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Nur-Ab-Sal
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6/7/2013 3:13:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
No, dogs don't have immortal souls
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6/7/2013 3:18:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 3:13:02 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
No, dogs don't have immortal souls

What about retards, then? Do retards have immortal souls? And if so, are they then retarded in Heaven?
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6/7/2013 3:20:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 3:18:50 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:13:02 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
No, dogs don't have immortal souls

What about retards, then? Do retards have immortal souls? And if so, are they then retarded in Heaven?

If you mean a retarded man, then yes, he has an immortal soul: the human soul is the form of a man.

I really just wished to clarify, I don't mean to begin conversation with you.
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6/7/2013 3:58:26 PM
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A better question is, if they don't go to heaven, do they go to Hell. If not, why not?
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6/7/2013 4:06:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 3:58:26 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
A better question is, if they don't go to heaven, do they go to Hell. If not, why not?

It could be that they just cease to exist when they die. *shrug*
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6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM
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At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?
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6/7/2013 4:12:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

It seems you have a misunderstanding of the way "rational" is being used. A retarded man is still a member of a rational kind, even if he does not realize this power to a reasonable extent,
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6/7/2013 4:13:12 PM
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At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

...what? Mentally disabled count as rational creatures/beings, so...
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6/7/2013 4:13:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:12:51 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

It seems you have a misunderstanding of the way "rational" is being used. A retarded man is still a member of a rational kind, even if he does not realize this power to a reasonable extent,

But a dog isn't?
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6/7/2013 4:15:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:13:12 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

...what? Mentally disabled count as rational creatures/beings, so...

Why? What about fetuses aborted before a brain formed? Do they go to Heaven? I'm sorry maybe I'm missing something?
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6/7/2013 4:15:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:12:51 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

It seems you have a misunderstanding of the way "rational" is being used. A retarded man is still a member of a rational kind, even if he does not realize this power to a reasonable extent,

This.
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6/7/2013 4:16:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:15:54 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:12:51 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

It seems you have a misunderstanding of the way "rational" is being used. A retarded man is still a member of a rational kind, even if he does not realize this power to a reasonable extent,

This.

But he says dogs don't go to Heaven... -_-
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6/7/2013 4:18:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:13:48 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:12:51 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

It seems you have a misunderstanding of the way "rational" is being used. A retarded man is still a member of a rational kind, even if he does not realize this power to a reasonable extent,

But a dog isn't?

They don't seem to be, no. I'm sure there are more formal arguments against the rationality of brute animals, but I can pretty much just reject this through interaction with them.
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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6/7/2013 4:18:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:13:48 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Yes, but only dogs. No humans or other animals. Just dogs.

This makes no sense.
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6/7/2013 4:19:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:15:29 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:13:12 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

...what? Mentally disabled count as rational creatures/beings, so...

Why? What about fetuses aborted before a brain formed? Do they go to Heaven? I'm sorry maybe I'm missing something?

Like I said, a fetus is still an instance of a rational kind. It instantiates the form of a human.
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6/7/2013 4:19:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:16:46 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:15:54 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:12:51 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

It seems you have a misunderstanding of the way "rational" is being used. A retarded man is still a member of a rational kind, even if he does not realize this power to a reasonable extent,

This.

But he says dogs don't go to Heaven... -_-

That's why I put an "if" in there. If they qualify. He thinks they don't. I'm agnostic on the matter.
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6/7/2013 4:21:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
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6/7/2013 4:21:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:18:38 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:13:48 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:12:51 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

It seems you have a misunderstanding of the way "rational" is being used. A retarded man is still a member of a rational kind, even if he does not realize this power to a reasonable extent,

But a dog isn't?

They don't seem to be, no. I'm sure there are more formal arguments against the rationality of brute animals, but I can pretty much just reject this through interaction with them.

I often consider my dog like a down syndrome person actually. Plenty of similarities to be drawn, seems reasonable. And so I'm here wondering about dogs and retards and you're not making much sense... Why do retards go to Heaven but my dog doesn't? Answer me that.
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6/7/2013 4:21:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
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6/7/2013 4:22:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:19:34 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:15:29 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:13:12 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

...what? Mentally disabled count as rational creatures/beings, so...

Why? What about fetuses aborted before a brain formed? Do they go to Heaven? I'm sorry maybe I'm missing something?

Like I said, a fetus is still an instance of a rational kind. It instantiates the form of a human.

So rational means to be human? I thought it means just to be rational... Like my dog can open doors and some retards can't. Does that not set him above them on the rational scale?
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6/7/2013 4:24:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 3:20:49 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:18:50 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:13:02 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
No, dogs don't have immortal souls

What about retards, then? Do retards have immortal souls? And if so, are they then retarded in Heaven?

If you mean a retarded man, then yes, he has an immortal soul: the human soul is the form of a man.

I really just wished to clarify, I don't mean to begin conversation with you.

HAHAHAHA good answer
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6/7/2013 4:24:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:19:36 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:16:46 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:15:54 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:12:51 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

It seems you have a misunderstanding of the way "rational" is being used. A retarded man is still a member of a rational kind, even if he does not realize this power to a reasonable extent,

This.

But he says dogs don't go to Heaven... -_-

That's why I put an "if" in there. If they qualify. He thinks they don't. I'm agnostic on the matter.

Okay, thank you for your input. But just to be clear, you think if something is intelligent it might go to Heaven? Like my dog, for example. Yeah, just thank you. I value your input.

This whole "rational" thing is confusing though...
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6/7/2013 4:26:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/7/2013 4:21:11 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:18:38 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:13:48 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:12:51 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 6/7/2013 4:11:23 PM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/7/2013 3:55:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
If they qualify as rational creatures, then ya.

What about retards? Is that a no?

It seems you have a misunderstanding of the way "rational" is being used. A retarded man is still a member of a rational kind, even if he does not realize this power to a reasonable extent,

But a dog isn't?

They don't seem to be, no. I'm sure there are more formal arguments against the rationality of brute animals, but I can pretty much just reject this through interaction with them.

I often consider my dog like a down syndrome person actually. Plenty of similarities to be drawn, seems reasonable. And so I'm here wondering about dogs and retards and you're not making much sense... Why do retards go to Heaven but my dog doesn't? Answer me that.

Maybe I'm talking past you, I don't know. When I say "rational kind," I'm talking about the general "category" of being human. So when a human is formed, it's still a member of this rational kind, whether or not the individual actually realizes this rational power. So when I say that a retarded man still instantiates the form of a man, I mean that he is an individual of this kind. I don't consider dogs to be a rational kind at all -- I'm not agnostic on it like popculturepooka, for I really do not believe dogs to be rational, but I'm not sure of any formal arguments against it, it's more of an empirical thing.
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