriptura

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."(Matthew 4:4)
"Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures."(Matthew 21:42)
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?"( Mark 12:24 )
"I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled."(Mark 14:49)
"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."(Luke 24:27)
"And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"(Luke 24:32)
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"(Luke 24:45)
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."(John 5:39)
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures."(Acts 17:2)
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."(Acts 17:11)
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."(Romans 15:4)
"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith."(Romans 16:26)
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures."(1 Corinthians 15:3)
"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."(2 Timothy 3:15)
"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."(2 Peter 3:16)
If not just scriptures then maybe tradition give by men?

No.

I mean if it was Biblical tradition then it would be in the Bible.

Derp.

If it was divine revelations then what need for scriptures if God will just give certain men revelations today?

wat

Public revelations have been finished for nearly 2000 years.

"Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders..Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"(Matthew 15:2-3)
"Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition."(Matthew 15:6)
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers."(1 Peter 1:18)
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."(2 Thessalonians 2:15)
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."(Colossians 2:8)
"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."(Mark 7:13)
"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."(Mark 7:9)
"For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."(Mark 7:8)
You can look up tradition on maybe one instance will Jesus refer to it in a good light. He most always refers to men corrupting His tradition with their own.

YES

There is authentic Sacred Tradition, such as the Word of God, and then there's man-made tradition, like sola scriptura.

There is no reason to think any different today therefore scripture is the only true source of truth.

Non-sequitur.

How many times does the Bible say, "As the scriptures say, or as the Word says?" No where does it say as the apostles said, so why would we think men today have that right?

???

How many times does the Bible record what the Apostles wrote and did?

The message!
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:29)
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."(Psalm 118:8)

Yup.

Enough times for us to see read the Scriptures today buddy.
And How can people say that Scripture Alone is heretical if you (in general) actually read and study em yourself and claim to live by em?... That's a bit contradictory don't cha think?.. You can't say scripture alone is unbiblical if you yourself actually claim to hold to them study them and practice them my friend. And to say that the phrase "scripture alone" is man-made is like saying the scriptures have no meaning and no purpose for anyone or anything. Think about buddy...
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3/30/2013 4:27:06 PM
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Hey we can solve this. I'll post a verse that helps my stance that, 'Scriptures are sufficant.' Then anyone who opposes or agrees can post a scripture that supports their side. Please give a brief explaination why this supports your side. If anyone disagrees with the explanation then call it. Anyone is next:

"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."(2 Timothy 3:15)

Here this verse describes that knowing the scriptures will make you wise to find salvation through Jesus Christ. This verse give no other reason or source for salvation other than scripture and Jesus Christ.
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3/30/2013 5:01:38 PM
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At 3/30/2013 4:27:06 PM, Pennington wrote:
Hey we can solve this. I'll post a verse that helps my stance that, 'Scriptures are sufficant.' Then anyone who opposes or agrees can post a scripture that supports their side. Please give a brief explaination why this supports your side. If anyone disagrees with the explanation then call it. Anyone is next:

"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."(2 Timothy 3:15)

Here this verse describes that knowing the scriptures will make you wise to find salvation through Jesus Christ. This verse give no other reason or source for salvation other than scripture and Jesus Christ.

Good idea.. Good verse to explain your point of view.

II. Timothy 2:15-
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

This verse commissions us to study the Scriptures so that we may be approved by God and should not bear shame. Which emphasizes the importance of Scripture Alone and obeying Gods commands.

Psalm 119:105-
Your word is a lamp to my feet
and a light to my path.

This verse explicitly expresses how the scriptures from Gods Word is what guides us and keeps us on His Righteous Path. <--Only because of Him by His Living Scriptures are we guided and kept on His path.
"What is sin? It is the glory of God not honored. Holiness of God not reverenced. Greatness of God not admired. Power of God not praised. Truth of God not sought. Wisdom of God not esteemed. Beauty of God not treasured. Goodness of God not savored. Faithfulness of God not trusted. Commandments of God not obeyed. Justice of God not respected. Wrath of God not feared. Grace of God not cherished. Presence of God not prized. Person of God not loved. That is sin." ~John Piper
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3/30/2013 5:28:19 PM
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At 3/30/2013 11:18:53 AM, Sola.Gratia wrote:
At 3/30/2013 10:43:21 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 3/30/2013 10:41:09 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/30/2013 10:38:30 AM, Dogknox wrote:
When you offer scriptures to back instead of man-made writings or RCC views let me know.
Pennington ALL is scripture all proven by scriptures.. read it again!

Are you sure?
Sola.Gratia YES I am sure "It is scripture".... And because it is SCRIPTURE you now KNOW you are rejecting Jesus, by rejecting his words!
You have placed the salvation of your soul in a Man; Martin Luther and his teaching over the words of Jesus!

Sola.Gratia & Pennington run for your lives... Run from the teaching of men. Run from Satan.. "Scriptures ALONE" The Thousands and thousands of man made churches.. is the direct result of the man made TEACHING of "Scriptures ALONE"; ALL Claim they believe the scriptures ALONE!

Sola.Gratia & Pennington All these man made protesting churches claim they have the ONLY TRUTH, because each has interpreted the scriptures as THEY SEE the scriptures.. NONE teach the same as the next!

PROVING...
Sola.Gratia & Pennington proving beyond all doubt the very idea of "Scriptures are all man needs to find the truth" is a OUTRIGHT LIE!!

Sola.Gratia & Pennington The TEACHING of "Scriptures ALONE" divides men.. It is truly the handy work of Satan!

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3/30/2013 5:34:55 PM
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At 3/30/2013 5:28:19 PM, Dogknox wrote:
You can not read or comprehind? Only scriptures to back your stance.
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3/30/2013 5:39:17 PM
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Psalm 119:105-
Your word is a lamp to my feet
and a light to my path.


Sola.Gratia you said.. This verse explicitly expresses how the scriptures from Gods Word is what guides us and keeps us on His Righteous Path. <--Only because of Him by His Living Scriptures are we guided and kept on His path

I reply: "Give your head a shake!!!!!"
The verse does NOT PROVE Scriptures "ALONE!"

Yes the Scriptures are helpful they are NOT ALONE!
The CHURCH uses the scriptures to TEACH to Rebuke to TEACH and to Train!!!! The Scriptures are USEFUL they are NOT ALONE!!!

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

Sola.Gratia Jesus said>>> LISTEN TO THE CHURCH!!!!

Jesus said.. "THE CHURCH IS THE PILLAR AND THE FOUNDATION OF TRUTH"!

Sola.Gratia The scriptures DO NOT SAY.. They are ALONE used!

The SCRIPTURES tell you "BAPTISM SAVES", not the scriptures!

The teaching of Scriptures ALONE is NOT found in the scriptures>>> It is a LIE!!!

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful!!!

CHURCH SAVES!!!!
She TEACHES, She Baptizes, She FEEDS God' children!!

Sola.Gratia Baptism makes God' CHILDREN>> This is scripture!
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3/30/2013 5:43:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:34:55 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:28:19 PM, Dogknox wrote:
You can not read or comprehind? Only scriptures to back your stance.

Pennington You can't produce scriptures that say.. "Scriptures are ALONE"!

Jesus said.. "LISTEN TO THE CHURCH"!
God said.. "LISTEN TO THE CHURCH"!
Martin Luther rejected the scriptures! Luther said.. "I will not listen"!

God said.. "The CHURCH is the Pillar and the foundation of truth!"

God said... "The CHURCH is the Body of Jesus!"
God said.. "The CHURCH makes disciples of all nations BAPTIZING"!
God said.. "DISCIPLES are Jesus' brothers"!

You have placed the salvation of your soul in the teaching of the MAN, Martin Luther a MAN that rejected the scriptures!
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3/30/2013 7:36:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:39:17 PM, Dogknox wrote:
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness:
Useful -capable of being put to use; especially: serviceable for an end or purpose <useful tools>
2: of a valuable or productive kind

Sola.Gratia Jesus said>>> LISTEN TO THE CHURCH!!!!:
Verse?

Jesus said.. "THE CHURCH IS THE PILLAR AND THE FOUNDATION OF TRUTH"!

The SCRIPTURES tell you "BAPTISM SAVES", not the scriptures! :
Faith in Jesus Christ saves...
Acts 3:16
And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Romans 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

The teaching of Scriptures ALONE is NOT found in the scriptures>>> It is a LIE!!!:
Show the verses I posted are incorrect to assume scripture leads to understanding of salvation and not a church or man.

1.Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Romans 15:3-5 (in Context) Romans 15 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2.2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Dispose of these two then!
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3/30/2013 8:45:04 PM
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At 3/30/2013 10:11:38 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
How many times does the Bible record what the Apostles wrote and did?

Were the NT Gospels written by eye witnesses?
There is no evidence to suggest that any of the gospels were written by eye witnesses of the events described in them. (Source: http://atheisttoolbox.com...)
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3/30/2013 9:59:32 PM
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At 3/30/2013 8:45:04 PM, Composer wrote:
At 3/30/2013 10:11:38 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
How many times does the Bible record what the Apostles wrote and did?

Were the NT Gospels written by eye witnesses?
There is no evidence to suggest that any of the gospels were written by eye witnesses of the events described in them. (Source: http://atheisttoolbox.com...)

That site offered nothing but assumptions. Where is the evidence you suggest? Why should anyone refuse almost all if historians who believe that Mat, Mark, Luke, John are all eye-witness accounts?
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3/30/2013 11:11:39 PM
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You said.. Useful -capable of being put to use; especially: serviceable for an end or purpose <useful tools>
2: of a valuable or productive kind


I reply: USEFUL..... Not ALONE!
Church uses the scriptures they are USEFUL for TEACHING!!
Scriptures do NOT Teach.. Teachers TEACH!
Church uses the scriptures they are USEFUL for REBUKING!
Scriptures do NOT rebuke, they can't they are a BOOK!
People REBUKE; CHURCH Rebukes!
Church uses the scriptures they are USEFUL for TRAINING!!!
Scriptures do NOT Train.. CHURCH TRAINS!!
Church uses the scriptures they are USEFUL for CORRECTING!!!
Scriptures CAN'T CORRECT.. It is just a BOOK the CHURCH has the AUTHORITY to CORRECT!

Matthew 18:17
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Pennington CHURCH Has the AUTHORITY given it by Jesus! LISTEN to Jesus... He tells you you MUST or you are as PAGAN!!

Pennington you said.. Faith in Jesus Christ saves... Then you quote John 3:16.
Acts 3:16
And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

I reply.. "NO DUH" this is what I have been telling you; "Faith in Jesus saves"!! Faith in Jesus is believing the words of Jesus!
YOU REJECT Jesus' words because you lack FAITH!!!

Jesus said... "LISTEN to the CHURCH!"
The words of Jesus... "LISTEN to the CHURCH!"
Pennington Faith in Jesus Christ saves...!!!

Jesus said.. "The CHURCH is his BODY!"
The words of Jesus.. "The CHURCH is his BODY!"
Pennington Faith in Jesus Christ saves...!!!
You reject Jesus' words so you have NO FAITH in the words of; "The WORD"!

Jesus said.. "He LOVES the CHURCH, he DIED for the CHURCH!"
Pennington "Jesus died for the CHURCH"!
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
Pennington Faith in Jesus Christ saves...!!!
FOR THE CHURCH, Jesus died!!!
For his BRIDE he died.. The CHURCH is Jesus' bride!
You reject the BRIDE, you reject the CHURCH, you reject the Body of Jesus!

Jesus said.. "My flesh is REAL FOOD", he also said; "You MUST EAT my FLESH"!
Pennington Faith in Jesus Christ saves...!!!
Pennington THESE PEOPLE DO not HAVE FAITH IN JESUS! (below)
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

Pennington You say the same as these people, you reject the words of Jesus, you lack FAITH in Jesus!!
FACT: "Faith IN Jesus saves"!
FACT: "Faith in Jesus is BELIEVING the words of Jesus!"
53 Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

Catholic' believe the words of Jesus you do NOT! I am CATHOLIC I believe the words of Jesus (above) All CHRISTIANS have faith in Je

You reject the words of Jesus, you do NOT have faith IN Jesus!

Jesus said.. "GO, make disciples of all nations BAPTIZING"!
Pennington Faith in Jesus Christ saves...!!!
You reject the words of Jesus, you believe the TEACHING of men who reject Baptism!
Pennington YOU HAVE FAITH IN YOU MEN TEACHERS OVER JESUS!

You quote this..??
Romans 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Are you saying "Circumcision will save you???!"
FAITH yes but NOT ALONE!!!
Baptism saves!
Church Saves!
LOVE Saves!

Childbearing SAVES!
1 Timothy 2:15
But women will be saved through childbearing"if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Pennington NOTICE... Childbearing and Faith.. NOT Faith ALONE!
Pennington Faith in Jesus Christ saves...!!! Faith IN Jesus is believing his SCRIPTURES, his WORDS!! Listen to the CHURCH!
Pennington It means the TEACHING of men, your Protestant teachers must be rejected for the lies they are! It means trusting in Jesus, trusting his words!

I said.. The teaching of Scriptures ALONE is NOT found in the scriptures>>> It is a LIE!!!:
You challenge me...You asked.. Show the verses I posted are incorrect to assume scripture leads to understanding of salvation and not a church or man.

I reply: The verse you posted lead to salvation if you believed the words of Jesus!
The words of Jesus.. "The CHURCH is HOLY & BLAMELESS"!
Pennington You reject the words of Jesus as a LIE from God' mouth!!

You said..
1) Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
2) Romans 15:3-5 (in Context) Romans 15 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2.2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

DO you see it... It gives "HOPE"!
Seems to me you were saying "FAITH" alone saved! Romans has nothing about faith saving! It is saying the "OLD TESTAMENT" gives HOPE! Written for us to LEARN by.. Yes Scriptures are used to teach they are NOT alone used!!

Pennington here it is again.. "Scriptures are only good if you believe them!"
Scriptures would make you wise if you had faith in the words of "THE WORD MADE FLESH!"
2.2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

They will NOT save you.. Scriptures can't baptize you!
Scriptures cannot feed you the living forever flesh of Jesus!
CHURCH Feeds you she Baptized all who believe her message!

Acts 2:40
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Pennington From Acts 2:40-41 what is the MESSAGE!??
What happens to those who BELIEVE the MASSAGE!!?
QUESTION: Are they that reject the message (above) "ADDED to Jesus' holy body"?!!!

You reject ACTS 40-41!!
You reject the scriptures!
Jesus wrote Acts 2:40-41 you do NOT believe in Jesus you reject Jesus' words!

Pennington You have placed the salvation of your soul in the TEACHING of Men who reject the scriptures! Martin Luther rejected the scriptures, he is the MAN that made the teaching of "We do not
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3/31/2013 1:59:39 AM
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At 3/30/2013 8:45:04 PM, Composer wrote:
At 3/30/2013 10:11:38 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
How many times does the Bible record what the Apostles wrote and did?

Were the NT Gospels written by eye witnesses?
There is no evidence to suggest that any of the gospels were written by eye witnesses of the events described in them. (Source: http://atheisttoolbox.com...)

At 3/30/2013 9:59:32 PM, Pennington wrote:
That site offered nothing but assumptions.
Not assumptions but reality!

There is NO legitimate evidence and nor do you provide any either!

What those dupes like YOU offer is 100% ' hearsay ' and e.g. Judge judy would have fun throwing it all out as illegitimate, illegal & worthless!

At 3/30/2013 9:59:32 PM, Pennington wrote:
Where is the evidence you suggest? Why should anyone refuse almost all if historians who believe that Mat, Mark, Luke, John are all eye-witness accounts?

' Why ' should they promote their 100% hearsay you ask, well because they are liars willing to say anything for their unworthy cause!
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3/31/2013 10:40:07 AM
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At 3/31/2013 1:59:39 AM, Composer wrote:

There is NO legitimate evidence and nor do you provide any either!:
I dont have to, you made the claim you have to prove it.
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3/31/2013 11:03:42 AM
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At 3/30/2013 11:11:39 PM, Dogknox wrote:
I would love to show the contradiction and hypocritical attitude of the one named, 'Dogknox.'

He starts off by saying that scriptures can not teach. Then he says that the RCC who are of men can teach therefore contradicting himself and showing hypocritical favorism.

Scriptures can:
TEACH FOLLOWERS AND NON-FOLLOWERS
REBUKE OTHER TEACHINGS
TRAIN FOLLOWERS AND NON-FOLLOWERS
& SHOW CORRECTNESS.

Dogknox suggest that no one can find salvation without the RCC but then ignores that the RCC is made-up of men also.

Matthew 18:17
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

What was they to listen to first? Not the Church, The scriptures.

Then Dogknox makes assucations against most the poeple on DDO that claim Christians by saying they refuse scriptures and Jesus Christ. He can make no claim. If he believes his own words then he should know that only a Pope can make such claims and he is not the Pope. Otherwise he is making claims about scriptures just like he claims other Christians do.

I asked him to show were in the entire Bible that Jesus said listen to the church, he hasn't because the Bible never says it. Rather he babbles about nonsense condemning other Christians further showing he is not Christian. He chooses to hate instead of love, this a clear message of Jesus Christ.

"I am CATHOLIC I believe the words of Jesus (above) All CHRISTIANS"
No Christian is above any other and this shows Dogknoxs racism to any other than Catholics.

"Baptism saves!"
Please provide scriptures

"Church Saves!"
Provide scriputures

"LOVE Saves!"
Scriptures

"Childbearing SAVES!
1 Timothy 2:15
But women will be saved through childbearing"if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

Incorrect again Dogknox there is conditions here.

"I reply: The verse you posted lead to salvation if you believed the words of Jesus!"

Yep, and every single verse I posted said through scriptures do you find salvation through faith.

"The words of Jesus.. "The CHURCH is HOLY & BLAMELESS"!"

Entertain me, what church is that and provide scriptures.

"DO you see it... It gives "HOPE"!
Seems to me you were saying "FAITH" alone saved! Romans has nothing about faith saving! It is saying the "OLD TESTAMENT" gives HOPE! Written for us to LEARN by.. Yes Scriptures are used to teach they are NOT alone used!!"

What is used then?

"They will NOT save you.. Scriptures can't baptize you!"

The Holy Ghost baptizes you by fire.

"Scriptures cannot feed you the living forever flesh of Jesus!"

The scriptures are the living flesh of Jesus.

"CHURCH Feeds you she Baptized all who believe her message!"

The scriptures feeds you, the Holy Ghost feeds you not the church. It is Jesus Christ message not the churches.
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3/31/2013 11:06:43 AM
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At 3/31/2013 10:40:07 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 1:59:39 AM, Composer wrote:

There is NO legitimate evidence and nor do you provide any either!:
I dont have to, you made the claim you have to prove it.

Pennington WHAT????!

What..You think I will go away and then your faith in the man "Martin Luther will be restored"!?
Well I will not go away...
Scriptures PROVE ALONE there is no such thing as "You do not need CHURCH!"

If you had "Faith IN Jesus" you would LISTEN to his words, the words of GOD.. The words of; "The WORD made flesh"!
God' words.. "LISTEN TO THE CHURCH"!
God' words.. "The CHURCH is the pillar and the foundation of truth!"
God' words.. "The CHURCH is the Body of Jesus"!
God' words.. "Jesus died for the CHURCH"!
God' words.. "Jesus LOVES the CHURCH"!
God' words.. "The Gates of hell will NOT prevail against THE CHURCH"!

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 6:29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
DID YOU SEE IT??? "You MUST believe the words of Jesus"!

Right after Jesus said this (above) he said..
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life

Pennington YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS!!

3:16.... That whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

These people DO NOT Believe in Jesus also..
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

Pennington CHRISTIANS have always eaten the flesh of Jesus in the form of bread!
CHRISTIANS are not Jews, Christians believe the words of Jesus!
Christians believe God cannot lie!
Christians REJECT the man made teaching of; "Man does not need CHURCH!"

Pennington RUN for your life run from Protestantism!! Trust in Jesus believe his words!

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Show the verses I posted are incorrect to assume scripture leads to understanding of salvation and not a church or man.

1.Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Romans 15:3-5 (in Context) Romans 15 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2.2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Dispose of these two then!
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