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muzebreak
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4/1/2013 12:40:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
A question to those who hold to religious beliefs.

When confronted with evidence that contradicted beliefs you held, would you actually change them?
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/1/2013 12:52:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 12:40:18 AM, muzebreak wrote:
A question to those who hold to religious beliefs.

When confronted with evidence that contradicted beliefs you held, would you actually change them?

Of course. Don't confuse religious beliefs with a religious-oriented model.

Someone once said, "Human understanding is like a web anchored at three points: self, other and the unit. Conceptual knowledge is the spiral that forms the body of the web and linking all three. Every new bit of information damages the spiral in some way and it has to be repaired, but some people wait so long before making any repairs (creationists, for example) that they hold everyone else back."
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4/1/2013 12:53:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Every non-theist who was formally a theist would probably answer yes to that question. I would.
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4/1/2013 12:53:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 12:40:18 AM, muzebreak wrote:
A question to those who hold to religious beliefs.

When confronted with evidence that contradicted beliefs you held, would you actually change them?:

I do daily(or atleast weekly ;)
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4/1/2013 12:58:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 12:52:49 AM, Radar wrote:
At 4/1/2013 12:40:18 AM, muzebreak wrote:
A question to those who hold to religious beliefs.

When confronted with evidence that contradicted beliefs you held, would you actually change them?

Of course. Don't confuse religious beliefs with a religious-oriented model.

Someone once said, "Human understanding is like a web anchored at three points: self, other and the unit. Conceptual knowledge is the spiral that forms the body of the web and linking all three. Every new bit of information damages the spiral in some way and it has to be repaired, but some people wait so long before making any repairs (creationists, for example) that they hold everyone else back."

No offense man, but you have this thing where you always act as though every post dealing with theism or religion is directed directly at you. And you start replying like they strawmanned your position or something.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/1/2013 1:01:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 12:53:23 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/1/2013 12:40:18 AM, muzebreak wrote:
A question to those who hold to religious beliefs.

When confronted with evidence that contradicted beliefs you held, would you actually change them?:

I do daily(or atleast weekly ;)

I should have specified. I was more referring to deep-seated beliefs, like YEC, or the religion itself, or even theism as a whole.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/1/2013 1:02:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 12:53:00 AM, Maikuru wrote:
Every non-theist who was formally a theist would probably answer yes to that question. I would.

Agreed, I was once a theist.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/1/2013 1:05:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 1:01:00 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 4/1/2013 12:53:23 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/1/2013 12:40:18 AM, muzebreak wrote:
A question to those who hold to religious beliefs.

When confronted with evidence that contradicted beliefs you held, would you actually change them?:

I do daily(or atleast weekly ;)

I should have specified. I was more referring to deep-seated beliefs, like YEC, or the religion itself, or even theism as a whole.:

Well anyone who has beliefs like those(like me), I do not think my interpretations of my religion are always correct or the highest understanding of them. Therefore I can accept wrongs in my understanding but to throw my religion away would be nonsense. My faith/religion offers more than just trying to prove everything.
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4/1/2013 1:12:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 1:05:25 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/1/2013 1:01:00 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 4/1/2013 12:53:23 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/1/2013 12:40:18 AM, muzebreak wrote:
A question to those who hold to religious beliefs.

When confronted with evidence that contradicted beliefs you held, would you actually change them?:

I do daily(or atleast weekly ;)

I should have specified. I was more referring to deep-seated beliefs, like YEC, or the religion itself, or even theism as a whole.:

Well anyone who has beliefs like those(like me), I do not think my interpretations of my religion are always correct or the highest understanding of them. Therefore I can accept wrongs in my understanding but to throw my religion away would be nonsense. My faith/religion offers more than just trying to prove everything.

So, do you really care whether there is truth in your religion then? Or do you just enjoy the benefits of your faiths? Or am I completely off base with both of these?
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/1/2013 1:21:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yes. But other than the Problem of Evil, the Argument from Incoherence, Non-Cognitivism, Inconsistent Religions, and Divine Hiddenness, I don't know of any "evidence" that could contradict belief in God. That said, through my personal interest in apologetics, I have good evidence to support a belief in God.

(of course, this response concerns theism in general, not necessarily my complementary religious beliefs, such as the Resurrection, etc.)
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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4/1/2013 1:25:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 1:21:12 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
Yes. But other than the Problem of Evil, the Argument from Incoherence, Non-Cognitivism, Inconsistent Religions, and Divine Hiddenness, I don't know of any "evidence" that could contradict belief in God. That said, through my personal interest in apologetics, I have good evidence to support a belief in God.

(of course, this response concerns theism in general, not necessarily my complementary religious beliefs, such as the Resurrection, etc.)

What about your religious beliefs? Would you ever shed them?
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/1/2013 1:43:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 1:25:18 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 4/1/2013 1:21:12 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
Yes. But other than the Problem of Evil, the Argument from Incoherence, Non-Cognitivism, Inconsistent Religions, and Divine Hiddenness, I don't know of any "evidence" that could contradict belief in God. That said, through my personal interest in apologetics, I have good evidence to support a belief in God.

(of course, this response concerns theism in general, not necessarily my complementary religious beliefs, such as the Resurrection, etc.)

What about your religious beliefs? Would you ever shed them?

Yea. I generally consider myself a reasonable person, though those who share that ridiculous Dr. House graphic believe otherwise.
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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4/1/2013 1:44:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 1:25:18 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 4/1/2013 1:21:12 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
Yes. But other than the Problem of Evil, the Argument from Incoherence, Non-Cognitivism, Inconsistent Religions, and Divine Hiddenness, I don't know of any "evidence" that could contradict belief in God. That said, through my personal interest in apologetics, I have good evidence to support a belief in God.

(of course, this response concerns theism in general, not necessarily my complementary religious beliefs, such as the Resurrection, etc.)

What about your religious beliefs? Would you ever shed them?

Yea. I generally consider myself a reasonable person, though those who share that ridiculous Dr. House graphic probably believe otherwise.
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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4/1/2013 1:49:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 1:44:02 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 4/1/2013 1:25:18 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 4/1/2013 1:21:12 AM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
Yes. But other than the Problem of Evil, the Argument from Incoherence, Non-Cognitivism, Inconsistent Religions, and Divine Hiddenness, I don't know of any "evidence" that could contradict belief in God. That said, through my personal interest in apologetics, I have good evidence to support a belief in God.

(of course, this response concerns theism in general, not necessarily my complementary religious beliefs, such as the Resurrection, etc.)

What about your religious beliefs? Would you ever shed them?

Yea. I generally consider myself a reasonable person, though those who share that ridiculous Dr. House graphic probably believe otherwise.

Fair play.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.