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banker
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11/30/2009 2:42:46 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
we need to boycot china for its violations against humon rights
From its earliest establishment, Chinese culture has embraced the concept of the "Oneness of Heaven and Man." The way for man to achieve this oneness is cultivation practice. Chinese literature is filled with legends of people achieving the status of deities, becoming enlightened, or obtaining the Tao through cultivation, and thousands of different schools of cultivation have existed over the course of Chinese history. Cultivation, therefore, is a traditional practice of mind and body transcendence
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the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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11/30/2009 2:48:22 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/30/2009 2:42:46 PM, banker wrote:
we need to boycot china for its violations against humon rights

Doing so would have a drastic impact on our economy. We trade well over 300 billion dollars per year with them, and they hold over a trillion in dollars and Treasury Bonds. Not going to happen.

From its earliest establishment, Chinese culture has embraced the concept of the "Oneness of Heaven and Man." The way for man to achieve this oneness is cultivation practice. Chinese literature is filled with legends of people achieving the status of deities, becoming enlightened, or obtaining the Tao through cultivation, and thousands of different schools of cultivation have existed over the course of Chinese history. Cultivation, therefore, is a traditional practice of mind and body transcendence
http://falunhr.org...

How is this relevant to the original point?
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11/30/2009 4:06:10 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Lol. Like boycotting trade with China will stop it going after Falun Dafa members. Tibet too right?! Where was that spiel? :(
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11/30/2009 4:10:52 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/30/2009 2:42:46 PM, banker wrote:
we need to boycot china for its violations against humon rights
From its earliest establishment, Chinese culture has embraced the concept of the "Oneness of Heaven and Man." The way for man to achieve this oneness is cultivation practice. Chinese literature is filled with legends of people achieving the status of deities, becoming enlightened, or obtaining the Tao through cultivation, and thousands of different schools of cultivation have existed over the course of Chinese history. Cultivation, therefore, is a traditional practice of mind and body transcendence
http://falunhr.org...

If you want to, then have a personal boycott but leave me out of it.
And america out of it.
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11/30/2009 4:25:12 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/30/2009 2:42:46 PM, banker wrote:
we need to boycot china for its violations against humon rights
From its earliest establishment, Chinese culture has embraced the concept of the "Oneness of Heaven and Man." The way for man to achieve this oneness is cultivation practice. Chinese literature is filled with legends of people achieving the status of deities, becoming enlightened, or obtaining the Tao through cultivation, and thousands of different schools of cultivation have existed over the course of Chinese history. Cultivation, therefore, is a traditional practice of mind and body transcendence
http://falunhr.org...

I think we need to boycott you for spreading idiocy.

Falun Gong or Falun Dafa, whatever those people call themselves, represent human beings that desperately need to exit our gene pool on account of their stupidity. These are people indoctrinated to believe that they can get comic-book powers by doing exercises every day. It was founded by a loony who claims he can levitate and move things with his mind.

You're a sheep. You eat up everything the media says because you're incapable of thinking for yourself. Tell me, do you also think that Tibet should be free? Do you also think that China is trying to spread evil communism throughout the world? Do you also think that it represents corruption whereas the US is the pristine global beacon of democracy?

Are you aware of how propaganda works? And by the way, take that bull off of your profile. If you are "post doctoral" in anything besides underwater basket-weaving, I will eat my monacle and top hat.
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It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

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11/30/2009 4:38:37 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Religion is not the reason for everything we do, even if we're devout adherents. It should have NOTHING to do with geo-politics and the world economy.
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11/30/2009 5:09:22 PM
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The link I posted points out how cruel china is to a religion... Its interesting that the same people who support china based on their dis believe of falun dafa,are aganst blaming islam for jihad and cruelty against infidels...! Is it just lust for blood? Is cruelty sexy? How is equel opportunity hating turning china and islam to become the new love twins?
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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11/30/2009 5:42:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/30/2009 5:09:22 PM, banker wrote:
The link I posted points out how cruel china is to a religion... Its interesting that the same people who support china based on their dis believe of falun dafa,are aganst blaming islam for jihad and cruelty against infidels...! Is it just lust for blood? Is cruelty sexy? How is equel opportunity hating turning china and islam to become the new love twins?

First, shut up and change that "Post Doctoral" thing on your profile. It's making me want to vomit. At least when I dealt with idiotic trolls before, they lied a lot less blatantly.

Second, I think China's perfectly right. In fact, they should be even MORE cruel. Falun Dafa practitioners should be labeled as political traitors and jailed for life. Because that's exactly what they are. They aren't religious people who are defending their practice. They are loony nutjobs who openly want to defy their government for no reason whatsoever.

Either send them to the funny farm, or send them to jail for life.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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11/30/2009 5:48:24 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Damn, you done pissed off Kleptin, and that dude is like 100 years old and a master debater.

My advise, get out while you still have an eye left, b/c he just knocked out all your teeth.
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11/30/2009 6:09:35 PM
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Um, I don't know if you can really boycott a country that we owe vast amounts of money to. We're not really in that position...
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11/30/2009 6:47:26 PM
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Wow, congratulations! Banker is actually talking about something else besides Islam. As Cody_Franklin pointed out though, how is it not ok for China to persecute against religion, but it's ok for people to persecute against Islam?
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11/30/2009 7:38:30 PM
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Does communism step over the line when its attempts to end religion result in violence and suffering?
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11/30/2009 7:41:55 PM
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At 11/30/2009 5:42:41 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 11/30/2009 5:09:22 PM, banker wrote:
The link I posted points out how cruel china is to a religion... Its interesting that the same people who support china based on their dis believe of falun dafa,are aganst blaming islam for jihad and cruelty against infidels...! Is it just lust for blood? Is cruelty sexy? How is equel opportunity hating turning china and islam to become the new love twins?

First, shut up and change that "Post Doctoral" thing on your profile. It's making me want to vomit. At least when I dealt with idiotic trolls before, they lied a lot less blatantly.


Bloody well said.
Post doctoral my fat hairy fanny!
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11/30/2009 7:42:34 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/30/2009 5:42:41 PM, Kleptin wrote:

Second, I think China's perfectly right. In fact, they should be even MORE cruel. Falun Dafa practitioners should be labeled as political traitors and jailed for life. Because that's exactly what they are. They aren't religious people who are defending their practice. They are loony nutjobs who openly want to defy their government for no reason whatsoever.

Either send them to the funny farm, or send them to jail for life.

Woohoo for defense of powerful government! :D
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11/30/2009 8:04:56 PM
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At 11/30/2009 7:38:30 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Does communism step over the line when its attempts to end religion result in violence and suffering?

Ok, just thought I would address this point. While past socialist regimes have persecuted against religion in the past, I disagree with these actions. While religion integrated into politics and government can be harmful(especially against minority religious groups in said country), I am against banning it outright. A major part of communism is eliminating discrimination. In my mind this also includes religious discrimination so people should be able to believe whatever they want in a secular state. Of course preaching and involving religious beliefs in government policies should be strictly outlawed.
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12/1/2009 11:14:52 AM
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At 11/30/2009 8:04:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/30/2009 7:38:30 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Does communism step over the line when its attempts to end religion result in violence and suffering?

Ok, just thought I would address this point. While past socialist regimes have persecuted against religion in the past, I disagree with these actions. While religion integrated into politics and government can be harmful (especially against minority religious groups in said country), I am against banning it outright. A major part of communism is eliminating discrimination. In my mind this also includes religious discrimination so people should be able to believe whatever they want in a secular state. Of course preaching and involving religious beliefs in government policies should be strictly outlawed.

right on great point
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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12/1/2009 11:25:49 AM
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I would say we should boycott the Chinese government on account of them not representing the chinese people, and doing their best to excercize control over the people in every way they think they can.

But then again that might not be too productive 8.(
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12/1/2009 11:29:14 AM
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At 12/1/2009 11:20:29 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Banker, what if China persecuted Islam?

how is that a question? please elaberate..!

in my opinion persecution is wrong,and could never be accepted...! my points against islam is percisly becuase its persecution of gay,s and rape victims etc.
but if you like to ask a good question then ask the people defanding china and mocking falun gong accurding to them its ok to persecute idiots..!!
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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12/1/2009 11:33:06 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/1/2009 11:29:14 AM, banker wrote:
At 12/1/2009 11:20:29 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Banker, what if China persecuted Islam?

how is that a question? please elaberate..!

in my opinion persecution is wrong,and could never be accepted...! my points against islam is percisly becuase its persecution of gay,s and rape victims etc.
but if you like to ask a good question then ask the people defanding china and mocking falun gong accurding to them its ok to persecute idiots..!!

China persecutes followers of Islam "becuase its persecution of gay,s and rape victims". What do you say?
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12/1/2009 11:37:14 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/1/2009 11:33:06 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/1/2009 11:29:14 AM, banker wrote:
At 12/1/2009 11:20:29 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Banker, what if China persecuted Islam?

how is that a question? please elaberate..!

in my opinion persecution is wrong,and could never be accepted...! my points against islam is percisly becuase its persecution of gay,s and rape victims etc.
but if you like to ask a good question then ask the people defanding china and mocking falun gong accurding to them its ok to persecute idiots..!!

China persecutes followers of Islam "becuase its persecution of gay,s and rape victims". What do you say?

my points against islam is percisly becuase its persecution of gay,s and rape victims etc. i am against persecuting islam and i am not aware of any acts of china against islam.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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12/1/2009 12:30:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/1/2009 11:37:14 AM, banker wrote:
At 12/1/2009 11:33:06 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/1/2009 11:29:14 AM, banker wrote:
At 12/1/2009 11:20:29 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Banker, what if China persecuted Islam?

how is that a question? please elaberate..!

in my opinion persecution is wrong,and could never be accepted...! my points against islam is percisly becuase its persecution of gay,s and rape victims etc.
but if you like to ask a good question then ask the people defanding china and mocking falun gong accurding to them its ok to persecute idiots..!!

China persecutes followers of Islam "becuase its persecution of gay,s and rape victims". What do you say?

my points against islam is percisly becuase its persecution of gay,s and rape victims etc. i am against persecuting islam and i am not aware of any acts of china against islam.

See: Cultural revolution
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12/1/2009 12:40:14 PM
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At 11/30/2009 8:04:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Ok, just thought I would address this point. While past socialist regimes have persecuted against religion in the past, I disagree with these actions. While religion integrated into politics and government can be harmful(especially against minority religious groups in said country), I am against banning it outright. A major part of communism is eliminating discrimination. In my mind this also includes religious discrimination so people should be able to believe whatever they want in a secular state. Of course preaching and involving religious beliefs in government policies should be strictly outlawed.

The problem is not religious tolerance. The "religious" factor is simply a front. The goal is political instability. It's the same with Tibet and all those damn liberal hippies (Volkov was waiting for that one), fresh out of college and 25-ish who think they know everything about everything, and are ready to champion the poor and needy of the world single-handedly. It's all politics and propaganda. I wouldn't be surprised if Tibetian officials were working in collusion with the US in order to oppress the Tibetan people and frame the Chinese government.

America's like the older brother who's jealous of the slightly more hardworking younger brother. China doesn't want any attention, it just wants to be left alone. It also doesn't care too much about public image in general (The Olympics were an exception). That's why all of their dealings are out in the open. You can bet that the US is doing far worse than waterboarding at Guantanamo at any given moment. It's just that the US is good at keeping their dirty laundry concealed. Why? Because its had more experience saying one thing and doing another.

America has the annoying and incessant need to be the center of attention, even if it means pointing out the flaws of other countries. Don't get me wrong, it's a great place to live, but MY GOD. The hypocrisy and idiocy of the sheep who live here >.>
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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12/1/2009 12:42:36 PM
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Oh, and FYI, I hate the Chinese Government. Everyone seems to think that the Chinese government is evil and secretive. No, they aren't. That's viewing them too highly. They're just incompetent. However, they are doing the best job they can with a population of over a billion, even if it's a pretty crappy job.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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12/1/2009 12:57:22 PM
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At 12/1/2009 12:42:36 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Oh, and FYI, I hate the Chinese Government. Everyone seems to think that the Chinese government is evil and secretive. No, they aren't. That's viewing them too highly. They're just incompetent. However, they are doing the best job they can with a population of over a billion, even if it's a pretty crappy job.

Would you say that the Communist Party has any legitimate claim to represent the Chinese people.

Or would you agree that they have none. Because I don't think that they do, I see them as no more than human rights violators on a grand scale.
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12/1/2009 1:09:43 PM
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At 12/1/2009 12:40:14 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 11/30/2009 8:04:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Ok, just thought I would address this point. While past socialist regimes have persecuted against religion in the past, I disagree with these actions. While religion integrated into politics and government can be harmful(especially against minority religious groups in said country), I am against banning it outright. A major part of communism is eliminating discrimination. In my mind this also includes religious discrimination so people should be able to believe whatever they want in a secular state. Of course preaching and involving religious beliefs in government policies should be strictly outlawed.

The problem is not religious tolerance. The "religious" factor is simply a front. The goal is political instability. It's the same with Tibet and all those damn liberal hippies (Volkov was waiting for that one), fresh out of college and 25-ish who think they know everything about everything, and are ready to champion the poor and needy of the world single-handedly. It's all politics and propaganda. I wouldn't be surprised if Tibetian officials were working in collusion with the US in order to oppress the Tibetan people and frame the Chinese government.

America's like the older brother who's jealous of the slightly more hardworking younger brother. China doesn't want any attention, it just wants to be left alone. It also doesn't care too much about public image in general (The Olympics were an exception). That's why all of their dealings are out in the open. You can bet that the US is doing far worse than waterboarding at Guantanamo at any given moment. It's just that the US is good at keeping their dirty laundry concealed. Why? Because its had more experience saying one thing and doing another.

America has the annoying and incessant need to be the center of attention, even if it means pointing out the flaws of other countries. Don't get me wrong, it's a great place to live, but MY GOD. The hypocrisy and idiocy of the sheep who live here >.>

great to see you sticking to the issues in your reply thats a major acomplishment
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable