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Alex
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11/30/2009 11:09:49 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Basically the idea that God used evolution as his mechanism for creation, any thoughts?
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mattrodstrom
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11/30/2009 11:12:10 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
granted that you accept physical reality and reasonable argument, it's the only way you can continue to believe in the christian god.
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11/30/2009 11:13:40 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/30/2009 11:12:10 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
granted that you accept physical reality and reasonable argument, it's the only way you can continue to believe in the christian god.

Back this up please, how is this the case?
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11/30/2009 11:19:19 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
As a mechanism of God it doesn't fail, it's just largely unnecessary. It has benefit for those Christians desiring to reconcile a non literal translation - it offers nothing to anyone else however.
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11/30/2009 11:22:09 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/30/2009 11:09:49 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
Basically the idea that God used evolution as his mechanism for creation, any thoughts?

It defeats the purpose and actually contradicts. That means God's creation created itself, thus making his role useless as creator. This also contradicts the Bible. The Bible says he created man out of sand and a rib instantaneously. Not a long, slow process of gradual evolution.
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mattrodstrom
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11/30/2009 11:26:35 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Back this up please, how is this the case?

Living organisms are physical things. They are subject to mutation. Given much time beneficial mutations would come about which would make that organism more likely to reproduce.

The diversity of life, given it's regular patterns along with fossil evidence of animals changing, are enough evidence for a reasonable person to accept that animal species change over time through beneficial random mutations.

Now I suppose if you accept physical reality with the caveat that god can and does play with it as he pleases, you might say that He created all of the different species, he created tigers and that they needn't have evolved from other cats, but you at least have to accept that random beneficial mutations would occur, and would be reinforced, thus evolution occurs, and if so, given the amount of time elapsed Evolution is the most reasonable explanation of diversity, and is much much simpler than explaining why God constantly kills off and makes slightly different, new, but eerily similar, species to replace them.
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12/1/2009 3:52:07 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/30/2009 11:09:49 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
Basically the idea that God used evolution as his mechanism for creation, any thoughts?

I like the idea. But in following this idea, the rational personal eventually realizes that if this is the case, then all of Christianity falls apart.
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12/1/2009 4:41:23 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Basically the idea that God used evolution as his mechanism for creation, any thoughts?

As far as we know, evolution didn't begin until the universe was already over 10 billion years old. Life, probably arose via abiogenesis 3.5 billion years ago. Homo sapiens didn't arise until one or two hundred thousand years ago.

If God is so patient, why did he evict Adam and Eve from The Garden the very first time they made a mistake?
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