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6/9/2013 9:30:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
If so, why did God choose such a young surrogate?
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6/9/2013 9:39:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
He used eenie meenie miney moe. That's why it took him so long to send jesus to earth, playing eenie meenie miney moe with all of humanity would take a long time.
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6/9/2013 9:41:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:39:23 AM, muzebreak wrote:
He used eenie meenie miney moe. That's why it took him so long to send jesus to earth, playing eenie meenie miney moe with all of humanity would take a long time.
I saw her in my grilled cheese this morning, she was bloody old.
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6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.
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6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
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6/9/2013 9:48:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

You think we should let women under the age of 18 be surrogate mothers?
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6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/9/2013 9:52:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:41:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:39:23 AM, muzebreak wrote:
He used eenie meenie miney moe. That's why it took him so long to send jesus to earth, playing eenie meenie miney moe with all of humanity would take a long time.
I saw her in my grilled cheese this morning, she was bloody old.

Dude, I hope you sold it. There's big bucks in grilled cheese's with christian figures on them.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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6/9/2013 9:58:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
NN: At 6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.

No, at 6 she was engaged, and at 9 when she finally had her menses did the wedding happen, after the holy month of Ramadan. But even though she was 9 she was still playing with her dolls and with girls of her age at her new place.
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6/9/2013 9:58:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:52:30 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:39:23 AM, muzebreak wrote:
He used eenie meenie miney moe. That's why it took him so long to send jesus to earth, playing eenie meenie miney moe with all of humanity would take a long time.
I saw her in my grilled cheese this morning, she was bloody old.

Dude, I hope you sold it. There's big bucks in grilled cheese's with christian figures on them.
Mate, I put in in the cupboard. If I can get some mould to grow a halo around the face I'm set. woohoo!
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6/9/2013 10:02:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:58:43 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
NN: At 6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.

No, at 6 she was engaged, and at 9 when she finally had her menses did the wedding happen, after the holy month of Ramadan. But even though she was 9 she was still playing with her dolls and with girls of her age at her new place.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

http://sunnah.com...
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6/9/2013 10:05:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 10:02:30 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:58:43 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
NN: At 6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.

No, at 6 she was engaged, and at 9 when she finally had her menses did the wedding happen, after the holy month of Ramadan. But even though she was 9 she was still playing with her dolls and with girls of her age at her new place.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

http://sunnah.com...
What part of the highlighted DON"T you UNDERSTAND?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/9/2013 10:50:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 10:05:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:02:30 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:58:43 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
NN: At 6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.

No, at 6 she was engaged, and at 9 when she finally had her menses did the wedding happen, after the holy month of Ramadan. But even though she was 9 she was still playing with her dolls and with girls of her age at her new place.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

http://sunnah.com...
What part of the highlighted DON"T you UNDERSTAND?
Where have you gone fruity??????????
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/9/2013 10:59:11 AM
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Times were different back then than they are now, a lot different. There were many conditions that existed then that don't exist now. And there are conditions that exist now that didn't exist then.

In the past you died at a much younger age. With some periods of history, the oldest age you were expected to reach may have been forty, it all depended on the circumstances. You didn't have the medicines then that we have today. You were done with education usually at a much younger age, ready to be an adult and begin work, having a family. There are many factors that most of you are excluding from your reasoning, that all lead to the reason as to why younger persons were wed on a regular basis than what we see today.

Take Aisha for example. By the time she was nine, her formal education was over, she was capable of having sex and producing children, and her family willingly offered her as a bride to Muhammad, showing great respect to Muhammad and bonding him and their family with stronger ties.

But traditionally, I believe, Mary was twelve.
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6/9/2013 11:06:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 10:59:11 AM, Talib.ul-Ilm wrote:
Times were different back then than they are now, a lot different. There were many conditions that existed then that don't exist now. And there are conditions that exist now that didn't exist then.

In the past you died at a much younger age. With some periods of history, the oldest age you were expected to reach may have been forty, it all depended on the circumstances. You didn't have the medicines then that we have today. You were done with education usually at a much younger age, ready to be an adult and begin work, having a family. There are many factors that most of you are excluding from your reasoning, that all lead to the reason as to why younger persons were wed on a regular basis than what we see today.

Take Aisha for example. By the time she was nine, her formal education was over, she was capable of having sex and producing children, and her family willingly offered her as a bride to Muhammad, showing great respect to Muhammad and bonding him and their family with stronger ties.

But traditionally, I believe, Mary was twelve.
OH puhhhhhleeeeease, by her own freakin' mouth according to hadeeth she was SIX YEARS old when she married a 50+ man. Look at the posts above, for Xenu's sake. A man who is an adult who desires to have sex with a child is a paedophile regardless of what time in history his disgusting desires manifested themselves. But when women have less value than a camel or a goat what value could a female child have? Except as an object for a mans lust!
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6/9/2013 11:18:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 10:59:11 AM, Talib.ul-Ilm wrote:
Times were different back then than they are now, a lot different. There were many conditions that existed then that don't exist now. And there are conditions that exist now that didn't exist then.

In the past you died at a much younger age. With some periods of history, the oldest age you were expected to reach may have been forty, it all depended on the circumstances. You didn't have the medicines then that we have today. You were done with education usually at a much younger age, ready to be an adult and begin work, having a family. There are many factors that most of you are excluding from your reasoning, that all lead to the reason as to why younger persons were wed on a regular basis than what we see today.

Take Aisha for example. By the time she was nine, her formal education was over, she was capable of having sex and producing children, and her family willingly offered her as a bride to Muhammad, showing great respect to Muhammad and bonding him and their family with stronger ties.

But traditionally, I believe, Mary was twelve.

The average life expectancy in Lesotho is 44. Do you believe that it is acceptable for people in Lesotho to have sex with girls the same age as Aisha?
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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6/9/2013 11:21:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
@talib
Take Aisha for example.
Yeah apparently the profit did...........woohoo.
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6/9/2013 11:23:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 11:21:54 AM, bulproof wrote:
@talib
Take Aisha for example.
Yeah apparently the profit did...........woohoo.

Lol
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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6/9/2013 11:33:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 11:23:09 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 6/9/2013 11:21:54 AM, bulproof wrote:
@talib
Take Aisha for example.
Yeah apparently the profit did...........woohoo.

Lol
You know I am freaking sick of muslims defending paedofilia. I'm 60yrs old and never in my life (even when I was 9yrs old) did I ever desire to have SEX with a 9yr old.
There is nothing in existence that could induce me to MARRY a 6yr old. This dude was one seriously sick puppy.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/9/2013 3:35:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 10:05:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:02:30 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:58:43 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
NN: At 6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.

No, at 6 she was engaged, and at 9 when she finally had her menses did the wedding happen, after the holy month of Ramadan. But even though she was 9 she was still playing with her dolls and with girls of her age at her new place.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

http://sunnah.com...
What part of the highlighted DON"T you UNDERSTAND?

Well it's not complete marriage, she doesn't live with him yet, marriage in Islam starts from consummation legally, so the bolden part is really engagement, it's just the dialect of the time that makes is marriage. you can read more hadith about the same topic on the link I gave and you'll understand what I mean.
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6/9/2013 3:38:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 11:33:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 11:23:09 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 6/9/2013 11:21:54 AM, bulproof wrote:
@talib
Take Aisha for example.
Yeah apparently the profit did...........woohoo.

Lol
You know I am freaking sick of muslims defending paedofilia. I'm 60yrs old and never in my life (even when I was 9yrs old) did I ever desire to have SEX with a 9yr old.
There is nothing in existence that could induce me to MARRY a 6yr old. This dude was one seriously sick puppy.

Yes, this doesn't make you a more moral being though!!
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6/9/2013 9:27:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 3:38:47 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 11:33:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 11:23:09 AM, muzebreak wrote:
At 6/9/2013 11:21:54 AM, bulproof wrote:
@talib
Take Aisha for example.
Yeah apparently the profit did...........woohoo.

Lol
You know I am freaking sick of muslims defending paedofilia. I'm 60yrs old and never in my life (even when I was 9yrs old) did I ever desire to have SEX with a 9yr old.
There is nothing in existence that could induce me to MARRY a 6yr old. This dude was one seriously sick puppy.

Yes, this doesn't make you a more moral being though!!

Ummm yes it most certainly does.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/9/2013 9:32:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 3:35:24 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:05:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:02:30 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:58:43 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
NN: At 6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.

No, at 6 she was engaged, and at 9 when she finally had her menses did the wedding happen, after the holy month of Ramadan. But even though she was 9 she was still playing with her dolls and with girls of her age at her new place.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

http://sunnah.com...
What part of the highlighted DON"T you UNDERSTAND?

Well it's not complete marriage, she doesn't live with him yet, marriage in Islam starts from consummation legally, so the bolden part is really engagement, it's just the dialect of the time that makes is marriage. you can read more hadith about the same topic on the link I gave and you'll understand what I mean.

And here we go again. The Etcha Sketch dictionary comes out to play. Marriage doesn't mean marriage if it contradicts the argument I'm desperately trying to defend. In fact with this dictionary anyword can mean anything at anytime. That is why there have been so many sold to believers.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/10/2013 5:55:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:48:47 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

You think we should let women under the age of 18 be surrogate mothers?

No.

She wasn't a surrogate, she didn't get some sperm, the boy is her son alone with absolutely no male.

We should let women under 18 get married and have kids.

We should ban surrogating whatever the age, for it is immoral.
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6/10/2013 6:08:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/9/2013 9:32:14 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 3:35:24 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:05:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:02:30 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:58:43 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
NN: At 6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.

No, at 6 she was engaged, and at 9 when she finally had her menses did the wedding happen, after the holy month of Ramadan. But even though she was 9 she was still playing with her dolls and with girls of her age at her new place.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

http://sunnah.com...
What part of the highlighted DON"T you UNDERSTAND?

Well it's not complete marriage, she doesn't live with him yet, marriage in Islam starts from consummation legally, so the bolden part is really engagement, it's just the dialect of the time that makes is marriage. you can read more hadith about the same topic on the link I gave and you'll understand what I mean.

And here we go again. The Etcha Sketch dictionary comes out to play. Marriage doesn't mean marriage if it contradicts the argument I'm desperately trying to defend. In fact with this dictionary anyword can mean anything at anytime. That is why there have been so many sold to believers.

Ok I will get you another hadith from that same link for you to understand, cause you may not know it is forbidden to marry (have intercourse) with a female that didn't attain the age of having menses yet.Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Yes that's because we call engagement marriage too, but the wedding ceremony comes with marriage consumption, which is what you guys call marriage.
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6/10/2013 6:10:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/10/2013 6:08:54 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:32:14 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 3:35:24 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:05:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:02:30 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:58:43 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
NN: At 6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.

No, at 6 she was engaged, and at 9 when she finally had her menses did the wedding happen, after the holy month of Ramadan. But even though she was 9 she was still playing with her dolls and with girls of her age at her new place.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

http://sunnah.com...
What part of the highlighted DON"T you UNDERSTAND?

Well it's not complete marriage, she doesn't live with him yet, marriage in Islam starts from consummation legally, so the bolden part is really engagement, it's just the dialect of the time that makes is marriage. you can read more hadith about the same topic on the link I gave and you'll understand what I mean.

And here we go again. The Etcha Sketch dictionary comes out to play. Marriage doesn't mean marriage if it contradicts the argument I'm desperately trying to defend. In fact with this dictionary anyword can mean anything at anytime. That is why there have been so many sold to believers.

Ok I will get you another hadith from that same link for you to understand, cause you may not know it is forbidden to marry (have intercourse) with a female that didn't attain the age of having menses yet.Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Yes that's because we call engagement marriage too, but the wedding ceremony comes with marriage consumption, which is what you guys call marriage.

Consummation is part of the ceremony?
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6/10/2013 6:12:23 PM
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At 6/9/2013 9:30:16 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
If so, why did God choose such a young surrogate?

Who are more righteous or pure in thinking and actions? The younger or the older?
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6/10/2013 6:13:47 PM
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At 6/10/2013 6:10:40 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 6/10/2013 6:08:54 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:32:14 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 3:35:24 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:05:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 10:02:30 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:58:43 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
NN: At 6/9/2013 9:48:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:47:23 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:42:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/9/2013 9:41:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Why not, a female of her age can marry and beget biologically!

As can 6yr olds.

9. the age doesn't matter, the biological situation matters.
Aisha married at the age of SIX and took her dolls to play with.

No, at 6 she was engaged, and at 9 when she finally had her menses did the wedding happen, after the holy month of Ramadan. But even though she was 9 she was still playing with her dolls and with girls of her age at her new place.

It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

http://sunnah.com...
What part of the highlighted DON"T you UNDERSTAND?

Well it's not complete marriage, she doesn't live with him yet, marriage in Islam starts from consummation legally, so the bolden part is really engagement, it's just the dialect of the time that makes is marriage. you can read more hadith about the same topic on the link I gave and you'll understand what I mean.

And here we go again. The Etcha Sketch dictionary comes out to play. Marriage doesn't mean marriage if it contradicts the argument I'm desperately trying to defend. In fact with this dictionary anyword can mean anything at anytime. That is why there have been so many sold to believers.

Ok I will get you another hadith from that same link for you to understand, cause you may not know it is forbidden to marry (have intercourse) with a female that didn't attain the age of having menses yet.Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Yes that's because we call engagement marriage too, but the wedding ceremony comes with marriage consumption, which is what you guys call marriage.

Consummation is part of the ceremony?

No, it is announced by the ceremony, so the ceremony is right before, cause the consummation of marriage has legal implications in Islam.