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Amanda_Haden
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5/16/2013 6:22:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This topic has been debatable shortly after the Soviet Union has collapsed in 1991 because we as Westerners have to have an enemy at all times.
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5/16/2013 6:26:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Not intrinsically, no. Any group can contain terrorists. Technically, some important people involved in the American revolution were terrorists.
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5/16/2013 6:33:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Some of us are. For example, the militants who fire rockets against civilians in Israel. Terrorism at default. Most happen to be peaceful, and since the count is 1.7 billion, it is unlikely all will behave well. Cultures vary. Muslims who are ethnic Europeans, such as myself, have a different religious culture compared to most other Islamic societies. Some Muslims in India follow the Hindu caste system -- none do in Nigeria or Turkey. Some wage wars, some don't.
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5/16/2013 7:10:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"Some of us are. For example, the militants who fire rockets against civilians in Israel." But doesn't Israel do that with Palestinians ALL the time?
Because I found this: "Approximately 1.5 million Palestinian civilians have died since 1948,including the victims of the ethnic cleansing campaigns in the west in 1948-50 and in the east since 1967."
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5/16/2013 7:23:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 7:10:49 PM, Amanda_Haden wrote:
But doesn't Israel do that with Palestinians ALL the time?
Civilians on either side should be treated as innocents. And two wrongs don't make one right.
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5/16/2013 7:29:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"Civilians on either side should be treated as innocents. And two wrongs don't make one right."
I agree with you on this one. But you can't deny the fact the Israel started this whole conflict.
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5/16/2013 10:18:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 6:33:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
Some of us are. For example, the militants who fire rockets against civilians in Israel. Terrorism at default. Most happen to be peaceful, and since the count is 1.7 billion, it is unlikely all will behave well. Cultures vary. Muslims who are ethnic Europeans, such as myself, have a different religious culture compared to most other Islamic societies. Some Muslims in India follow the Hindu caste system -- none do in Nigeria or Turkey. Some wage wars, some don't.

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5/16/2013 10:23:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 7:29:24 PM, Amanda_Haden wrote:
"Civilians on either side should be treated as innocents. And two wrongs don't make one right."
I agree with you on this one. But you can't deny the fact the Israel started this whole conflict.

Would you care to debate that?

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You seem to be over simplifying things, life is not black and wight, it's varying shades of grey.
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5/16/2013 10:25:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Maybe
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5/16/2013 10:42:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Terrorism is absolutely forbidden in Islam. You're not allowed to intentionally target women, children, the elderly, laborers and people in cloisters. This is clear in the Sunnah. Anyone who actually researches this will see this very fact. You're also absolutely forbidden to kill another Muslim, which is what they do a lot as well.

But some heretics twist the Sunnah, which is actually impossible, because the Sunnah is clear on it. Really, they are doing it mostly in revenge. Some actually believe it's okay, but it's not.

However if groups such as al-Qaeda and the like were to start following the rules, and only target the militaries of the West, then that is acceptable, and it is not terrorism, it's war.
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5/16/2013 11:15:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
i think every body know the reality but pretend whatever they see other talking and believe.
if a Muslim use word jihad they call him terrorist.
actually jihad is Arabic word use for war.
means war.
and mujahedin meas a soldiers.
every body know what is new world order.
and every body know the Muslims are fighting the battle of survival. and its vital on their part.
and every body knows if they follow u and don't fight back.
than they are no more on the world map.
Zionist already believe that every human being is animal other than themselves.
so they say if they get killed no pro at all.
well its long deep "great game" .
in short whatever any body thinks and call us terrorist or jihadist or whatever warriors or fighters or soldier.
ALLAH is with us and he is giving us victory thanks to him.,
we are not right path and we dont hurt innocent.
well than who are those who kills the civilians.
indeed bad guys and even not Muslims. most of them are financed by non Muslims.
but remaining are kids who are brain washed by devils (some religious scholars i should not use scholars but so called they are).
so the "great games" and "new world order" is so much complex.
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5/16/2013 11:19:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 11:15:47 PM, makhdoom5 wrote:
i think every body know the reality but pretend whatever they see other talking and believe.
if a Muslim use word jihad they call him terrorist.
actually jihad is Arabic word use for war.
means war.
and mujahedin meas a soldiers.
every body know what is new world order.
and every body know the Muslims are fighting the battle of survival. and its vital on their part.
and every body knows if they follow u and don't fight back.
than they are no more on the world map.
Zionist already believe that every human being is animal other than themselves.
so they say if they got killed no pro at all.
well its long deep "great game" .
in short whatever any body thinks and call us terrorist or jihadist or whatever warriors or fighters or soldier.
ALLAH is with us and he is giving us victory thanks to him.,
we are on right path and we don't hurt innocent.
well than who are those who kills the civilians.
indeed bad guys and even not Muslims. most of them are financed by non Muslims.
but remaining are kids who are brain washed by devils (some religious scholars i should not use scholars but so called they are).
so the "great games" and "new world order" is so much complex.

(corrections above)
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5/16/2013 11:21:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 11:19:01 PM, makhdoom5 wrote:
At 5/16/2013 11:15:47 PM, makhdoom5 wrote:
i think every body know the reality but pretend whatever they see other talking and believe.
if a Muslim use word jihad they call him terrorist.
actually jihad is Arabic word use for war.
means war.
and mujahedin meas a soldiers.
every body know what is new world order.
and every body know the Muslims are fighting the battle of survival. and its vital on their part.
and every body knows if they follow u and don't fight back.
than they are no more on the world map.
Zionist already believe that every human being is animal other than themselves.
so they say if they got killed no pro at all.
well its long deep "great game" .
in short whatever any body thinks and call us terrorist or jihadist or whatever warriors or fighters or soldier.
ALLAH is with us and he is giving us victory thanks to him.,
we are on right path and we don't hurt innocent.
well than who are those who kills the civilians.
indeed bad guys and even not Muslims. most of them are financed by non Muslims.
but remaining are kids who are brain washed by devils (some religious scholars i should not use scholars but so called they are).
so the "great games" and "new world order" is so much complex.

(corrections above)

Wow, the corrections made such a huge difference! :) Your english is now fantastic!
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5/16/2013 11:22:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:42:03 PM, Talib.ul-Ilm wrote:
You're not allowed to intentionally target women

Good joke man... Made me laugh. =D
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5/16/2013 11:37:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 6:22:05 PM, Amanda_Haden wrote:
This topic has been debatable shortly after the Soviet Union has collapsed in 1991 because we as Westerners have to have an enemy at all times.

If you're going to pick an arbitrary date, it's 1983 that islamic terrorist became big for americans.

But thanks for the sociology 101.
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5/17/2013 3:46:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Some people are, some muslims are, some Christians are, some Budhists are, Some Jews are, some Liberals are, ect , you could say some humans are, it doesn't depend on what religion or what political views.

But not more terrorists from muslims than from the rest of religions...
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5/17/2013 1:54:42 PM
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The term terrorist is very broad. Any person of any faith or no faith at all could be classed as a terrorist. Although the Muslims are often stereotyped as a terrorist organisation by certain groups or people it is evident that anyone can become what one would describe as a terrorist.
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5/17/2013 1:56:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/17/2013 1:54:42 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
The term terrorist is very broad. Any person of any faith or no faith at all could be classed as a terrorist. Although the Muslims are often stereotyped as a terrorist organisation by certain groups or people it is evident that anyone can become what one would describe as a terrorist.

I wonder what type of terrorist killed you though.
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5/20/2013 12:47:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/17/2013 3:46:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Some people are, some muslims are, some Christians are, some Budhists are, Some Jews are, some Liberals are, ect , you could say some humans are, it doesn't depend on what religion or what political views.

But not more terrorists from muslims than from the rest of religions...

Evidence?
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5/20/2013 1:09:58 PM
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Those that follow Yahusha the Messiah ( who proceeds from YHWH the Heavenly Father are NOT terrorists.) Look at what Yahushua did on the execution stake, terrorists don't die for the sins of the world, and even though His followers cannot die for the sins of the world we still follow Him, Hence we are not terrorists, and Yahshua never started a religion.

He promoted true Judaism and completed Torah. Don't start calling True Judaism a religion.

RELIGION, n. relij'on. [L. religio, from religo, to bind anew; re and ligo, to bind. This word seems originally to have signified an oath or vow to the gods, or the obligation of such an oath or vow, which was held very sacred by the Romans.]

Notice how it says gods...denoting many, well YHWH is Echad or one and Elohim is plural. So obviously man cannot comphrehend Him without His understanding.

Completion does not involve the act of disposal or "doing away" my confused Christian bros. Oh, by the way truth offends, look what they did to Yahusha, He put Himself up there by His own authority which is from the Father, yes, but He allowed offended men to do it because He would have sinned if He condemned Himself.
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5/20/2013 2:59:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/20/2013 12:47:42 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/17/2013 3:46:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Some people are, some muslims are, some Christians are, some Budhists are, Some Jews are, some Liberals are, ect , you could say some humans are, it doesn't depend on what religion or what political views.

But not more terrorists from muslims than from the rest of religions...

Evidence?

http://whatreallyhappened.com...

Yes the people of the media manipulate the truth like they want, and you didn't see anything yet little rabbit.
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5/20/2013 3:31:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/20/2013 2:59:42 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 5/20/2013 12:47:42 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/17/2013 3:46:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Some people are, some muslims are, some Christians are, some Budhists are, Some Jews are, some Liberals are, ect , you could say some humans are, it doesn't depend on what religion or what political views.

But not more terrorists from muslims than from the rest of religions...

Evidence?

http://whatreallyhappened.com...

That's Evidence?
That's an anti-semitic conspiracy site which blames 9-11 and the Boston bombing on the Israeli Mossad and American Government.
They provide no link to their "statistics".
They choose very interesting range for there data 1980-2005, that's called gerrymandering statistics to fit your agenda. How about trying 2000-2013?
Finally, the statistics are skewed in that there are very few Muslims in the U.S. altogether, there are many times more Latinos and other groups than there are Muslims in the U.S., the "statistics" fail to take that into account.
And one more thing it treats all terrorists attacks as one so something like 9-11 is given the same significant as the other minor incidents.
Oh, but of course according to that site Muslims are responsible for neither.

Yes the people of the media manipulate the truth like they want, and you didn't see anything yet little rabbit.

Is that supposed to be a threat?
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5/20/2013 5:45:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/20/2013 3:31:54 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
At 5/20/2013 2:59:42 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 5/20/2013 12:47:42 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/17/2013 3:46:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Some people are, some muslims are, some Christians are, some Budhists are, Some Jews are, some Liberals are, ect , you could say some humans are, it doesn't depend on what religion or what political views.

But not more terrorists from muslims than from the rest of religions...

Evidence?

http://whatreallyhappened.com...

That's Evidence?
That's an anti-semitic conspiracy site which blames 9-11 and the Boston bombing on the Israeli Mossad and American Government.
They provide no link to their "statistics".
They choose very interesting range for there data 1980-2005, that's called gerrymandering statistics to fit your agenda. How about trying 2000-2013?
Finally, the statistics are skewed in that there are very few Muslims in the U.S. altogether, there are many times more Latinos and other groups than there are Muslims in the U.S., the "statistics" fail to take that into account.
And one more thing it treats all terrorists attacks as one so something like 9-11 is given the same significant as the other minor incidents.
Oh, but of course according to that site Muslims are responsible for neither.

Yes the people of the media manipulate the truth like they want, and you didn't see anything yet little rabbit.

Is that supposed to be a threat?

Personally I believe that 9/11 is an inside job, I was doubting a little before they "pretend " to catch and kill Benladen , but once they did it the way they did ,I' m just 100 per cent sure it's an inside job. and you guys are really stupid if you believe your lying government who think only about their own interest! it's enough sad there is no evidence the attacks were led by muslim extremists!!

http://www.911proof.com...

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5/20/2013 5:48:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/17/2013 3:46:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Some people are, some muslims are, some Christians are, some Budhists are, Some Jews are, some Liberals are, ect , you could say some humans are, it doesn't depend on what religion or what political views.

But not more terrorists from muslims than from the rest of religions...

All those peace-mongering Buddhist terrorists. Off with their heads!
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5/20/2013 5:59:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/20/2013 5:48:24 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 5/17/2013 3:46:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Some people are, some muslims are, some Christians are, some Budhists are, Some Jews are, some Liberals are, ect , you could say some humans are, it doesn't depend on what religion or what political views.

But not more terrorists from muslims than from the rest of religions...

All those peace-mongering Buddhist terrorists. Off with their heads!

You know about Burma don't you ?
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5/20/2013 6:01:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/20/2013 5:48:24 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
All those peace-mongering Buddhist terrorists. Off with their heads!
Clearly your head is off kid. Learn history. Off you go.
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5/20/2013 6:26:55 PM
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At 5/20/2013 5:59:18 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 5/20/2013 5:48:24 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 5/17/2013 3:46:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Some people are, some muslims are, some Christians are, some Budhists are, Some Jews are, some Liberals are, ect , you could say some humans are, it doesn't depend on what religion or what political views.

But not more terrorists from muslims than from the rest of religions...

All those peace-mongering Buddhist terrorists. Off with their heads!

You know about Burma don't you ?

There's a difference between terrorists who are Buddhists and Buddhists who explicitly instigate terror as part of their religion.
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