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John Wesleys Society, Class's, and Bands

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6/10/2013 9:42:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Have you ever heard preachers talk about the christian faith being on the verge of coming to its next great awakening?

They never suggest how other than by giving the insinuation that your little church they have never been too isn't doing any ministry out there when if they actually knew anything about your church before visiting it to be a guest preacher they would know your church in fact does plenty of ministry.

and of course they will often say the next great awakening will be lead by young people, because they always have been in the past.

well I'm a 'young people' and I think I know what will help facilitate the next great awakening in the christian faith and I want your thoughts on it.

We need to start up John Wesley's Society, Class, and Band system within our churches again, http://www.ncnnews.com... http://coregroups.org...
and this I think will start the next great awakening. Back in the day when the founder of my church John Wesley was causing massive revivals all over the world and beginning the Methodist movement, he did this by working with small groups within the church to help facilitate spiritual growth.

the Society was what we would think of today as the whole local church you go to every Sunday to worship. But part of membership with the church was it was mandatory to join a smaller group of about 12 people called a 'Class' or 'Cell'. In this smaller group you meet with you would talk about the Sunday sermon together but with a much more life application approach. this group would also talk with each other about there week and there struggle with sin. This group could also independently to local ministry together as a group if they wanted too.

and then a further smaller group within the group, something that was not mandatory that you join but optional that would be made up of 3-4 people who had to all be the same gender, marital status, and age....this was the Band and it's a place where some great leaders in the faith were trained in. A Band was environment of brutal honesty as they would come together to privately confess there sins on a much more intense level than a Class would together.

the churches that used this system membership multiplied greatly and most church historians will say that it was Wesley's greatest contribution to the church was the structure he created for working in small groups. One article I read that was talking about Francis Asbury using the same system said that back in those day it was almost as if they had created the internet before the internet existed because it gave them such a comprehensive and extensive network of communication that helped them make disciples more effectively everywhere.

we dont really do this anymore today. It's not even mandatory you stay for Sunday school if you join the church as a member or really all that actively encouraged, and there are very few churches that are still making use of the Class system. Adam Hamilton's church is one of the exceptions out there and guess what....his church turned into a Mega church because of it.
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6/10/2013 9:57:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
A Scout is Obedient.
And now is allowed to be openly gay. Hooray for progress.
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6/10/2013 10:24:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/10/2013 9:57:53 PM, bulproof wrote:
A Scout is Obedient.
And now is allowed to be openly gay. Hooray for progress.

But not openly gay leaders. defining which direction the progress is going, which is the direction that stands for proclaiming that way of life is a sexually perverse sin that breads predators we do not want alone with our kids in the woods.

So yes, Hooray for progress.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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6/10/2013 10:49:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/10/2013 10:24:07 PM, Marauder wrote:
At 6/10/2013 9:57:53 PM, bulproof wrote:
A Scout is Obedient.
And now is allowed to be openly gay. Hooray for progress.

But not openly gay leaders. defining which direction the progress is going, which is the direction that stands for proclaiming that way of life is a sexually perverse sin that breads predators we do not want alone with our kids in the woods.

So yes, Hooray for progress.
Just another who doesn't understand homosexuality, paedophillia or predator. Hooray for ignorance
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/11/2013 11:05:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Bump.

come on people you pile onto threads for talking about centuries old arguments that will never get resolved but for a thread meant to talk about practical pragmatic ways to help change the world there is silence?

surely someone must have something against this of all the churches would still be doing it right?
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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6/11/2013 11:38:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think it is a great idea. Not only does it create personal relationship within the Christian community but also allows the regular flock to express questions and concerns. It builds a greater source for going out in the world and understanding how to approach people that normally that would be stumped about.
Psalm 118:8, "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."
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6/12/2013 9:11:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/11/2013 11:38:47 PM, Harbinger wrote:
I think it is a great idea. Not only does it create personal relationship within the Christian community but also allows the regular flock to express questions and concerns. It builds a greater source for going out in the world and understanding how to approach people that normally that would be stumped about.

yeah, and it's proven effective. "In 1742 in one Society in London there were 426 members, divided into 65 classes. Eighteen months later that same society had 2200 members, all of whom were in classes. Every week each class member was expected to speak openly and honestly on the true state of his or her soul."

that is an incredible amount of growth for a church, and the crazy awesome thing about it is, this wasn't just a simple revival caused by people hearing a fiery speech that got them excited or prompted by an extreme emotional event like 9-11 only to have the upswing in people interested in Faith die down after the emotional event or fiery speech had passed. It provided infrastructure for further making disciples of the members that came to church, for educating them on more than just the elementary principles of the faith (Hebrews chapter 6: 1-3)

immediately upon becoming a member of the church you had a close nit group a Christian's that you were grouped with who could help you learn to grow in regards to things like overcoming sin and trying to minister to the poor and sick and those in prison. you were not just left to your own where the church would simply hope you would work things the right way out on your own on your own time, they were there to help in all educational and spiritual regards.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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6/12/2013 9:17:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/12/2013 9:11:39 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 6/11/2013 11:38:47 PM, Harbinger wrote:
I think it is a great idea. Not only does it create personal relationship within the Christian community but also allows the regular flock to express questions and concerns. It builds a greater source for going out in the world and understanding how to approach people that normally that would be stumped about.

yeah, and it's proven effective. "In 1742 in one Society in London there were 426 members, divided into 65 classes. Eighteen months later that same society had 2200 members, all of whom were in classes. Every week each class member was expected to speak openly and honestly on the true state of his or her soul."

that is an incredible amount of growth for a church, and the crazy awesome thing about it is, this wasn't just a simple revival caused by people hearing a fiery speech that got them excited or prompted by an extreme emotional event like 9-11 only to have the upswing in people interested in Faith die down after the emotional event or fiery speech had passed. It provided infrastructure for further making disciples of the members that came to church, for educating them on more than just the elementary principles of the faith (Hebrews chapter 6: 1-3)

immediately upon becoming a member of the church you had a close nit group a Christian's that you were grouped with who could help you learn to grow in regards to things like overcoming sin and trying to minister to the poor and sick and those in prison. you were not just left to your own where the church would simply hope you would work things the right way out on your own on your own time, they were there to help in all educational and spiritual regards.

Yes the great fire of London destroyed many churches so they found the closest. :)
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6/12/2013 9:22:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/12/2013 9:17:31 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/12/2013 9:11:39 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 6/11/2013 11:38:47 PM, Harbinger wrote:
I think it is a great idea. Not only does it create personal relationship within the Christian community but also allows the regular flock to express questions and concerns. It builds a greater source for going out in the world and understanding how to approach people that normally that would be stumped about.

yeah, and it's proven effective. "In 1742 in one Society in London there were 426 members, divided into 65 classes. Eighteen months later that same society had 2200 members, all of whom were in classes. Every week each class member was expected to speak openly and honestly on the true state of his or her soul."

that is an incredible amount of growth for a church, and the crazy awesome thing about it is, this wasn't just a simple revival caused by people hearing a fiery speech that got them excited or prompted by an extreme emotional event like 9-11 only to have the upswing in people interested in Faith die down after the emotional event or fiery speech had passed. It provided infrastructure for further making disciples of the members that came to church, for educating them on more than just the elementary principles of the faith (Hebrews chapter 6: 1-3)

immediately upon becoming a member of the church you had a close nit group a Christian's that you were grouped with who could help you learn to grow in regards to things like overcoming sin and trying to minister to the poor and sick and those in prison. you were not just left to your own where the church would simply hope you would work things the right way out on your own on your own time, they were there to help in all educational and spiritual regards.

Yes the great fire of London destroyed many churches so they found the closest. :)

that's not why the membership grew, and the Methodist movement that used this structure for making disciples of Christ was used in multiple countries.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.