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3/30/2013 3:33:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Anyone interested in origins should watch this video series by Walter Veith. It's kinda long but well worth the time. He starts with the origin of the universe and works up through genetics.

101- The Earth in Time and Space

102- A Universal Flood

103- Bones in Stones

104- Where Mammals Reigned

105- Genes of Genesis
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3/30/2013 3:43:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is why we need more science education in America. Holy sh!t. People like this^ make me embarrassed to be human sometimes.
"Genesis could be compatible with anything. Theologians are great at mental gymnastics." ~ phantom
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3/30/2013 4:12:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 3:33:05 PM, medic0506 wrote:
Anyone interested in origins should watch this video series by Walter Veith. It's kinda long but well worth the time. He starts with the origin of the universe and works up through genetics.

101- The Earth in Time and Space

102- A Universal Flood

103- Bones in Stones

104- Where Mammals Reigned

105- Genes of Genesis


Skipped randomly to 1:00:023

He is insulting tectonic theory as madness and claiming the crust of the earth used to be softer and all signs of subduction we see today are evidence of this.

Sounds like someone Medic would watch.
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3/30/2013 4:16:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 4:12:35 PM, Wnope wrote:
Skipped randomly to 1:00:023

He is insulting tectonic theory as madness and claiming the crust of the earth used to be softer and all signs of subduction we see today are evidence of this.

Sounds like someone Medic would watch.

I think Creationists are allergic to facts. Anyway, if they think their results are promising and their theories are sound, why not publish them in reputable scientific journals?
"Genesis could be compatible with anything. Theologians are great at mental gymnastics." ~ phantom
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3/30/2013 4:21:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 4:16:26 PM, My-Self wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:12:35 PM, Wnope wrote:
Skipped randomly to 1:00:023

He is insulting tectonic theory as madness and claiming the crust of the earth used to be softer and all signs of subduction we see today are evidence of this.

Sounds like someone Medic would watch.

I think Creationists are allergic to facts. Anyway, if they think their results are promising and their theories are sound, why not publish them in reputable scientific journals?

They're afraid of nobel prizes and grant money.
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3/30/2013 4:22:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 4:16:26 PM, My-Self wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:12:35 PM, Wnope wrote:
Skipped randomly to 1:00:023

He is insulting tectonic theory as madness and claiming the crust of the earth used to be softer and all signs of subduction we see today are evidence of this.

Sounds like someone Medic would watch.

I think Creationists are allergic to facts. Anyway, if they think their results are promising and their theories are sound, why not publish them in reputable scientific journals?

No, there's a massive conspiracy among hundreds of thousands of scientists to keep creationism out of the picture.
"It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book."
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3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?
"It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book."
medic0506
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3/30/2013 5:34:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:13:20 PM, Enji wrote:
Wow, he even uses the same metaphors as Hovind.

Yeah, I noticed a couple of those too.
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3/30/2013 5:35:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:34:42 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:13:20 PM, Enji wrote:
Wow, he even uses the same metaphors as Hovind.

Yeah, I noticed a couple of those too.

I really liked that conservation of angular momentum metaphor with kids on a spinny thing.
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3/30/2013 5:35:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?

Because theose "Christians" are obvious compromisers not willing to stand on biblical truth.
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3/30/2013 5:39:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:35:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?

Because theose "Christians" are obvious compromisers not willing to stand on biblical truth.

Why do you have the equal sign in your pic if you stand on biblical truth? The Bible is clear on homosexuality.
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3/30/2013 5:45:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:39:36 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:35:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?

Because theose "Christians" are obvious compromisers not willing to stand on biblical truth.

Why do you have the equal sign in your pic if you stand on biblical truth? The Bible is clear on homosexuality.

Y he no hate homosexuals???
popculturepooka
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3/30/2013 5:49:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:39:36 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:35:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?

Because theose "Christians" are obvious compromisers not willing to stand on biblical truth.

Why do you have the equal sign in your pic if you stand on biblical truth? The Bible is clear on homosexuality.

Why can you not recognize obvious sarcasm?
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Rational_Thinker9119
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3/30/2013 5:53:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:49:59 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:39:36 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:35:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?

Because theose "Christians" are obvious compromisers not willing to stand on biblical truth.

Why do you have the equal sign in your pic if you stand on biblical truth? The Bible is clear on homosexuality.

Why can you not recognize obvious sarcasm?

How is it obvious? lol There are countless Christians who would actually adhere to your post.
popculturepooka
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3/30/2013 5:56:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:53:43 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:49:59 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:39:36 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:35:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?

Because theose "Christians" are obvious compromisers not willing to stand on biblical truth.

Why do you have the equal sign in your pic if you stand on biblical truth? The Bible is clear on homosexuality.

Why can you not recognize obvious sarcasm?

How is it obvious? lol There are countless Christians who would actually adhere to your post.

Because I think I've even argued with you on this very issue a while back and I've said countless of times I'm not a YEC.
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3/30/2013 5:56:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:56:19 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:53:43 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:49:59 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:39:36 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:35:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?

Because theose "Christians" are obvious compromisers not willing to stand on biblical truth.

Why do you have the equal sign in your pic if you stand on biblical truth? The Bible is clear on homosexuality.

Why can you not recognize obvious sarcasm?

How is it obvious? lol There are countless Christians who would actually adhere to your post.

Because I think I've even argued with you on this very issue a while back and I've said countless of times I'm not a YEC.

Sorry, I'm not aware of your autobiography.
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3/30/2013 6:03:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 5:56:55 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:56:19 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:53:43 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:49:59 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:39:36 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:35:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?

Because theose "Christians" are obvious compromisers not willing to stand on biblical truth.

Why do you have the equal sign in your pic if you stand on biblical truth? The Bible is clear on homosexuality.

Why can you not recognize obvious sarcasm?

How is it obvious? lol There are countless Christians who would actually adhere to your post.

Because I think I've even argued with you on this very issue a while back and I've said countless of times I'm not a YEC.

Sorry, I'm not aware of your autobiography.

You should be.
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muzebreak
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3/30/2013 6:09:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 6:03:20 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:56:55 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:56:19 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:53:43 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:49:59 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:39:36 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:35:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 5:07:37 PM, Eitan_Zohar wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Tell me, have you ever opened a book on biology, astronomy, geology, physics, geography, chemistry, history or other scientific disciplines that you also think are complete fabrications? And maybe you'd like to explain to me why the vast majority of Christian scientists (and all Christian biologists) believe in evolution?

Because theose "Christians" are obvious compromisers not willing to stand on biblical truth.

Why do you have the equal sign in your pic if you stand on biblical truth? The Bible is clear on homosexuality.

Why can you not recognize obvious sarcasm?

How is it obvious? lol There are countless Christians who would actually adhere to your post.

Because I think I've even argued with you on this very issue a while back and I've said countless of times I'm not a YEC.

Sorry, I'm not aware of your autobiography.

You should be.

Wanna give us a lend of it?
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/30/2013 6:10:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 6:09:24 PM, muzebreak wrote:

Wanna give us a lend of it?

What? o_O
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3/30/2013 6:13:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 6:10:44 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/30/2013 6:09:24 PM, muzebreak wrote:

Wanna give us a lend of it?

What? o_O

Sorry, been in Ireland to long, the slang catches on. Can I borrow it?
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/31/2013 12:58:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Bumping this thread so this medic dude gets scoffed at some more. TJ quote on ridicule...
"Genesis could be compatible with anything. Theologians are great at mental gymnastics." ~ phantom
medic0506
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3/31/2013 2:29:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 12:58:58 AM, My-Self wrote:
At 3/30/2013 4:46:15 PM, medic0506 wrote:
scoff, scoff, scoff

Bumping this thread so this medic dude gets scoffed at some more. TJ quote on ridicule...

Great another 12 year old.
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3/31/2013 4:36:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I am 10 minutes in to the first video. His first glaring error is heavily misrepresenting the cosmological principle. The cosmological principle does not state that physical structures are the same for every part of the Universe but rather that physical laws are consistent. For instance the Earth, a star and a black hole are all different but none of them violate the basic laws of physics.
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3/31/2013 9:55:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 4:36:43 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
I am 10 minutes in to the first video. His first glaring error is heavily misrepresenting the cosmological principle. The cosmological principle does not state that physical structures are the same for every part of the Universe but rather that physical laws are consistent. For instance the Earth, a star and a black hole are all different but none of them violate the basic laws of physics.

The CP says that the universe is homogenous and isotropic. That requires uniformity, which is exactly what he said.
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3/31/2013 11:48:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 9:55:03 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 3/31/2013 4:36:43 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
I am 10 minutes in to the first video. His first glaring error is heavily misrepresenting the cosmological principle. The cosmological principle does not state that physical structures are the same for every part of the Universe but rather that physical laws are consistent. For instance the Earth, a star and a black hole are all different but none of them violate the basic laws of physics.

The CP says that the universe is homogenous and isotropic. That requires uniformity, which is exactly what he said.

^ When viewed on a sufficiently large scale*

The cosmological principle does not imply that stars / galaxies should not exist, and even massive astronomical groups like Sloan's Great Wall or the Huge LQG have been found to be consistent with the cosmological principle. The claims he makes on the basis of the cosmological principle are blatantly false. http://arxiv.org...

I would say that the first glaring error is representing the Big Bang as an explosion (at 4:00). Although initially this could have just been a figurative statement, it becomes increasingly clear (especially when talking about the conservation of angular momentum) that he means a literal explosion. It's actually the conservation of angular momentum which causes planets to spin and the conservation of angular momentum doesn't state/predict that all objects should spin in the same direction or require that the singularity was spinning.

It's ironic that he puts such a focus on "presenting both sides of an issue so people can make balanced and informed judgements" and then goes on to butcher the other side..
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3/31/2013 12:19:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I see that you all choose to retort that those who believe in YEC do not know real science. This is only because evolutionist are not separating science that deals with present observation with science that deals with the past. Everyone has the same evidence and different interpretations of it because of two different starting points. Evolutionists must use two very big assumptions when interpreting the past, materialism and uniformitarianism. That thinking is necessary for their dating methods to be accurate. Dating science has always been assumptive and is very much interpretive. There are many creationists that do credible science. The real problem is that evolutionist will never admit that they use assumptive science just like the claim creationist do.
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