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4/21/2013 9:30:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You only need to look at first 4 chapters of Genesis to see this.

- God made Adam and Eve in a state of childlike innocence.

- He put a bad tree in the garden, knowing it posed a risk to their safety (irresponsible).

- He blamed them for eating from the tree, despite them being incapable of knowing it was wrong until after they'd eaten from it (unfair).

- He made childbirth painful, cursed the ground and condemned mankind to death, all because two innocent children ate from a tree (petty, cruel AND misogynistic).

- He cast them out of Eden so they couldn't eat from the tree of life and become immortal AND wise like God (jealous).

- He rudely rejected Cain's offering for no good reason, told him to suck it up, then acted shocked when Cain got jealous and angry at Abel.

In other words, God is an a$$hole. And the rest of the Bible proves this.

You know what we should do? We should use Gene Therapy to extend our lifespans and remain youthful, just to spite the old bugger who took immortality away from us.
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4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Wow, what an original and rarely discussed topic! /end sarcasm

At 4/21/2013 9:30:12 PM, APB wrote:
You only need to look at first 4 chapters of Genesis to see this.

- God made Adam and Eve in a state of childlike innocence.

- He put a bad tree in the garden, knowing it posed a risk to their safety (irresponsible).

- He blamed them for eating from the tree, despite them being incapable of knowing it was wrong until after they'd eaten from it (unfair).

First off, from the stance of the Catholic Church (oldest organized Christian denomination) the bible can be taken metaphorically, in some cases. The story of creation is not usually taken as a literal account of creation. Secondly, as for the bolded section, if you actually took the time to...umm...I don't know...read the bible, or at least the story of creation and of Adam and Eve, you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. So they weren't incapable of knowing it was wrong. He flat out told them not to! But again, this is usually taken as a metaphorical story.


- He made childbirth painful, cursed the ground and condemned mankind to death, all because two innocent children ate from a tree (petty, cruel AND misogynistic).

- He cast them out of Eden so they couldn't eat from the tree of life and become immortal AND wise like God (jealous).

- He rudely rejected Cain's offering for no good reason, told him to suck it up, then acted shocked when Cain got jealous and angry at Abel.

In other words, God is an a$$hole. And the rest of the Bible proves this.

Care to expound?


You know what we should do? We should use Gene Therapy to extend our lifespans and remain youthful, just to spite the old bugger who took immortality away from us.

Either you're very immature, or you're trolling. :)
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4/21/2013 10:41:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:

First off, from the stance of the Catholic Church (oldest organized Christian denomination) the bible can be taken metaphorically, in some cases. The story of creation is not usually taken as a literal account of creation. Secondly, as for the bolded section, if you actually took the time to...umm...I don't know...read the bible, or at least the story of creation and of Adam and Eve, you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. So they weren't incapable of knowing it was wrong. He flat out told them not to!

Well I've read it. And it was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

If you don't know something is wrong, giving infinite punishment unto your descendants for doing it seems extreme and unfair, neh?
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4/21/2013 10:46:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 10:41:45 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:

First off, from the stance of the Catholic Church (oldest organized Christian denomination) the bible can be taken metaphorically, in some cases. The story of creation is not usually taken as a literal account of creation. Secondly, as for the bolded section, if you actually took the time to...umm...I don't know...read the bible, or at least the story of creation and of Adam and Eve, you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. So they weren't incapable of knowing it was wrong. He flat out told them not to!

Well I've read it. And it was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

If you don't know something is wrong, giving infinite punishment unto your descendants for doing it seems extreme and unfair, neh?

They did know it was wrong as explained by the person above.
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4/21/2013 11:33:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 10:46:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:41:45 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:

First off, from the stance of the Catholic Church (oldest organized Christian denomination) the bible can be taken metaphorically, in some cases. The story of creation is not usually taken as a literal account of creation. Secondly, as for the bolded section, if you actually took the time to...umm...I don't know...read the bible, or at least the story of creation and of Adam and Eve, you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. So they weren't incapable of knowing it was wrong. He flat out told them not to!

Well I've read it. And it was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

If you don't know something is wrong, giving infinite punishment unto your descendants for doing it seems extreme and unfair, neh?

They did know it was wrong as explained by the person above.

No, they didn't. They didn't know right from wrong according to the story.
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4/21/2013 11:42:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 11:33:41 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:46:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:41:45 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:

First off, from the stance of the Catholic Church (oldest organized Christian denomination) the bible can be taken metaphorically, in some cases. The story of creation is not usually taken as a literal account of creation. Secondly, as for the bolded section, if you actually took the time to...umm...I don't know...read the bible, or at least the story of creation and of Adam and Eve, you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. So they weren't incapable of knowing it was wrong. He flat out told them not to!

Well I've read it. And it was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

If you don't know something is wrong, giving infinite punishment unto your descendants for doing it seems extreme and unfair, neh?

They did know it was wrong as explained by the person above.

No, they didn't. They didn't know right from wrong according to the story.

They knew that daddy had said not to, but that's not the same as knowing it's wrong. A 3-year-old may know they're not supposed to paint the walls, but they don't understand why it's bad.
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4/21/2013 11:58:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 11:42:43 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/21/2013 11:33:41 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:46:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:41:45 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:

First off, from the stance of the Catholic Church (oldest organized Christian denomination) the bible can be taken metaphorically, in some cases. The story of creation is not usually taken as a literal account of creation. Secondly, as for the bolded section, if you actually took the time to...umm...I don't know...read the bible, or at least the story of creation and of Adam and Eve, you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. So they weren't incapable of knowing it was wrong. He flat out told them not to!

Well I've read it. And it was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

If you don't know something is wrong, giving infinite punishment unto your descendants for doing it seems extreme and unfair, neh?

They did know it was wrong as explained by the person above.

No, they didn't. They didn't know right from wrong according to the story.

They knew that daddy had said not to, but that's not the same as knowing it's wrong. A 3-year-old may know they're not supposed to paint the walls, but they don't understand why it's bad.

Alright cool I got no problem with that.
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4/22/2013 12:26:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 11:42:43 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/21/2013 11:33:41 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:46:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:41:45 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:

First off, from the stance of the Catholic Church (oldest organized Christian denomination) the bible can be taken metaphorically, in some cases. The story of creation is not usually taken as a literal account of creation. Secondly, as for the bolded section, if you actually took the time to...umm...I don't know...read the bible, or at least the story of creation and of Adam and Eve, you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. So they weren't incapable of knowing it was wrong. He flat out told them not to!

Well I've read it. And it was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

If you don't know something is wrong, giving infinite punishment unto your descendants for doing it seems extreme and unfair, neh?

They did know it was wrong as explained by the person above.

No, they didn't. They didn't know right from wrong according to the story.

They knew that daddy had said not to, but that's not the same as knowing it's wrong. A 3-year-old may know they're not supposed to paint the walls, but they don't understand why it's bad.:

That does not change they did what was told to them not too. You suggest questioning God. When I tell my child to do something, I expect it done, with or without explanation. But, Adam knew what death was, knew they would die if it was done, they did it anyway. You have no reasoning in your assertions.
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4/22/2013 12:41:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 12:26:02 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/21/2013 11:42:43 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/21/2013 11:33:41 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:46:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:41:45 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:

First off, from the stance of the Catholic Church (oldest organized Christian denomination) the bible can be taken metaphorically, in some cases. The story of creation is not usually taken as a literal account of creation. Secondly, as for the bolded section, if you actually took the time to...umm...I don't know...read the bible, or at least the story of creation and of Adam and Eve, you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. So they weren't incapable of knowing it was wrong. He flat out told them not to!

Well I've read it. And it was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

If you don't know something is wrong, giving infinite punishment unto your descendants for doing it seems extreme and unfair, neh?

They did know it was wrong as explained by the person above.

No, they didn't. They didn't know right from wrong according to the story.

They knew that daddy had said not to, but that's not the same as knowing it's wrong. A 3-year-old may know they're not supposed to paint the walls, but they don't understand why it's bad.:

That does not change they did what was told to them not too. You suggest questioning God. When I tell my child to do something, I expect it done, with or without explanation. But, Adam knew what death was, knew they would die if it was done, they did it anyway. You have no reasoning in your assertions.

What? The assertion was that they didn't know it was wrong. And the Bible clearly indicates they didn't know right from wrong.
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4/22/2013 1:07:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 12:41:05 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:

That does not change they did what was told to them not too. You suggest questioning God. When I tell my child to do something, I expect it done, with or without explanation. But, Adam knew what death was, knew they would die if it was done, they did it anyway. You have no reasoning in your assertions.

What? The assertion was that they didn't know it was wrong. And the Bible clearly indicates they didn't know right from wrong.

I think they knew very well that not listening to God was wrong. To just know about evil is not to be evil. You must act evil to be evil. The Bible actually says that they had no concept of good or evil. That means they were perfect for what they was created for. They were good before they knew what good was. They was not evil or knew about it until they did what God said not too. The tree was a symbol for them to be obedient to God. This symbolizes for man to be a servant to God without question. To question God is to be sinful.
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4/22/2013 1:22:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 12:26:02 AM, Pennington wrote:
When I tell my child to do something, I expect it done, with or without explanation.

That's all very well, but do you condemn them to death for disobeying you? It's all very well to say, "Don't eat the cookies, or the bogeyman will get you," but it's another thing entirely to become the bogeyman when they don't do as you said. Adam and Eve may well have understood that "death" meant "goes bye-bye", but they couldn't possibly have understood the reality and horror of it. And what the hell is with condemning Eve to painful childbirth and subjugation by her husband? That's just sick.
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4/22/2013 1:28:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
1. Which God, Yahweh or Jesus?

2. Yahweh has done many cruel things, but what you listed is not one of them.

3. The real issue is the fact that mankind has to suffer the consequences of their ancestors crime millions of years ago. If a dad blows up people, should his 3 year old son be thrown in the slammer for life?
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4/22/2013 1:32:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 1:28:36 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
1. Which God, Yahweh or Jesus?
They are the same. The Old Testament God is the New Testament God.

2. Yahweh has done many cruel things, but what you listed is not one of them.

3. The real issue is the fact that mankind has to suffer the consequences of their ancestors crime millions of years ago. If a dad blows up people, should his 3 year old son be thrown in the slammer for life?
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4/22/2013 5:51:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 12:26:02 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/21/2013 11:42:43 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/21/2013 11:33:41 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:46:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:41:45 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:

First off, from the stance of the Catholic Church (oldest organized Christian denomination) the bible can be taken metaphorically, in some cases. The story of creation is not usually taken as a literal account of creation. Secondly, as for the bolded section, if you actually took the time to...umm...I don't know...read the bible, or at least the story of creation and of Adam and Eve, you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. So they weren't incapable of knowing it was wrong. He flat out told them not to!

Well I've read it. And it was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

If you don't know something is wrong, giving infinite punishment unto your descendants for doing it seems extreme and unfair, neh?

They did know it was wrong as explained by the person above.

No, they didn't. They didn't know right from wrong according to the story.

They knew that daddy had said not to, but that's not the same as knowing it's wrong. A 3-year-old may know they're not supposed to paint the walls, but they don't understand why it's bad.:

That does not change they did what was told to them not too. You suggest questioning God. When I tell my child to do something, I expect it done, with or without explanation. But, Adam knew what death was, knew they would die if it was done, they did it anyway. You have no reasoning in your assertions.

Where does it say that he knew that?
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4/22/2013 5:55:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 5:50:48 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Most Christians take Genesis to be metaphorical, but I've never heard an explanation as to what what the metaphor explains.:

They would be incorrect. Just a easy way to keep face instead of standing on what you suppose to believe.
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4/22/2013 5:57:10 AM
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At 4/22/2013 5:51:42 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

That does not change they did what was told to them not too. You suggest questioning God. When I tell my child to do something, I expect it done, with or without explanation. But, Adam knew what death was, knew they would die if it was done, they did it anyway. You have no reasoning in your assertions.

Where does it say that he knew that?:

Thou shalt surely die. Seems to suggest Adam and Eve knew what death was. I would think animals died.
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4/22/2013 6:21:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:
. . . . you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree.
Could you show me where Story book god commanded the Woman not to partake of the TOTKOG&E?
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4/22/2013 6:30:31 AM
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At 4/22/2013 6:21:26 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:
. . . . you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree.
Could you show me where Story book god commanded the Woman not to partake of the TOTKOG&E?

Who knows what TOTKOG&E is? Next time give us some more vowels.

And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Seems God or Adam told Eve something before she ate of it.
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4/22/2013 6:34:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 5:57:10 AM, Pennington wrote:
Thou shalt surely die.
Hey eternal jew boy reject!

Gen. 2:16-17 Story book god lied when it said Adam would die the Day he partook!

Adam didn't die in any way that Day, neither literally or spiritually as some dimwits have suggested!

The Serpent was the teller of Truth and Story book god was the liar!

At 4/22/2013 5:57:10 AM, Pennington wrote:
Seems to suggest Adam and Eve knew what death was. I would think animals died.
Hey jebus fraud & eternal jew boy reject, Adam didn't know what Good or Evil was , so even IF we use your inept claim, Adam wouldn't have known if Death was Good Or Bad for himself!

The a$$-hole narcissitic bastard of a god that rejected you; used coercion and threats against Adam, hence denying Adam of a Free-Will choice, even IF he knew what to choose to do or whether to partake or not in the first place!

What's your theory as a jebus the eternal jew boy reject why Story book gods reason for denying the knowledge of Good?

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!
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4/22/2013 6:52:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 6:30:31 AM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/22/2013 6:21:26 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/21/2013 10:00:02 PM, EvanK wrote:
. . . . you might notice that God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree.
Could you show me where Story book god commanded the Woman not to partake of the TOTKOG&E?

At 4/22/2013 6:30:31 AM, Pennington wrote:
Who knows what TOTKOG&E is? Next time give us some more vowels.

Tree Of The Knowledge of Good & Evil!

I notice also nowhere could you show me that Story book god commanded Eve not to partake!

At 4/22/2013 6:30:31 AM, Pennington wrote:
And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Eve was mistaken in believing that Story book god had commanded her not to partake!

It didn't so her Story came from elsewhere!

At 4/22/2013 6:30:31 AM, Pennington wrote:
Seems God or Adam told Eve something before she ate of it.
You have NO evidence to provide that Story book god told Eve the same as it told Adam!

The Serpent of the Genesis narrative was the teller of Truth, whilst Story book god was the liar!

Your vindicated mentor moi!
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4/22/2013 9:04:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 9:30:12 PM, APB wrote:
You only need to look at first 4 chapters of Genesis to see this.

- God made Adam and Eve in a state of childlike innocence.

- He put a bad tree in the garden, knowing it posed a risk to their safety (irresponsible).

- He blamed them for eating from the tree, despite them being incapable of knowing it was wrong until after they'd eaten from it (unfair).

- He made childbirth painful, cursed the ground and condemned mankind to death, all because two innocent children ate from a tree (petty, cruel AND misogynistic).

- He cast them out of Eden so they couldn't eat from the tree of life and become immortal AND wise like God (jealous).

- He rudely rejected Cain's offering for no good reason, told him to suck it up, then acted shocked when Cain got jealous and angry at Abel.

In other words, God is an a$$hole. And the rest of the Bible proves this.

You know what we should do? We should use Gene Therapy to extend our lifespans and remain youthful, just to spite the old bugger who took immortality away from us.

Obviously the Christian God is petty. This is why I would never worship such a vile thing.
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4/22/2013 9:11:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 6:34:18 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/22/2013 5:57:10 AM, Pennington wrote:
Thou shalt surely die.
Hey eternal jew boy reject!

Gen. 2:16-17 Story book god lied when it said Adam would die the Day he partook!

Adam didn't die in any way that Day, neither literally or spiritually as some dimwits have suggested!:
Physical death was established here. You have no clue what the Bible says. Why don't you just not talk about it unless you are learning.

The Serpent was the teller of Truth and Story book god was the liar!:
Show that is the case. You can't.

At 4/22/2013 5:57:10 AM, Pennington wrote:
Seems to suggest Adam and Eve knew what death was. I would think animals died.
Hey jebus fraud & eternal jew boy reject, Adam didn't know what Good or Evil was , so even IF we use your inept claim, Adam wouldn't have known if Death was Good Or Bad for himself!:
He knew that He must obey God.

The a$$-hole narcissitic bastard of a god that rejected you; used coercion and threats against Adam, hence denying Adam of a Free-Will choice, even IF he knew what to choose to do or whether to partake or not in the first place!:
Count the contradictions in that sentence.

What's your theory as a jebus the eternal jew boy reject why Story book gods reason for denying the knowledge of Good?:
They already had the knowledge of good. The knowledge was evil. Evil and good are separate, therefore by doing evil would they know good.

Your vindicated mentor & literal Saviour moi!
When will you offer us a intelligent discourse? When will you vindicate yourself?
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4/22/2013 9:56:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 9:30:12 PM, APB wrote:
You only need to look at first 4 chapters of Genesis to see this.

- God made Adam and Eve in a state of childlike innocence.

- He put a bad tree in the garden, knowing it posed a risk to their safety (irresponsible).

- He blamed them for eating from the tree, despite them being incapable of knowing it was wrong until after they'd eaten from it (unfair).

- He made childbirth painful, cursed the ground and condemned mankind to death, all because two innocent children ate from a tree (petty, cruel AND misogynistic).

- He cast them out of Eden so they couldn't eat from the tree of life and become immortal AND wise like God (jealous).

- He rudely rejected Cain's offering for no good reason, told him to suck it up, then acted shocked when Cain got jealous and angry at Abel.

In other words, God is an a$$hole. And the rest of the Bible proves this.

You know what we should do? We should use Gene Therapy to extend our lifespans and remain youthful, just to spite the old bugger who took immortality away from us.

Childlike, not stupid. Eat of it and you'll die, simple instructions, no hidden meaning.
Eat it =death.
Sorry you got a lump of coal for christmas. Hey, thats it, live longer that'll teach, ......whoever. You've lived longer than you should already, and you're still miserable.
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They were not immortal, they had to have a test first, then, they could eat of the tree of life and live forever. It's ok, we all make stupid mistakes. Move forward! Have a good one!
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4/22/2013 10:01:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 9:56:38 PM, Suqua wrote:
At 4/21/2013 9:30:12 PM, APB wrote:
You only need to look at first 4 chapters of Genesis to see this.

- God made Adam and Eve in a state of childlike innocence.

- He put a bad tree in the garden, knowing it posed a risk to their safety (irresponsible).

- He blamed them for eating from the tree, despite them being incapable of knowing it was wrong until after they'd eaten from it (unfair).

- He made childbirth painful, cursed the ground and condemned mankind to death, all because two innocent children ate from a tree (petty, cruel AND misogynistic).

- He cast them out of Eden so they couldn't eat from the tree of life and become immortal AND wise like God (jealous).

- He rudely rejected Cain's offering for no good reason, told him to suck it up, then acted shocked when Cain got jealous and angry at Abel.

In other words, God is an a$$hole. And the rest of the Bible proves this.

You know what we should do? We should use Gene Therapy to extend our lifespans and remain youthful, just to spite the old bugger who took immortality away from us.

Childlike, not stupid. Eat of it and you'll die, simple instructions, no hidden meaning.
Eat it =death.
Sorry you got a lump of coal for christmas. Hey, thats it, live longer that'll teach, ......whoever. You've lived longer than you should already, and you're still miserable.
Horrible mothers, "put your hand in that meatgrinder and you'll lose it", I hate it when their right, took all the fun out of it.
They were not immortal, they had to have a test first, then, they could eat of the tree of life and live forever. It's ok, we all make stupid mistakes. Move forward! Have a good one!

Oh, by the way, you can have immortality if you really want it, but that's in your choice.
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4/22/2013 11:53:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Man, I like the OP. I've never seen that one before. Kudos for an original concept.
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4/23/2013 12:18:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I wonder if it is petty and cruel to kill the few for the many, for the future? If it is petty and cruel to end disease? I guess Bokononism is a witty, satirical retort to the methods that God uses us to play his cruel joke. When the final "punchline" is about to be delivered, the Bokononists, who seem to have always anticipated an end to this prank called life, willingly eat the punchline and kill themselves.
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4/23/2013 12:23:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/21/2013 9:30:12 PM, APB wrote:
You only need to look at first 4 chapters of Genesis to see this.

- God made Adam and Eve in a state of childlike innocence.

- He put a bad tree in the garden, knowing it posed a risk to their safety (irresponsible).

- He blamed them for eating from the tree, despite them being incapable of knowing it was wrong until after they'd eaten from it (unfair).

- He made childbirth painful, cursed the ground and condemned mankind to death, all because two innocent children ate from a tree (petty, cruel AND misogynistic).

- He cast them out of Eden so they couldn't eat from the tree of life and become immortal AND wise like God (jealous).

- He rudely rejected Cain's offering for no good reason, told him to suck it up, then acted shocked when Cain got jealous and angry at Abel.

In other words, God is an a$$hole. And the rest of the Bible proves this.

You know what we should do? We should use Gene Therapy to extend our lifespans and remain youthful, just to spite the old bugger who took immortality away from us.

Just like a child to complain it's not fair or that's not right. Sorry to tell you this my friend, but the truth is the truth whether you like it or not. Grow up please. Look around my dear, the world ain't all fair and wonderful and it's not Gods fault were all stupid to do wrong things even if it's telling a little white lie or dishonoring our parents or whatever we do that may seem small to us.. There's a price for everything.. If a person commits crime they go to jail.. <- law breaking.. It's the same thing with God.. Adam and Eve knew what they were doing just like kids know what they're doing.. There's no excuse.. Everyone needs to learn to man up and woman up to their wrong doings by being responsible not pointing the finger at someone else like Adam did by blaming God then blamed eve.. Stop blaming and be responsible!
"What is sin? It is the glory of God not honored. Holiness of God not reverenced. Greatness of God not admired. Power of God not praised. Truth of God not sought. Wisdom of God not esteemed. Beauty of God not treasured. Goodness of God not savored. Faithfulness of God not trusted. Commandments of God not obeyed. Justice of God not respected. Wrath of God not feared. Grace of God not cherished. Presence of God not prized. Person of God not loved. That is sin." ~John Piper
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4/23/2013 12:26:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 1:28:36 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
1. Which God, Yahweh or Jesus?

2. Yahweh has done many cruel things, but what you listed is not one of them.

3. The real issue is the fact that mankind has to suffer the consequences of their ancestors crime millions of years ago. If a dad blows up people, should his 3 year old son be thrown in the slammer for life?

God has many names and Yahweh happens to be one of them.. And Jesus is God's Son.. So God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.. In one essence... One Being.. Known as the Triune God..
"What is sin? It is the glory of God not honored. Holiness of God not reverenced. Greatness of God not admired. Power of God not praised. Truth of God not sought. Wisdom of God not esteemed. Beauty of God not treasured. Goodness of God not savored. Faithfulness of God not trusted. Commandments of God not obeyed. Justice of God not respected. Wrath of God not feared. Grace of God not cherished. Presence of God not prized. Person of God not loved. That is sin." ~John Piper
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4/23/2013 1:00:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/22/2013 5:50:48 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Most Christians take Genesis to be metaphorical, but I've never heard an explanation as to what what the metaphor explains.

"Most Christians" believe Adam, Eve, the garden, the tree, and the serpent to be metaphorical - yet these same folks, ("most" of them, anyway) who have studied the account to that degree can't even explain the metaphor? They just know that it's a metaphor?

Somehow I find that doubtful. I simply haven't run in to very many Christians who decided that there was no Adam, Eve, garden, serpent, etc.
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