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Science has made religion irrelevant

cheriley
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4/20/2013 4:16:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
personal beliefs aside, the purpose of both is to explain existence and our place in it. science is based on empirical evidence. religion is based on... well i dont know feelings and heresay i guess. science can be as revelatory and encouraging and empowering as religion ever could. and its based on reality. so why not just say, ok that was interesting, lets move on.
Radar
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4/20/2013 4:29:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
How interesting. You begin with "personal beliefs aside" and then proceed by telling us what yours are.
cheriley
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4/20/2013 5:07:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/20/2013 4:29:25 PM, Radar wrote:
How interesting. You begin with "personal beliefs aside" and then proceed by telling us what yours are.

yeah good point

i realised that too late

thank god we sorted that out

so what else do you have to say
tkubok
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4/20/2013 5:58:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/20/2013 5:07:44 PM, cheriley wrote:
At 4/20/2013 4:29:25 PM, Radar wrote:
How interesting. You begin with "personal beliefs aside" and then proceed by telling us what yours are.

yeah good point

i realised that too late

thank god we sorted that out

so what else do you have to say

Its hearsay, not heresay.

common mistake. Thought id point it out.
PureX
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4/21/2013 11:35:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/20/2013 4:16:31 PM, cheriley wrote:
personal beliefs aside, the purpose of both is to explain existence and our place in it. science is based on empirical evidence. religion is based on... well i dont know feelings and heresay i guess. science can be as revelatory and encouraging and empowering as religion ever could. and its based on reality. so why not just say, ok that was interesting, lets move on.

Well, the scientific process has not "explained existence and our place in it", for one. And for another, I don't see any way that you can know how revelatory, encouraging, and empowering religion is to other people.
EvanK
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4/21/2013 12:01:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/20/2013 4:16:31 PM, cheriley wrote:
personal beliefs aside, the purpose of both is to explain existence and our place in it. science is based on empirical evidence. religion is based on... well i dont know feelings and heresay i guess. science can be as revelatory and encouraging and empowering as religion ever could. and its based on reality. so why not just say, ok that was interesting, lets move on.

The purpose of science is not to explain our place in existence. Not even our purpose in our existence. Science explains the truths about us, and world around us. According to science, we are simply atoms in motion, our emotions are the result of chemical reactions in the brain, etc. Nothing real special about us then, is there? I have no problem recognizing that this could be true, but religion helps add a little spice to one's life :P Science makes life pointless. Why should I love someone, if my love is simply some chemical reaction? Why shouldn't I simply use whores to make myself happy, instead of committing myself to a person for my whole life?

I'm not saying science is useless, rather, that religion and philosophy help explain things that science cannot. Religion isn't truth, it's faith. It's hope. The way I see it is, science cannot explain everything. Indeed, it can be wrong on many occasions. But that doesn't mean it's useless. Same for religion. Religion cannot explain everything, and can be wrong, but it still has a purpose. For myself at least, science makes the world very boring and dreary. In it, we are simply very organized atoms in motion, and our lives mean nothing; they are meaningless. Am I saying I deny this possibility? Not at all. But, it's only a possibility, and I have no more reason to believe it than to believe in a religion (at least on the subject of the meaning of life. Obviously some things in science are observably true). I choose religion, and science, for my own personal reasons that I don't expect anyone else to understand.

I don't see why we must choose one of two extremes: science or religion. Why not both? They can be complimentary to each other, if done right, and in the end, neither offer the complete truths about the world. Placing your faith 100% in science requires just as much of a leap of faith as it does to put your faith 100% in a religion. I choose both, because both have a purpose, in my life anyway. Just my thoughts...
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medv4380
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4/21/2013 12:07:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Your view assumes the purpose of religion is to explain existence. Psychology, a Science, has many views on the subject. One is that Religion is an Evolutionary Adaptation as for social solidarity. If that's the case the Science could never replace it because the purpose of science has nothing to do with the solidarity of society.
Fruitytree
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4/21/2013 12:50:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Cause science is Human, it makes mistakes, and they can be big.

Cause science can be biased and bought with money.

Cause science is people claiming something based on observation, and Religion is people saying something based on revelation and observation.
tkubok
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4/21/2013 8:21:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 12:50:50 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
Cause science is Human, it makes mistakes, and they can be big.

Cause science can be biased and bought with money.

Cause science is people claiming something based on observation, and Religion is people saying something based on revelation and observation.

Science makes mistakes. But the amount of things it gets right will always be larger than those that dont.

Religion, will always make mistakes. And the amount of things it gets wrong will always be larger than those that do.