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Is Baptism Essential for Salvation?

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4/18/2013 5:34:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I used NKJV to quote all of these passages.

1 Peter 3:21 - There is also an antitype which now saves us"baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 22:16 - And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:3-4 - Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Matthew 28:19 - Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

Galatians 3:27 - For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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4/19/2013 3:11:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
ya
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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4/19/2013 7:21:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yep, baptism is a requirement for salvation.
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4/19/2013 9:43:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 7:21:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
Yep, baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Nope!

Story book god IF it maintains the standards it demands from others shows that we need do absolutely NOTHING for it will have to forgive everyone or be a hypocrite over this also! -

Forgiveness - 33tn Or "seventy times seven," i.e., an unlimited number of times. See L&N 60.74 and 60.77 for the two possible translations of the phrase. (Footnotes: Matt. 18:22) NET Story book

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!
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4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 9:43:31 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 7:21:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
Yep, baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Nope!

Story book god IF it maintains the standards it demands from others shows that we need do absolutely NOTHING for it will have to forgive everyone or be a hypocrite over this also! -

Forgiveness - 33tn Or "seventy times seven," i.e., an unlimited number of times. See L&N 60.74 and 60.77 for the two possible translations of the phrase. (Footnotes: Matt. 18:22) NET Story book

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!:

You made not one lick of sense.
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4/19/2013 9:47:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:43:31 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 7:21:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
Yep, baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Nope!

Story book god IF it maintains the standards it demands from others shows that we need do absolutely NOTHING for it will have to forgive everyone or be a hypocrite over this also! -

Forgiveness - 33tn Or "seventy times seven," i.e., an unlimited number of times. See L&N 60.74 and 60.77 for the two possible translations of the phrase. (Footnotes: Matt. 18:22) NET Story book

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!:

At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
You made not one lick of sense.
That's because you are inept!

No wonder you are a jebus the eternal jew reject!
Pennington
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4/19/2013 9:50:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 9:47:22 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:43:31 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 7:21:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
Yep, baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Nope!

Story book god IF it maintains the standards it demands from others shows that we need do absolutely NOTHING for it will have to forgive everyone or be a hypocrite over this also! -

Forgiveness - 33tn Or "seventy times seven," i.e., an unlimited number of times. See L&N 60.74 and 60.77 for the two possible translations of the phrase. (Footnotes: Matt. 18:22) NET Story book

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!:

At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
You made not one lick of sense.
That's because you are inept!:
Maybe you do not know how to properly communicate. It seems like the case looking over your post.

No wonder you are a jebus(Jesus, learn to spell or act like a adult) the eternal jew(capitalize) reject!(Who is rejected?)
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4/19/2013 9:53:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 9:50:42 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:47:22 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:43:31 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 7:21:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
Yep, baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Nope!

Story book god IF it maintains the standards it demands from others shows that we need do absolutely NOTHING for it will have to forgive everyone or be a hypocrite over this also! -

Forgiveness - 33tn Or "seventy times seven," i.e., an unlimited number of times. See L&N 60.74 and 60.77 for the two possible translations of the phrase. (Footnotes: Matt. 18:22) NET Story book

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!:

At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
You made not one lick of sense.
That's because you are inept!:
Maybe you do not know how to properly communicate. It seems like the case looking over your post.

No wonder you are a jebus(Jesus, learn to spell or act like a adult) the eternal jew(capitalize) reject!(Who is rejected?)

Spoken again like the genuine jebus the eternal jew reject I exposed you as!
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4/19/2013 10:02:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 9:53:55 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:50:42 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:47:22 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:43:31 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 7:21:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
Yep, baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Nope!

Story book god IF it maintains the standards it demands from others shows that we need do absolutely NOTHING for it will have to forgive everyone or be a hypocrite over this also! -

Forgiveness - 33tn Or "seventy times seven," i.e., an unlimited number of times. See L&N 60.74 and 60.77 for the two possible translations of the phrase. (Footnotes: Matt. 18:22) NET Story book

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!:

At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
You made not one lick of sense.
That's because you are inept!:
Maybe you do not know how to properly communicate. It seems like the case looking over your post.

No wonder you are a jebus(Jesus, learn to spell or act like a adult) the eternal jew(capitalize) reject!(Who is rejected?)

Spoken again like the genuine jebus the eternal jew reject I exposed you as!:

When? Where? How? There you go, you must deny reality and the course of history, to maintain your thoughts. Don't ever tell a God believer they are delusional. You far exceed that obstacle.
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4/19/2013 10:22:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 10:02:57 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:53:55 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:50:42 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:47:22 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:43:31 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 7:21:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
Yep, baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Nope!

Story book god IF it maintains the standards it demands from others shows that we need do absolutely NOTHING for it will have to forgive everyone or be a hypocrite over this also! -

Forgiveness - 33tn Or "seventy times seven," i.e., an unlimited number of times. See L&N 60.74 and 60.77 for the two possible translations of the phrase. (Footnotes: Matt. 18:22) NET Story book

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!:

At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
You made not one lick of sense.
That's because you are inept!:
Maybe you do not know how to properly communicate. It seems like the case looking over your post.

No wonder you are a jebus(Jesus, learn to spell or act like a adult) the eternal jew(capitalize) reject!(Who is rejected?)

Spoken again like the genuine jebus the eternal jew reject I exposed you as!:

When? Where? How? There you go, you must deny reality and the course of history, to maintain your thoughts. Don't ever tell a God believer they are delusional. You far exceed that obstacle.

When you think you have found a genuine jebus' believer bring them along and the bible will test them for genuineness!

You unambiguously failed, so you are also out already!
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4/19/2013 10:30:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 10:22:04 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 10:02:57 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:53:55 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:50:42 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:47:22 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:43:31 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 7:21:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
Yep, baptism is a requirement for salvation.

Nope!

Story book god IF it maintains the standards it demands from others shows that we need do absolutely NOTHING for it will have to forgive everyone or be a hypocrite over this also! -

Forgiveness - 33tn Or "seventy times seven," i.e., an unlimited number of times. See L&N 60.74 and 60.77 for the two possible translations of the phrase. (Footnotes: Matt. 18:22) NET Story book

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!:

At 4/19/2013 9:44:36 AM, Pennington wrote:
You made not one lick of sense.
That's because you are inept!:
Maybe you do not know how to properly communicate. It seems like the case looking over your post.

No wonder you are a jebus(Jesus, learn to spell or act like a adult) the eternal jew(capitalize) reject!(Who is rejected?)

Spoken again like the genuine jebus the eternal jew reject I exposed you as!:

When? Where? How? There you go, you must deny reality and the course of history, to maintain your thoughts. Don't ever tell a God believer they are delusional. You far exceed that obstacle.

When you think you have found a genuine jebus' believer bring them along and the bible will test them for genuineness!

You unambiguously failed, so you are also out already!:

Again, no one cares what you think or hope. The truth is you have shown diddly swat.
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4/19/2013 10:37:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Meanwhile in reality land where I dwell, we need relax and do absolutely NOTHING for we are guaranteed by Story book god (Matt. 18:22) that we will ALL receive Unlimited forgiveness for whatever Story book god thinks we need forgiveness for? LOL!

You still lose!
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4/19/2013 10:39:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 10:37:19 AM, Composer wrote:
Meanwhile in reality land where I dwell, we need relax and do absolutely NOTHING for we are guaranteed by Story book god (Matt. 18:22) that we will ALL receive Unlimited forgiveness for whatever Story book god thinks we need forgiveness for? LOL!

You still lose!:

Nope, your understanding is lacking. BTW you are still in la-la land.
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4/19/2013 10:45:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 10:39:21 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 10:37:19 AM, Composer wrote:
Meanwhile in reality land where I dwell, we need relax and do absolutely NOTHING for we are guaranteed by Story book god (Matt. 18:22) that we will ALL receive Unlimited forgiveness for whatever Story book god thinks we need forgiveness for? LOL!

You still lose!:

Nope, your understanding is lacking. BTW you are still in la-la land.

So you are back to denouncing your own propaganda as spurious and misleading and i.e. Matt. 18:22 is wrong? LOL!

You obviously don't believe in Unlimited forgiveness despite your own propaganda stating it is the case? LOL!

That's the way knave, now getting your own back on the Story book jebus the eternal jew that rejected you, LOL!
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4/19/2013 10:47:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 10:45:26 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/19/2013 10:39:21 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/19/2013 10:37:19 AM, Composer wrote:
Meanwhile in reality land where I dwell, we need relax and do absolutely NOTHING for we are guaranteed by Story book god (Matt. 18:22) that we will ALL receive Unlimited forgiveness for whatever Story book god thinks we need forgiveness for? LOL!

You still lose!:

Nope, your understanding is lacking. BTW you are still in la-la land.

So you are back to denouncing your own propaganda as spurious and misleading and i.e. Matt. 18:22 is wrong? LOL!

You obviously don't believe in Unlimited forgiveness despite your own propaganda stating it is the case? LOL!

That's the way knave, now getting your own back on the Story book jebus the eternal jew that rejected you, LOL!

There is unlimited forgiveness for those who believe and have obtained salvation. You are not included.
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4/19/2013 1:57:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Oh, I asked Composer a year ago to prove that Jesus was an "eternal Jew", and he never did it. Never attempted it. But he sure kept on saying it. If he underlined and capitalized a little more often, I'd swear he is Dogknox's brother.
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4/19/2013 2:01:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I also take note that Composer debated the topic with Pennington at which time Composer fared far better than anyone imagined he would. It appears that he almost got one vote. 15-0 ain't bad. Dogknox could have never done that well. Congrats are in order!
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4/19/2013 3:58:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think the best answer is just do it and then you don't even have to worry about it. But ultimately no it is not necessary for salvation.
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4/19/2013 4:26:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 3:58:14 PM, stubs wrote:
I think the best answer is just do it and then you don't even have to worry about it. But ultimately no it is not necessary for salvation.

On what grounds?
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4/19/2013 5:48:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 4:26:41 PM, weeknasty wrote:
At 4/19/2013 3:58:14 PM, stubs wrote:
I think the best answer is just do it and then you don't even have to worry about it. But ultimately no it is not necessary for salvation.

On what grounds?

What do you mean?
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4/19/2013 9:24:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 5:48:13 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/19/2013 4:26:41 PM, weeknasty wrote:
At 4/19/2013 3:58:14 PM, stubs wrote:
I think the best answer is just do it and then you don't even have to worry about it. But ultimately no it is not necessary for salvation.

On what grounds?

What do you mean?

On what grounds do you believe baptism not to be essential for salvation?
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4/21/2013 12:33:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 9:24:13 PM, weeknasty wrote:
On what grounds do you believe baptism not to be essential for salvation?

Scripture doesn't seem to support the opinion that it is necessary. So that's why I don't
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4/21/2013 12:41:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/19/2013 1:57:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
Oh, I asked Composer a year ago to prove that Jesus was an "eternal Jew", and he never did it. Never attempted it. But he sure kept on saying it. If he underlined and capitalized a little more often, I'd swear he is Dogknox's brother.

If you read that Debate you will see why Pennington was legitimately defeated on ALL counts despite the Votes being mostly his!

That's not because my arguments failed because they didn't and YOU are welcome to try to demonstrate legitimately otherwise?

Pennington failed on all counts, still does!

That debate includes the evidence proving Story book jebus is an eternal jew boy!

I asked YOU over a year ago the simple question " Was Story book jebus born a Jew boy? "

YOU ran for cover!

Much much much better luck with this Topic loser girl! (ahem!: e.g. I haven't got copies of the YLT & E.D & your most recent blunder - spirits go to Hades? LOL!)

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!
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4/21/2013 2:12:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
"If you read that Debate you will see why Pennington was legitimately defeated on ALL counts despite the Votes being mostly his!"

Mostly? How many do you have now? Your were tottering between naught and cipher and zero when I looked.

Can we still vote? I might go hand you a sympathy point for grammar or something so you won't get discouraged as your twin, Dogknox, does.
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4/21/2013 5:24:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 2:12:19 AM, annanicole wrote:
"If you read that Debate you will see why Pennington was legitimately defeated on ALL counts despite the Votes being mostly his!"

Mostly? How many do you have now? Your were tottering between naught and cipher and zero when I looked.

Can we still vote? I might go hand you a sympathy point for grammar or something so you won't get discouraged as your twin, Dogknox, does.

That debate just shows why Voting for Debates are not always the answer for Truth!

It would be interesting to discover how many who Voted are trinitarians and self-acclaimed believers like you & Dogknox & Pennington to name a few here!

It is also unambiguously clear that YOU are also incapable of legitimately refuting what I stated and instead you duck for cover citing ' the most votes count! ' so I annanicole must be right? LOL!

Your gods like you, Dogknox & Pennington are 100% impootent against moi!

The physical act of baptism is just another non-scriptural show you jebus the eternal jew boy rejects put on to try to impress others!

e.g. Matt. 18:22 ' Unlimited forgiveness ' clearly refutes the need for such pagan acts!

Much better luck next times loser girl!
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4/21/2013 9:15:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Has anyone wondered why someone with the name "Composer" would in reality copy and paste so much?
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4/23/2013 5:58:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 12:33:09 AM, stubs wrote:
At 4/19/2013 9:24:13 PM, weeknasty wrote:
On what grounds do you believe baptism not to be essential for salvation?

Scripture doesn't seem to support the opinion that it is necessary. So that's why I don't
stubs Peter "ADDED" 3000 people to Jesus' body by BAPTISM the first day of Pentecost!

Matthew 28.... Jesus commissioned his Church to make DISCIPLES of all nations by BAPTISM!
stubs Scriptures are clear.. Disciples are Jesus' BROTHERS!

You can't be a BROTHER of Jesus without baptism!
stubs If Jesus is NOT your BROTHER then God can't be your father! It is just this simple!
Baptism makes BROTHERS for Jesus, it ADDS people to God' holy family!
Baptism removes sins!
"Repent be BAPTIZED for the forgiveness of your sins!" (Acts 2)

stubs There is ZERO scriptures that say.. "Baptism is symbolic!"

CHRISTIANS have ALWAYS BAPTIZED to add people to Jesus' holy body!
stubs It was not until the "Deformation" sixteen hundred years AFTER Jesus, that men rejected the scriptures and what Christians have always believed!

Scripture do support that Baptism is necessary.
stubs It is men like you, who believe teachings unsupported by scriptures, that reject baptism as being only symbolic! You are forced to reject the scriptures as lies from God, to reject the salvation offered by baptism!

CHRISTIANS have always taught Baptism saves!

Dogknox
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4/23/2013 7:48:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
LMAO @ Dogknox trying to manipulate everything into some Catholic nonsense!

Dogknox: Peter "ADDED" 3000 people to Jesus' body by BAPTISM the first day of Pentecost!

Anna: What's wrong with you? And what ails you that forces you to make the same wild assertion from which you've already backed down? Peter didn't add ANYBODY! Get it? Why don't you stick with what the Bible says and refrain from your outlandish assertions:

"And the Lord added daily to the church those being saved." (Acts 2: 47)

Do you think Peter is the Lord? And please ... don't bore us with your excuses about Peter preaching a sermon - then personally baptizing all 3,000 of them! You have Peter personally baptizing about two people per minute with your crazy theory.

*****

Dogknox: "Jesus commissioned his Church to make DISCIPLES of all nations by BAPTISM!"

Anna: No, He didn't. Now we're down to simple English.

"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

1. That commission was given to the apostles - not the church. It never was intended for the church, except in a secondary sense.

2. The apostles were to go, teach, baptize, then further teach.

3. A disciple is a student, a learner. The apostles were to GO first and TEACH - make disciples, make learners. Oh, how Dogknox wishes that the word "teach" wasn't in there!

*****

Dogknox: "You can't be a BROTHER of Jesus without baptism!"

Anna: Perhaps, but nothing so teaches in the Bible. Nothing. If not, why say it?

*****

Dogknox: "CHRISTIANS have always taught Baptism saves!"

Anna: Sure they have, but why do you persist in making all these mistakes? There's no need in it. Go to verses pertaining to baptism, cite them, and leave the nonsense about "the church" doing it - and Peter doing the adding - O-U-T. You can't discuss a topic, including baptism, without adding popish errors to it.
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4/23/2013 11:11:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Acts 2:40
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation."
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.


Those who accepted PETERS message were baptized, into Jesus' body!

PETER ADDED 3000 people to Jesus' body the first day of Pentecost by BAPTIZING THEM!
Only those who accepted PETERS MESSAGE were BAPTIZED!
Peter BAPTIZED them, Peter ADDED them to Jesus' holy Catholic Body!
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4/23/2013 11:43:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Dogknox: Peter BAPTIZED them

Anna: I'll quit the discussion and become a Roman Catholic if you can prove it. If you can't, back up and tell us why you can't. LMAO @ Catholic pretensions. Peter PROBABLY baptized some of them. I'd think so. You're dumb enough to think ole Pope Peter baptized one person every thirty seconds for twenty-four hours.

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Dogknox: "Peter ADDED them to Jesus' holy Catholic Body!"

Anna: I'll quit the discussion and become a Roman Catholic if you can find THAT anywhere in the Bible. Truth is: they were baptized by SOMEONE, and the Bible does not say by whom, and at that point, the Lord added them to the church. Jesus (and the Father) does the adding, Dogknox - not some man.

"And the Lord added daily to the church those being saved." (Acts 2: 47)

There's you a great deal. Prove what you're saying - and I'll align myself with you. Course you can't do it.

LMAO @ Peter baptizing all of them - then trying to claim Peter added them to Lord's church. LMAO! How dumb can ya get?
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