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3/31/2013 5:11:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Anyone who believes Homosexuality is a sin in God's Word debate me, as I will win and prove that it is not a sin.
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3/31/2013 6:30:45 PM
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At 3/31/2013 5:11:12 PM, SavedByChrist94 wrote:
Anyone who believes Homosexuality is a sin in God's Word debate me, as I will win and prove that it is not a sin.

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God"s invisible qualities"his eternal power and divine nature"have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator"who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God"s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
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3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
^^^^

"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15)
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3/31/2013 6:47:04 PM
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At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Define natural, as used in these passages.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/31/2013 6:50:55 PM
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At 3/31/2013 6:47:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Define natural, as used in these passages.

I don't know. I'm not the one who thinks thy are unnatural.
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3/31/2013 7:27:33 PM
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At 3/31/2013 6:50:55 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:47:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Define natural, as used in these passages.

I don't know. I'm not the one who thinks thy are unnatural.

Fair enough, I thought that was why you posted the scriptures.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/31/2013 8:18:59 PM
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At 3/31/2013 6:30:45 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 5:11:12 PM, SavedByChrist94 wrote:
Anyone who believes Homosexuality is a sin in God's Word debate me, as I will win and prove that it is not a sin.

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God"s invisible qualities"his eternal power and divine nature"have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator"who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God"s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

This only applies to those who commit shameful acts with men. Not the ones who just commit shameless acts with men.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/31/2013 8:21:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15):

Are you suggesting the Bible approves of homosexuality?
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3/31/2013 8:25:33 PM
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At 3/31/2013 6:47:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Define natural, as used in these passages.

having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature. http://www.merriam-webster.com...
Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
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3/31/2013 8:25:51 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:21:58 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15):

Are you suggesting the Bible approves of homosexuality?

He's suggesting that the Bible says nothing about homosexuality itself being wrong. Unless you're claiming that 'straight' as a sexual orientation is interchangeable with 'heterosexual sex.'
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3/31/2013 8:30:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 8:25:33 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:47:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Define natural, as used in these passages.

having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature. http://www.merriam-webster.com...
Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Based on that definition, homosexuality can not stand under that definition.

There are atleast 1500, that we know of, animals who commit homosexual acts.

""One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species," explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the "Against Nature's Order?" exhibition."

http://www.news-medical.net...
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/31/2013 8:34:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 8:25:51 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:21:58 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15):

Are you suggesting the Bible approves of homosexuality?

He's suggesting that the Bible says nothing about homosexuality itself being wrong. Unless you're claiming that 'straight' as a sexual orientation is interchangeable with 'heterosexual sex.'

Ok, lol, it specifically disapproves of same-sex sexual relationships.
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3/31/2013 8:36:09 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:34:54 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:25:51 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:21:58 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15):

Are you suggesting the Bible approves of homosexuality?

He's suggesting that the Bible says nothing about homosexuality itself being wrong. Unless you're claiming that 'straight' as a sexual orientation is interchangeable with 'heterosexual sex.'

Ok, lol, it specifically disapproves of same-sex sexual relationships.

It doesn't disapprove of someone being gay, though.
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3/31/2013 8:39:09 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:30:23 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:25:33 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:47:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Define natural, as used in these passages.

having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature. http://www.merriam-webster.com...
Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Based on that definition, homosexuality can not stand under that definition.:
Yes it can, Features in nature are not based on homosexual behavior nor does has it designed species for homosexual behavior. Homosexuality is not ordinary or common. It is not the course of nature, which is life, homosexuality can not bring life which is a natural course.

There are atleast 1500, that we know of, animals who commit homosexual acts.

""One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species," explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the "Against Nature's Order?" exhibition.":
Show that to be fact. On the average of population, homosxuality is not that common. Show how it is essential to other species.
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3/31/2013 8:41:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 8:39:09 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:30:23 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:25:33 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:47:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Define natural, as used in these passages.

having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature. http://www.merriam-webster.com...
Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Based on that definition, homosexuality can not stand under that definition.:
Yes it can, Features in nature are not based on homosexual behavior nor does has it designed species for homosexual behavior. Homosexuality is not ordinary or common. It is not the course of nature, which is life, homosexuality can not bring life which is a natural course.

There are atleast 1500, that we know of, animals who commit homosexual acts.

""One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species," explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the "Against Nature's Order?" exhibition.":
Show that to be fact. On the average of population, homosxuality is not that common. Show how it is essential to other species.


How about you go read the article I provided.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/31/2013 8:44:20 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:34:54 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:25:51 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:21:58 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15):

Are you suggesting the Bible approves of homosexuality?

He's suggesting that the Bible says nothing about homosexuality itself being wrong. Unless you're claiming that 'straight' as a sexual orientation is interchangeable with 'heterosexual sex.'

Ok, lol, it specifically disapproves of same-sex sexual relationships.

Show me the specifics.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/31/2013 8:45:11 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:21:58 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error."
(Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15):

Are you suggesting the Bible approves of homosexuality?

Do you think long hair on men is unnatural in the same sense you think homosexual relations are?
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3/31/2013 8:55:36 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:45:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:21:58 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error."
(Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15):

Are you suggesting the Bible approves of homosexuality?

Do you think long hair on men is unnatural in the same sense you think homosexual relations are?:

Are you saying the Bible is not saying it is? You also are connecting the issues when long hair is a sign of strength also, Sampson, Nazarites. No place in the Bible is homosexual given any psoitive light and long does.
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3/31/2013 8:56:36 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:44:20 PM, muzebreak wrote:

Show me the specifics.

Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Sodom and Gomorrah.
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3/31/2013 8:58:44 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:56:36 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:44:20 PM, muzebreak wrote:

Show me the specifics.

Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Sodom and Gomorrah.

This relies on homosexual relations not being natural. It is.
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3/31/2013 9:10:08 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:58:44 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:56:36 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:44:20 PM, muzebreak wrote:

Show me the specifics.

Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Sodom and Gomorrah.

This relies on homosexual relations not being natural. It is.:

The Bible claims it is.
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3/31/2013 9:11:42 PM
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At 3/31/2013 8:55:36 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:45:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:21:58 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error."
(Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15):

Are you suggesting the Bible approves of homosexuality?

Do you think long hair on men is unnatural in the same sense you think homosexual relations are?:

Are you saying the Bible is not saying it is? You also are connecting the issues when long hair is a sign of strength also, Sampson, Nazarites. No place in the Bible is homosexual given any psoitive light and long does.

So according to the bible (according to you) samson was unnatural. Good to know.
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3/31/2013 9:19:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 9:11:42 PM, popculturepooka wrote:

Are you saying the Bible is not saying it is? You also are connecting the issues when long hair is a sign of strength also, Sampson, Nazarites. No place in the Bible is homosexual given any positive light and long does.

So according to the bible (according to you) samson was unnatural. Good to know.:

You are intelligently dishonest and Biblically dishonest. The Bible clearly (as I have shown) has multiple examples of long-hair. You showed a negative and I a positive. Where is your positive example of same-sex sexual relations in the Bible? I have shown just one of the negatives.
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3/31/2013 9:30:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 9:10:08 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:58:44 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:56:36 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:44:20 PM, muzebreak wrote:

Show me the specifics.

Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Sodom and Gomorrah.

This relies on homosexual relations not being natural. It is.:

The Bible claims it is.

Where?
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3/31/2013 10:03:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 9:30:43 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 9:10:08 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:58:44 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:56:36 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:44:20 PM, muzebreak wrote:

Show me the specifics.

Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Sodom and Gomorrah.

This relies on homosexual relations not being natural. It is.:

The Bible claims it is.

Where?:

This discussion is not involved in modern understanding of homosexuality but how the Bible seen it and the Bible seen it to be un-natural by the verse I posted amoung others.
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3/31/2013 10:10:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 9:19:05 PM, Pennington wrote:
Where is your positive example of same-sex sexual relations in the Bible?

Didn't Story book jebus sleep with up to 12 men?
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3/31/2013 10:15:02 PM
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At 3/31/2013 10:10:37 PM, Composer wrote:
At 3/31/2013 9:19:05 PM, Pennington wrote:
Where is your positive example of same-sex sexual relations in the Bible?

Didn't Story book jebus sleep with up to 12 men?:

You need serious help.
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3/31/2013 10:16:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 10:03:54 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 9:30:43 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 9:10:08 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:58:44 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:56:36 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:44:20 PM, muzebreak wrote:

Show me the specifics.

Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Sodom and Gomorrah.

This relies on homosexual relations not being natural. It is.:

The Bible claims it is.

Where?:

This discussion is not involved in modern understanding of homosexuality but how the Bible seen it and the Bible seen it to be un-natural by the verse I posted amoung others.

Ok, we have three options here, unless you can come up with another one.

The verse you mentioned is not talking about homosexuality, or at least not all examples of it.

It was written by men, and contains imperfections in its lines, and therefore cannot be trusted.

Or god was wrong about what is natural.

Choose one, or provide one.
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3/31/2013 10:23:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 10:16:34 PM, muzebreak wrote:


Ok, we have three options here, unless you can come up with another one.

The verse you mentioned is not talking about homosexuality, or at least not all examples of it. :
It is talking about anything you can imagine.

It was written by men, and contains imperfections in its lines, and therefore cannot be trusted.:
NO.

Or god was wrong about what is natural.:
I dont need God to see that a man has a johnson and woman has kitty and the johnson goes inside the kitty. Not the johnson goes into the same place that my fecies comes out. Same so that women do not have a natural Johnson to Johnson themselves.

Choose one, or provide one.
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3/31/2013 10:29:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 8:30:23 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 8:25:33 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:47:04 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/31/2013 6:42:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
^^^^


"26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Define natural, as used in these passages.

having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature. http://www.merriam-webster.com...
Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Based on that definition, homosexuality can not stand under that definition.

There are atleast 1500, that we know of, animals who commit homosexual acts.

""One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species," explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the "Against Nature's Order?" exhibition."

http://www.news-medical.net...

The funny thing is that the Penguins there change orientation, as do the rams. They end up heterosexual.
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