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4/17/2013 4:21:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Is there strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God yet?
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4/17/2013 4:38:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:21:03 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God yet?

Define evidence.
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4/17/2013 4:38:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Lazy you are WSA. Are you missing all the cannon fire that's been going on in DDO for years? Wouldn't be happening without evidence.

The most popular arguments for God are:
Cosmological arguments
Teleological arguments
Ontological arguments
Moral arguments
Transcendental logical arguments
Arguments from reason
Arguments from Miracles
Arguments from scripture
Pascal's wager

Those are the ones I know of. Each argument provides its own individual evidence and creates premises that conclude in God's existence based on that.
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4/17/2013 4:41:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:38:56 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Lazy you are WSA. Are you missing all the cannon fire that's been going on in DDO for years? Wouldn't be happening without evidence.

The most popular arguments for God are:
Cosmological arguments
Teleological arguments
Ontological arguments
Moral arguments
Transcendental logical arguments
Arguments from reason
Arguments from Miracles
Arguments from scripture
Pascal's wager

Those are the ones I know of. Each argument provides its own individual evidence and creates premises that conclude in God's existence based on that.

Separate they have weaknesses but together they are sufficient.
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4/17/2013 4:47:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:38:56 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Lazy you are WSA. Are you missing all the cannon fire that's been going on in DDO for years? Wouldn't be happening without evidence.

The most popular arguments for God are:
Cosmological arguments

Not established, regardless of what WLC likes to think.

Teleological arguments

Not really aware of this argument.

Ontological arguments

Where is my island?

Moral arguments

What?

Transcendental logical arguments

Assumes 'laws of logic' are trascendental, then says 'therefore god'.

Arguments from reason

What?

Arguments from Miracles

Cannot prove a god.

Arguments from scripture

Cannot prove a god.....

Pascal's wager

Cannot prove a god.....


Those are the ones I know of. Each argument provides its own individual evidence and creates premises that conclude in God's existence based on that.

Not really.
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4/17/2013 4:50:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:21:03 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God yet?

Of course there are not theists are always going on about there "logical" arguments... but you think if they had any solid dependible fact they would use that instead, afte all logic shows god doesnt sxist
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4/17/2013 4:54:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:50:54 AM, atheismo wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:21:03 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God yet?

Of course there are not theists are always going on about there "logical" arguments... but you think if they had any solid dependible fact they would use that instead, afte all logic shows god doesnt sxist

Where do facts come from? Your logic. Your mind. Ones mind is the base of knowledge if not God. The fact that one can even think up and rationalize a thought as God shows that it is possible God can exist. These logical arguments have stood the test of time.
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4/17/2013 5:00:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:54:08 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:50:54 AM, atheismo wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:21:03 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God yet?

Of course there are not theists are always going on about there "logical" arguments... but you think if they had any solid dependible fact they would use that instead, afte all logic shows god doesnt sxist

Where do facts come from? Your logic. Your mind. Ones mind is the base of knowledge if not God. The fact that one can even think up and rationalize a thought as God shows that it is possible God can exist. These logical arguments have stood the test of time.

What?
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/17/2013 5:02:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:54:08 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:50:54 AM, atheismo wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:21:03 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God yet?

Of course there are not theists are always going on about there "logical" arguments... but you think if they had any solid dependible fact they would use that instead, afte all logic shows god doesnt sxist

Where do facts come from? Your logic. Your mind. Ones mind is the base of knowledge if not God. The fact that one can even think up and rationalize a thought as God shows that it is possible God can exist. These logical arguments have stood the test of time.

That is one of the stupidest things ive ever heard just because its possible god exists then does that makes really no sense. I can imagine being a millionaire but im not so we can easily see how that kind of reasoning is illogic and your appealto tradition by saying the arguments are old so they are sound but obviously your christian so i wouldnt expect you to be familiar with making sense...
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan
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4/17/2013 5:07:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 5:02:01 AM, atheismo wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:54:08 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:50:54 AM, atheismo wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:21:03 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God yet?

Of course there are not theists are always going on about there "logical" arguments... but you think if they had any solid dependible fact they would use that instead, afte all logic shows god doesnt sxist

Where do facts come from? Your logic. Your mind. Ones mind is the base of knowledge if not God. The fact that one can even think up and rationalize a thought as God shows that it is possible God can exist. These logical arguments have stood the test of time.

That is one of the stupidest things ive ever heard just because its possible god exists then does that makes really no sense. I can imagine being a millionaire but im not so we can easily see how that kind of reasoning is illogic and your appealto tradition by saying the arguments are old so they are sound but obviously your christian so i wouldnt expect you to be familiar with making sense...

You can be a millionaire. Just because you are not does not change that fact. You make no sense. These arguments have been around and still they are around because no one has showed them to be invalid.
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4/17/2013 5:12:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 5:07:05 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/17/2013 5:02:01 AM, atheismo wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:54:08 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:50:54 AM, atheismo wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:21:03 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God yet?

Of course there are not theists are always going on about there "logical" arguments... but you think if they had any solid dependible fact they would use that instead, afte all logic shows god doesnt sxist

Where do facts come from? Your logic. Your mind. Ones mind is the base of knowledge if not God. The fact that one can even think up and rationalize a thought as God shows that it is possible God can exist. These logical arguments have stood the test of time.

That is one of the stupidest things ive ever heard just because its possible god exists then does that makes really no sense. I can imagine being a millionaire but im not so we can easily see how that kind of reasoning is illogic and your appealto tradition by saying the arguments are old so they are sound but obviously your christian so i wouldnt expect you to be familiar with making sense...

You can be a millionaire. Just because you are not does not change that fact. You make no sense. These arguments have been around and still they are around because no one has showed them to be invalid.

no I can't be a millionarie because im not obviously because if i could be a millionaire i would thats your logic that you used to prove god right there so now your rebutting your own argument! Those arguments are proven invalid and there are even better ones for why god doesnt exist so its obvious that he doesnt especially because theres no evidence and extraordiny claims require extraordinary evidence..
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan
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4/17/2013 5:18:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 5:16:30 AM, Pennington wrote:
If idiots grew on trees, it would be orchard in here.

Hey, buck up buddy, you're not that stupid.
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This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/17/2013 5:19:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 5:16:30 AM, Pennington wrote:
If idiots grew on trees, it would be orchard in here.

it would be more like one tree because theres only one of you
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4/17/2013 5:22:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm Snaughling. Thats laughing so hard you snort, then laugh because you snorted, the snort because you laughed.
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4/17/2013 5:25:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 5:22:05 AM, Pennington wrote:
I'm Snaughling. Thats laughing so hard you snort, then laugh because you snorted, the snort because you laughed.

of course you are because you cant think of any rebuttal to the truth
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4/17/2013 5:25:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
It looks like it will be just another one of those mornings that your not rich and famous.
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4/17/2013 5:27:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 5:25:31 AM, Pennington wrote:
It looks like it will be just another one of those mornings that you're not rich and famous.

Fixed it for ya buddy.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/17/2013 5:28:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 5:27:04 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 4/17/2013 5:25:31 AM, Pennington wrote:
It looks like it will be just another one of those mornings that you're not rich and famous.

Fixed it for ya buddy.

Thanks, want to give me a back rub also?
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4/17/2013 5:30:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 5:28:45 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/17/2013 5:27:04 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 4/17/2013 5:25:31 AM, Pennington wrote:
It looks like it will be just another one of those mornings that you're not rich and famous.

Fixed it for ya buddy.

Thanks, want to give me a back rub also?

Only if you come over to the atheist side :)
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This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/17/2013 5:37:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:47:25 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:38:56 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Lazy you are WSA. Are you missing all the cannon fire that's been going on in DDO for years? Wouldn't be happening without evidence.

The most popular arguments for God are:
Cosmological arguments

Not established, regardless of what WLC likes to think.

Teleological arguments

Not really aware of this argument.

Ontological arguments

Where is my island?

Moral arguments

What?

Transcendental logical arguments

Assumes 'laws of logic' are trascendental, then says 'therefore god'.

Arguments from reason

What?

Arguments from Miracles

Cannot prove a god.

Arguments from scripture

Cannot prove a god.....

Pascal's wager

Cannot prove a god.....


Those are the ones I know of. Each argument provides its own individual evidence and creates premises that conclude in God's existence based on that.

Not really.

Muze, we should totally have a volley of debates on each of these arguments.
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4/17/2013 5:42:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 5:37:55 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:47:25 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 4/17/2013 4:38:56 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Lazy you are WSA. Are you missing all the cannon fire that's been going on in DDO for years? Wouldn't be happening without evidence.

The most popular arguments for God are:
Cosmological arguments

Not established, regardless of what WLC likes to think.

Teleological arguments

Not really aware of this argument.

Ontological arguments

Where is my island?

Moral arguments

What?

Transcendental logical arguments

Assumes 'laws of logic' are trascendental, then says 'therefore god'.

Arguments from reason

What?

Arguments from Miracles

Cannot prove a god.

Arguments from scripture

Cannot prove a god.....

Pascal's wager

Cannot prove a god.....


Those are the ones I know of. Each argument provides its own individual evidence and creates premises that conclude in God's existence based on that.

Not really.

Muze, we should totally have a volley of debates on each of these arguments.

I'm up for it. You still need to clarify a few of them; like the moral arguments, the argument from reason, and the teleological. But the rest I am definitely up for debating.
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This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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4/17/2013 6:48:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:38:56 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Lazy you are WSA. Are you missing all the cannon fire that's been going on in DDO for years? Wouldn't be happening without evidence.

The most popular arguments for God are:
Cosmological arguments
Teleological arguments
Ontological arguments
Moral arguments
Transcendental logical arguments
Arguments from reason
Arguments from Miracles
Arguments from scripture
Pascal's wager

Those are the ones I know of. Each argument provides its own individual evidence and creates premises that conclude in God's existence based on that.

I asked for evidence, not argument.
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4/17/2013 6:48:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At any rate, how would any of those arguments count as strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God..?
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4/17/2013 9:05:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:21:03 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Is there strong, verifiable evidence for the existence of God yet?

No.

Does this mean that God does not exist?

No.

Is there any evidence that would support the idea that God exists?

Yes, but it is circumstantial.

Is there, or could there ever be any evidence to support hte idea that Goddoes not exist?

No. Because there can be no evidence for the non-existence of something except it's non-existence. And a lack of evidence is not evidence.
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4/17/2013 9:10:48 AM
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At 4/17/2013 5:16:30 AM, Pennington wrote:
If idiots grew on trees, it would be orchard in here.

Lol uh oh are you wearing thin? Need anything?
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4/17/2013 9:14:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I saw this one guy who made an argument about how the ability to like art and beauty could not have arisen from an evolutionary standpoint.
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4/17/2013 9:18:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/17/2013 4:38:56 AM, Smithereens wrote:
Lazy you are WSA. Are you missing all the cannon fire that's been going on in DDO for years? Wouldn't be happening without evidence.

The most popular arguments for God are:
Cosmological arguments
Teleological arguments
Ontological arguments
Moral arguments
Transcendental logical arguments
Arguments from reason
Arguments from Miracles
Arguments from scripture
Pascal's wager

Those are the ones I know of. Each argument provides its own individual evidence and creates premises that conclude in God's existence based on that.

Each of these arguments is clearly fraudulent. Thus, they provide evidence that theists don't have any evidence. If they had good arguments, they wouldn't use bad arguments.

Atheism is a logical response to the listed arguments.