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5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

What do you think would be different than what we find today??
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5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.


What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

The kind of phenomena books of myth say actually happened.


What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

That a creator exists.


What do you think would be different than what we find today??

No need to indoctrinate youths in order to get people to believe.
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5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself.

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

The kind of phenomena books of myth say actually happened.

You'll have to narrow "books of myth" down for me. I can't tell if you're referring to evolutionary textbooks and publications, or religious books.

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

That a creator exists.

What scientific findings can show that to you??

What do you think would be different than what we find today??

No need to indoctrinate youths in order to get people to believe.

I'm in full agreement and we're trying to get that stopped but evolutionists keep doing it anyway.
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5/18/2013 6:50:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself.

He isn't obvious to me.


What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

The kind of phenomena books of myth say actually happened.

You'll have to narrow "books of myth" down for me.

I don't have to do that at all.

I can't tell if you're referring to evolutionary textbooks and publications, or religious books.

Yes you can, you're just being a troll here.


What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

That a creator exists.

What scientific findings can show that to you??

I'll leave that to the scientists.


What do you think would be different than what we find today??

No need to indoctrinate youths in order to get people to believe.

I'm in full agreement and we're trying to get that stopped

No you aren't, and no you aren't.
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5/18/2013 8:14:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

What do you think would be different than what we find today??

Exactly as it is today ;)
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5/18/2013 8:24:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If Creation were true --

Well actually, if Creation were true I would wish that Creation did not occur in the first place.

This world is a dangerous place.
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5/18/2013 8:59:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If it's a just and loving creator I would expect things that cause unnecessary suffering not to exist, such as parasites and diseases that do nothing but maim and kill us. This may be a little off topic but if the creator is just then I wouldn't expect a place of eternal torment for people that have committed finite crimes, which is by definition unjust.
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5/18/2013 9:38:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/18/2013 8:14:27 PM, Sola.Gratia wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

What do you think would be different than what we find today??

Exactly as it is today ;)

DING- DING- DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
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5/18/2013 9:41:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I know the objections that atheists bring against God but I was trying to get answers on the scientific side of the issue.
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5/18/2013 9:45:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

Having a meaning or purpose.

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

I would expect to see things I am not able to do.

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

To agree or to stay unable to explain.

What do you think would be different than what we find today??

If we are going by Bible doctrine then evolution only. If we are side tracking parts then nothing.
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5/19/2013 10:04:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/18/2013 9:38:26 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 8:14:27 PM, Sola.Gratia wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

What do you think would be different than what we find today??

Exactly as it is today ;)

DING- DING- DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

If you just wanted someone to fellate you, you could have just sent out a PM.
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5/19/2013 10:17:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 10:04:33 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 9:38:26 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 8:14:27 PM, Sola.Gratia wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

What do you think would be different than what we find today??

Exactly as it is today ;)

DING- DING- DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

If you just wanted someone to fellate you, you could have just sent out a PM.

Oh snap!
medic0506
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5/19/2013 12:54:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 10:04:33 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 9:38:26 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 8:14:27 PM, Sola.Gratia wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

What do you think would be different than what we find today??

Exactly as it is today ;)

DING- DING- DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

If you just wanted someone to fellate you, you could have just sent out a PM.

I would have but I figured you were already busy fellatiating.
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5/19/2013 1:07:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 12:54:29 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 10:04:33 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 9:38:26 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 8:14:27 PM, Sola.Gratia wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

What do you think would be different than what we find today??

Exactly as it is today ;)

DING- DING- DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

If you just wanted someone to fellate you, you could have just sent out a PM.

I would have but I figured you were already busy fellatiating.

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5/19/2013 1:19:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself. I can do a better job convincing people I exist than God can, and I am not omnipotent.

The fact that there are so many religions and sects confirms that God is not obvious and there is much confusion over him.
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5/19/2013 4:07:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 1:19:06 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself. I can do a better job convincing people I exist than God can, and I am not omnipotent.

The fact that there are so many religions and sects confirms that God is not obvious and there is much confusion over him.

So many religions is evidence that a creator is obvious. Different sects just means that people disagree over details. The fact that they are all reading from the same book is proof that man is the one creating the conflict.
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5/19/2013 4:10:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 4:07:27 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 1:19:06 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself. I can do a better job convincing people I exist than God can, and I am not omnipotent.

The fact that there are so many religions and sects confirms that God is not obvious and there is much confusion over him.

So many religions is evidence that a creator is obvious. Different sects just means that people disagree over details. The fact that they are all reading from the same book is proof that man is the one creating the conflict.

No, it really isn't. It's evidence that people find comfort in filling in the gaps of their knowledge, and in thinking that a "higher power" is looking out for them. Which is not necessarily to badmouth your religion, per se, but obviously you don't think the Greeks and Romans had the right ideas about religion...which would indicate their beliefs, at least, were along the lines of which I speak.

It doesn't disprove it, either, really, except as proof that certainly, the details are not "obvious".
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5/19/2013 4:14:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 1:07:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/19/2013 12:54:29 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 10:04:33 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 9:38:26 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 8:14:27 PM, Sola.Gratia wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

What kind of phenomena would you expect to see??

What would you expect scientific findings to reveal??

What do you think would be different than what we find today??

Exactly as it is today ;)

DING- DING- DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

If you just wanted someone to fellate you, you could have just sent out a PM.

I would have but I figured you were already busy fellatiating.

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lol...you ain't right.
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5/19/2013 4:14:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself.

Then why is such knowledge only a few thousand years old?
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5/19/2013 4:27:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 4:14:45 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself.

Then why is such knowledge only a few thousand years old?

Knowledge of a creator pre-existed the actual writing of the Bible. Why God chose that particular time frame is beyond my ability to know.
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5/19/2013 4:29:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 4:10:42 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:07:27 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 1:19:06 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself. I can do a better job convincing people I exist than God can, and I am not omnipotent.

The fact that there are so many religions and sects confirms that God is not obvious and there is much confusion over him.

So many religions is evidence that a creator is obvious. Different sects just means that people disagree over details. The fact that they are all reading from the same book is proof that man is the one creating the conflict.

No, it really isn't. It's evidence that people find comfort in filling in the gaps of their knowledge, and in thinking that a "higher power" is looking out for them.

Without being omniscient, how do you know that to be true??

Which is not necessarily to badmouth your religion, per se, but obviously you don't think the Greeks and Romans had the right ideas about religion...which would indicate their beliefs, at least, were along the lines of which I speak.

It doesn't disprove it, either, really, except as proof that certainly, the details are not "obvious".
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5/19/2013 4:32:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 4:27:07 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:14:45 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself.

Then why is such knowledge only a few thousand years old?

Knowledge of a creator pre-existed the actual writing of the Bible. Why God chose that particular time frame is beyond my ability to know.

How far? It can't have been more than 5000 years, when God supposedly created the world?
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5/19/2013 4:38:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 4:29:28 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:10:42 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:07:27 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 1:19:06 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself. I can do a better job convincing people I exist than God can, and I am not omnipotent.

The fact that there are so many religions and sects confirms that God is not obvious and there is much confusion over him.

So many religions is evidence that a creator is obvious. Different sects just means that people disagree over details. The fact that they are all reading from the same book is proof that man is the one creating the conflict.

No, it really isn't. It's evidence that people find comfort in filling in the gaps of their knowledge, and in thinking that a "higher power" is looking out for them.

Without being omniscient, how do you know that to be true??

Well you cut out the rest of that paragraph, which explained why I thought it to be true.
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5/19/2013 4:41:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 4:32:21 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:27:07 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:14:45 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself.

Then why is such knowledge only a few thousand years old?

Knowledge of a creator pre-existed the actual writing of the Bible. Why God chose that particular time frame is beyond my ability to know.

How far? It can't have been more than 5000 years, when God supposedly created the world?

Even the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, knew about God.
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5/19/2013 4:43:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 4:41:43 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:32:21 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:27:07 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:14:45 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself.

Then why is such knowledge only a few thousand years old?

Knowledge of a creator pre-existed the actual writing of the Bible. Why God chose that particular time frame is beyond my ability to know.

How far? It can't have been more than 5000 years, when God supposedly created the world?

Even the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, knew about God.

Didn't they meet her though?
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5/19/2013 4:47:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 4:38:02 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:29:28 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:10:42 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 4:07:27 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/19/2013 1:19:06 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 5/18/2013 6:42:52 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:48:02 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/18/2013 5:42:12 PM, medic0506 wrote:
What would you expect the universe and our world to look like if Creation were true??

The creator being obvious to everyone.

He is, though some choose to deny, preferring to believe that the universe and life can create itself. I can do a better job convincing people I exist than God can, and I am not omnipotent.

The fact that there are so many religions and sects confirms that God is not obvious and there is much confusion over him.

So many religions is evidence that a creator is obvious. Different sects just means that people disagree over details. The fact that they are all reading from the same book is proof that man is the one creating the conflict.

No, it really isn't. It's evidence that people find comfort in filling in the gaps of their knowledge, and in thinking that a "higher power" is looking out for them.

Without being omniscient, how do you know that to be true??

Well you cut out the rest of that paragraph, which explained why I thought it to be true.

People having differing beliefs about the creator does not mean that a creator doesn't exist.
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5/19/2013 4:49:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/19/2013 4:47:59 PM, medic0506 wrote:

People having differing beliefs about the creator does not mean that a creator doesn't exist.

Nor does it mean that the creator does.
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