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4/29/2013 5:02:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org... so, this village in Japan is claiming to be the resting place of Jesus, and that it was his brother who died on the cross...

Just thought it was weird, discus?
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4/29/2013 5:06:10 PM
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4/29/2013 5:46:17 PM
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It would be really interesting if we had more to go on. It's described in the article as a legend that began in 1933 when some ancient Hebrew documents were found about it, but now those documents have disappeared. Since we no longer have those documents, we can't verify that the story is true. We'd need to be able to date those documents to the first century, and we'd need to be able to determine that they are actually talking about the same person as the Jesus of Christianity, and that they say what the legend claims they say about him. Without those documents, the legend doesn't have any historical value.
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4/29/2013 5:48:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I wonder if the whole thing is similar to the Book of Mormon where Joseph Smith claimed to have found ancient American writings on golden plates, but that after his translation, the plates were taken away by an angel so that nobody can examine them. Maybe those Hebrew writings that disappeared never existed to begin with, and the whole thing was made up like Joseph Smith's golden plates.
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4/29/2013 7:08:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/29/2013 5:02:16 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org... so, this village in Japan is claiming to be the resting place of Jesus, and that it was his brother who died on the cross...

Just thought it was weird, discus?

It's interesting, and apparently profitable, the town has les than 2,800 residents, in addition to the tomb there is a museum and gift shop that serve over 20,000 pilgrims a year. It might be wierd, but considering that, it makes sense
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4/29/2013 7:24:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
falseness. jesus is lord and loves all peoples but he didnt even like know of japans people. it doesn't make sense.
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4/29/2013 7:36:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/29/2013 7:24:48 PM, Sanfran wrote:
falseness. jesus is lord and loves all peoples but he didnt even like know of japans people. it doesn't make sense.

No. That did not make sense.
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4/29/2013 7:36:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/29/2013 5:02:16 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org... so, this village in Japan is claiming to be the resting place of Jesus, and that it was his brother who died on the cross...

Just thought it was weird, discus?

Ha!
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4/29/2013 7:37:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/29/2013 7:36:21 PM, Pennington wrote:
At 4/29/2013 7:24:48 PM, Sanfran wrote:
falseness. jesus is lord and loves all peoples but he didnt even like know of japans people. it doesn't make sense.

No. That did not make sense.

japan didnt even exist yet probably lol. but maybe.,
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4/29/2013 9:18:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/29/2013 5:02:16 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org... so, this village in Japan is claiming to be the resting place of Jesus, and that it was his brother who died on the cross...

Just thought it was weird, discus?

Oh, and the normal Jesus story seems normal to you?
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4/30/2013 5:37:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/29/2013 5:46:17 PM, philochristos wrote:
It would be really interesting if we had more to go on. It's described in the article as a legend that began in 1933 when some ancient Hebrew documents were found about it, but now those documents have disappeared. Since we no longer have those documents, we can't verify that the story is true. We'd need to be able to date those documents to the first century, and we'd need to be able to determine that they are actually talking about the same person as the Jesus of Christianity, and that they say what the legend claims they say about him. Without those documents, the legend doesn't have any historical value.

Yeah, apparently the documents were taken and never seen again? Well, it's still a pretty interesting story.
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4/30/2013 6:22:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Well It doesn't seem any possible according to christan history! did Jessu even have a brother ?!

But in Islam we do believe that the person crussified was not Jesus, but another person that was given his appearance! and that God saved him from Jews plot to kill him and rised him to heaven.
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4/30/2013 6:34:43 AM
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"And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. (157)

But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. (158)

There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them - (159)" Quran/4

The last verse reffers to Jesus-peace be upon him- coming back.
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4/30/2013 9:30:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/30/2013 6:22:50 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Well It doesn't seem any possible according to christan history! did Jessu even have a brother ?!

Yes, according to the Bible he had four brothers, James, Joses, Judas and Simon, he also has sisters but they are not named. (Of course, many Christians believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary, to them the word brother is interpreted more widely and could mean cousins or other relatives, or they believe they were siblings from Joseph and another mother.

But in Islam we do believe that the person crussified was not Jesus, but another person that was given his appearance! and that God saved him from Jews plot to kill him and rised him to heaven.

I'm aware of that.
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4/30/2013 10:45:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Sidewalker

So you guys don't know for sure who those people are ? who are their parents ?

Is Judas(the brother) the one who betrayed Jesus peace be upon him ?

If Mary did get married and had other kids this wouldn't make her any less a great woman. but did she actually get married ?