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GreatestIam
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6/14/2013 3:23:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it"s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?

Compare Islam"s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.

Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

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6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/14/2013 3:23:21 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it"s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?
That's a reward, one of many, for having kept moral in your first given life.
Compare Islam"s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.Huh, you're comparing a horse to a turtle!

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.
Really ?! what about this :" He giveth wisdom unto whom He will, and he unto whom wisdom is given, he truly hath received abundant good. But none remember except men of understanding. (269)" Chapter 2/Quran

You don't seem to have been given any!
Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Well between Hell, and paradise ?! yes difficult to choose!!

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said that Allah would say to the inmates of Paradise:

"O, Dwellers of Paradise, and they would say in response: At thy service and pleasure, our Lord, the good is in Thy Hand. He (the Lord) would say: Are you well pleased now? They would say: Why should we not be pleased, O Lord, when Thou hast given us what Thou hast not given to any of Thy creatures? He would, however, say: May I not give you (something) even more excellent than that? And they would say: 0 Lord, what thing can be more excellent than this? And He would say: I shall cause My pleasure to alight upon you and I shall never be afterwards annoyed with you."

Group sex is immoral, and never was mentioned as a reward, and Islam Polygyny never included what you have in your mind !!

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Well it seems there is something wrong with your imagination. Do you have a problem with sex itself ? or with the fact that prophets too can have sex (like the rest of humans, or that they practice polygyny ? or the fact that good sex and good food are part of the reward in paradise ?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

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DL
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6/14/2013 11:09:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I am After--Life from DeviantArt...and I know who you are.

I am not even going to bother going so much in detail, I'll just give a brief response.

God uses the good pleasureful things in this world to describe the pleasures and good things of the hereafter, or Paradise.

Since humans are incapable of understanding what is in store for paradise, God has given metaphorical analogies for us to comprehend, to try and describe the feelings and sensations of paradise.

What we get in paradise will be infinitely better than what we get in this world, and whatever is in paradise, will be more enjoyable, more lasting, and most importantly, in a completely different FORM than what we get in this world. What we have in this world is nothing compared to the next world.

Some good things in this world, good feelings, experiences and pleasures include of course, food and sex.

This is just a descriptive understanding, it is not literal. Just like food and sex are pleasureful things of this world, paradise will have its own form of pleasureful experiences that are far better and beyond this world.

God just uses these things to describe it. We humans are not able to comprehend what paradise truly is and what is in it, that is why God in the Qur'an has described it in this fashion, and He uses this method for many other things as well, these metaphorical and spiritual meanings.

It is one reason why the Qur'an is a beautiful scripture and how it touches people's hearts from all around the world.
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6/16/2013 1:17:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/14/2013 3:23:21 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it"s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?

Compare Islam"s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.

Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

Response: When you are capable of bringing forth quote anywhere from either the Qur'an or Sunnah that says that muslims will get 70 virgins, then maybe you'll actually have a point. Since you can't, then your whole premise is false, shows a lack of knowledge of islam, thus refuting yourself without anyone having to respond.
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6/16/2013 1:45:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/14/2013 11:09:03 PM, IslamAhmadiyya wrote:
I am After--Life from DeviantArt...and I know who you are.

I am not even going to bother going so much in detail, I'll just give a brief response.

God uses the good pleasureful things in this world to describe the pleasures and good things of the hereafter, or Paradise.

Since humans are incapable of understanding what is in store for paradise, God has given metaphorical analogies for us to comprehend, to try and describe the feelings and sensations of paradise.

What we get in paradise will be infinitely better than what we get in this world, and whatever is in paradise, will be more enjoyable, more lasting, and most importantly, in a completely different FORM than what we get in this world. What we have in this world is nothing compared to the next world.

Some good things in this world, good feelings, experiences and pleasures include of course, food and sex.

This is just a descriptive understanding, it is not literal. Just like food and sex are pleasureful things of this world, paradise will have its own form of pleasureful experiences that are far better and beyond this world.

God just uses these things to describe it. We humans are not able to comprehend what paradise truly is and what is in it, that is why God in the Qur'an has described it in this fashion, and He uses this method for many other things as well, these metaphorical and spiritual meanings.

It is one reason why the Qur'an is a beautiful scripture and how it touches people's hearts from all around the world.

So Allah lied in the quran! That's a great defense to use.
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6/16/2013 12:29:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/16/2013 1:45:49 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/14/2013 11:09:03 PM, IslamAhmadiyya wrote:
I am After--Life from DeviantArt...and I know who you are.

I am not even going to bother going so much in detail, I'll just give a brief response.

God uses the good pleasureful things in this world to describe the pleasures and good things of the hereafter, or Paradise.

Since humans are incapable of understanding what is in store for paradise, God has given metaphorical analogies for us to comprehend, to try and describe the feelings and sensations of paradise.

What we get in paradise will be infinitely better than what we get in this world, and whatever is in paradise, will be more enjoyable, more lasting, and most importantly, in a completely different FORM than what we get in this world. What we have in this world is nothing compared to the next world.

Some good things in this world, good feelings, experiences and pleasures include of course, food and sex.

This is just a descriptive understanding, it is not literal. Just like food and sex are pleasureful things of this world, paradise will have its own form of pleasureful experiences that are far better and beyond this world.

God just uses these things to describe it. We humans are not able to comprehend what paradise truly is and what is in it, that is why God in the Qur'an has described it in this fashion, and He uses this method for many other things as well, these metaphorical and spiritual meanings.

It is one reason why the Qur'an is a beautiful scripture and how it touches people's hearts from all around the world.

So Allah lied in the quran! That's a great defense to use.

It's called metaphor.

& BTW the whole thing about the 70/72 virgins, is not in the koran anyway. It's in the Hadith, (and from understand, it's not one of the most reliable ones. (There are different levels of reliability in Hadiths, the one about virgins is a lower level of reliability )).
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6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?
IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?

Regards
DL
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6/17/2013 9:52:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/14/2013 11:09:03 PM, IslamAhmadiyya wrote:
I am After--Life from DeviantArt...and I know who you are.

I am not even going to bother going so much in detail, I'll just give a brief response.

God uses the good pleasureful things in this world to describe the pleasures and good things of the hereafter, or Paradise.

Since humans are incapable of understanding what is in store for paradise, God has given metaphorical analogies for us to comprehend, to try and describe the feelings and sensations of paradise.

What we get in paradise will be infinitely better than what we get in this world, and whatever is in paradise, will be more enjoyable, more lasting, and most importantly, in a completely different FORM than what we get in this world. What we have in this world is nothing compared to the next world.

Some good things in this world, good feelings, experiences and pleasures include of course, food and sex.

This is just a descriptive understanding, it is not literal. Just like food and sex are pleasureful things of this world, paradise will have its own form of pleasureful experiences that are far better and beyond this world.

God just uses these things to describe it. We humans are not able to comprehend what paradise truly is and what is in it, that is why God in the Qur'an has described it in this fashion, and He uses this method for many other things as well, these metaphorical and spiritual meanings.

It is one reason why the Qur'an is a beautiful scripture and how it touches people's hearts from all around the world.

Male hearts and male libidos for sure.

Do you think it affects Muslim women positively, the same way as the men, when women see that they are to line up, ---- just like another of their virgin sisters, --- for access to a thoughtless engorged dick attached to a self-centered non-thinking Muslim man?

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DL
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6/17/2013 9:54:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/16/2013 1:17:16 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 6/14/2013 3:23:21 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it"s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?

Compare Islam"s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.

Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

Response: When you are capable of bringing forth quote anywhere from either the Qur'an or Sunnah that says that muslims will get 70 virgins, then maybe you'll actually have a point. Since you can't, then your whole premise is false, shows a lack of knowledge of islam, thus refuting yourself without anyone having to respond.

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Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.'

"Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39 It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.

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6/17/2013 9:55:29 AM
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Yes, remarkably shallow. However, there's a more important question I think should be asked; will many men still condone the rape and subjugation of said women in heaven, or is that sort of behaviour restricted to when they're trying to gain entrance in the first place? To heaven, I mean.
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6/17/2013 10:42:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?No she will have one Husband very probably Joseph, and Morality still stands in Heaven.Can you prove equality is any Moral ? what does it even mean ?! does it mean you can hold thy wife baby in your womb ? that you will have menses for the sake of being equal !! that woman should kill babies in their wombs for the sake of looking like a male ?! you know what we are different genders , we don't have to be equal, it's enough that we respect each other and need one another!:
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DL
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6/17/2013 10:53:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 9:55:29 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
Yes, remarkably shallow. However, there's a more important question I think should be asked; will many men still condone the rape and subjugation of said women in heaven, or is that sort of behaviour restricted to when they're trying to gain entrance in the first place? To heaven, I mean.

There is no rape, these women are created especially for their pleasure, they are naturally keen to their husbands, so we won't need you services there I suppose!For women from earth, there would be 2 earthly women from earth for each man ( this clearly means there are more women going to paradise then men) and there is no singles in heaven! Women from earth are even better in Heaven than the black eyed heaven women, and all are purified.
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6/17/2013 10:53:44 AM
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At 6/14/2013 3:23:21 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as its main draw for Muslim men?
Obviously.
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6/17/2013 10:58:48 AM
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At 6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?
IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?

Regards
DL

I forgot to add, there is equallity in reward, meaning if a woman was more pious than a man then her Castle will be better and Higher, she may even be around the prophets and martyrs area in Heaven, but equality in reward doesn't go against morality.
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6/17/2013 11:10:39 AM
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At 6/17/2013 10:53:41 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
There is no rape, these women are created especially for their pleasure, they are naturally keen to their husbands, so we won't need you services there I suppose!

So they're brainwashed sex slaves? I wasn't offering to give them all a seeing to, by the way. I was just wondering whether Islam is as sh*tty in heaven as it is down here.

For women from earth, there would be 2 earthly women from earth for each man ( this clearly means there are more women going to paradise then men) and there is no singles in heaven! Women from earth are even better in Heaven than the black eyed heaven women, and all are purified.

No idea what that is supposed to mean. More women in paradise, but they're all mindless automatons shaped to meet the whims of men? So... it's just a paradise for men, then.
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6/17/2013 3:05:11 PM
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At 6/17/2013 9:55:29 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
Yes, remarkably shallow. However, there's a more important question I think should be asked; will many men still condone the rape and subjugation of said women in heaven, or is that sort of behaviour restricted to when they're trying to gain entrance in the first place? To heaven, I mean.

Hard to say when speaking of an imaginary scenario.

I think rape is not a heavenly concept for Muslims as all women always seem to be ready and eager. No rape required.

Subjugation. Hard to say again when Muslims do not see the subjugating they do as subjugation.

Nothing wrong in locking up your women and having a new law that says that Muslim women can be raped by their husbands.

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DL
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6/17/2013 3:09:15 PM
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At 6/17/2013 10:42:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?No she will have one Husband very probably Joseph, and Morality still stands in Heaven.Can you prove equality is any Moral ? what does it even mean ?! does it mean you can hold thy wife baby in your womb ? that you will have menses for the sake of being equal !! that woman should kill babies in their wombs for the sake of looking like a male ?! you know what we are different genders , we don't have to be equal, it's enough that we respect each other and need one another!:
Regards
DL

A male saying women do not have to be equal. How droll.

When did you start thinking like a woman?

Regards
DL
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6/17/2013 3:11:50 PM
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At 6/17/2013 10:58:48 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?
IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?

Regards
DL

I forgot to add, there is equallity in reward, meaning if a woman was more pious than a man then her Castle will be better and Higher, she may even be around the prophets and martyrs area in Heaven, but equality in reward doesn't go against morality.

Castes in heave!

How many?

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DL
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6/17/2013 3:13:24 PM
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At 6/17/2013 3:09:15 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/17/2013 10:42:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?No she will have one Husband very probably Joseph, and Morality still stands in Heaven.Can you prove equality is any Moral ? what does it even mean ?! does it mean you can hold thy wife baby in your womb ? that you will have menses for the sake of being equal !! that woman should kill babies in their wombs for the sake of looking like a male ?! you know what we are different genders , we don't have to be equal, it's enough that we respect each other and need one another!:
Regards
DL

A male saying women do not have to be equal. How droll.

When did you start thinking like a woman?

Regards
DL

LOL. She is a woman.
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6/17/2013 3:16:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 3:09:15 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/17/2013 10:42:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?No she will have one Husband very probably Joseph, and Morality still stands in Heaven.Can you prove equality is any Moral ? what does it even mean ?! does it mean you can hold thy wife baby in your womb ? that you will have menses for the sake of being equal !! that woman should kill babies in their wombs for the sake of looking like a male ?! you know what we are different genders , we don't have to be equal, it's enough that we respect each other and need one another!:
Regards
DL

A male saying women do not have to be equal. How droll.I actually am a woman, daughter of a woman mother of two girls and sister of 2 others , I think I am well positioned.But it really depend on whet you mean by equality, if it's equality in front of justice that's something, if you mean identical, then I do not agree.

When did you start thinking like a woman?I think as I think I bet most women will disagree with me, and I wish you say what you mean ?!

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DL
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6/18/2013 4:47:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 3:16:48 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 3:09:15 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/17/2013 10:42:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?No she will have one Husband very probably Joseph, and Morality still stands in Heaven.Can you prove equality is any Moral ? what does it even mean ?! does it mean you can hold thy wife baby in your womb ? that you will have menses for the sake of being equal !! that woman should kill babies in their wombs for the sake of looking like a male ?! you know what we are different genders , we don't have to be equal, it's enough that we respect each other and need one another!:
Regards
DL

A male saying women do not have to be equal. How droll.: : RegardsI actually am a woman, daughter of a woman mother of two girls and sister of 2 others , I think I am well positioned.But it really depend on whet you mean by equality, if it's equality in front of justice that's something, if you mean identical, then I do not agree.

When did you start thinking like a woman?I think as I think I bet most women will disagree with me, and I wish you say what you mean ?!


DL

I actually am a woman, daughter of a woman mother of two girls and sister of 2 others , I think I am well positioned. But it really depend on whet you mean by equality, if it's equality in front of justice that's something, if you mean identical, then I do not agree.
I think as I think I bet most women will disagree with me, and I wish you say what you mean ?!Do you mean women think differently from men ?! ;)
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6/18/2013 5:30:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 4:47:14 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 3:16:48 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 3:09:15 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/17/2013 10:42:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

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DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?No she will have one Husband very probably Joseph, and Morality still stands in Heaven.Can you prove equality is any Moral ? what does it even mean ?! does it mean you can hold thy wife baby in your womb ? that you will have menses for the sake of being equal !! that woman should kill babies in their wombs for the sake of looking like a male ?! you know what we are different genders , we don't have to be equal, it's enough that we respect each other and need one another!:
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DL

A male saying women do not have to be equal. How droll.: : RegardsI actually am a woman, daughter of a woman mother of two girls and sister of 2 others , I think I am well positioned.But it really depend on whet you mean by equality, if it's equality in front of justice that's something, if you mean identical, then I do not agree.

When did you start thinking like a woman?I think as I think I bet most women will disagree with me, and I wish you say what you mean ?!


DL

I actually am a woman, daughter of a woman mother of two girls and sister of 2 others , I think I am well positioned. But it really depend on whet you mean by equality, if it's equality in front of justice that's something, if you mean identical, then I do not agree.
I think as I think I bet most women will disagree with me, and I wish you say what you mean ?!Do you mean women think differently from men ?! ;)

What? If you achieve equality you're afraid growing a beard? Is that your problem? Identical? What are you talking about?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/18/2013 5:47:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 5:30:50 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 4:47:14 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 3:16:48 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 3:09:15 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/17/2013 10:42:36 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 6/17/2013 9:43:43 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/14/2013 5:50:13 PM, Fruitytree wrote:


Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

She won't be watching !! she'd have her own Husband !!!

You have such a sick imagination! you must have been affected by something you watched!

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

I was affected by something I watched.

Have a look.

http://www.youtube.com...

Does Mary get one husband or as many husbands as the men have wives?IOW, is there equality in Muslim heaven?No she will have one Husband very probably Joseph, and Morality still stands in Heaven.Can you prove equality is any Moral ? what does it even mean ?! does it mean you can hold thy wife baby in your womb ? that you will have menses for the sake of being equal !! that woman should kill babies in their wombs for the sake of looking like a male ?! you know what we are different genders , we don't have to be equal, it's enough that we respect each other and need one another!:
Regards
DL

A male saying women do not have to be equal. How droll.: : RegardsI actually am a woman, daughter of a woman mother of two girls and sister of 2 others , I think I am well positioned.But it really depend on whet you mean by equality, if it's equality in front of justice that's something, if you mean identical, then I do not agree.

When did you start thinking like a woman?I think as I think I bet most women will disagree with me, and I wish you say what you mean ?!


DL

I actually am a woman, daughter of a woman mother of two girls and sister of 2 others , I think I am well positioned. But it really depend on whet you mean by equality, if it's equality in front of justice that's something, if you mean identical, then I do not agree.
I think as I think I bet most women will disagree with me, and I wish you say what you mean ?!Do you mean women think differently from men ?! ;)

What? If you achieve equality you're afraid growing a beard? Is that your problem? Identical? What are you talking about?

No , he just seems to confuse male and female, and equality with equivalence.Because a male is allowed polygamy and not a female he thinks Islam is oppressing female!!I don't think any female will be sorry not having more than a husband in heaven, if their Husband there is exactly what they need! wish you tell me what equality means to you.
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6/18/2013 5:57:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hard to say when speaking of an imaginary scenario.

Granted, but if people do not realise that they're talking about imaginary concepts, the best way to lead them out of their confusion is by highlighting contradictions in their assertions.

I think rape is not a heavenly concept for Muslims as all women always seem to be ready and eager. No rape required.

No, the women who get into heaven have their personalities wiped so they can become sex-slaves. They are no longer the people who they were, so those people might as well have died and not got into heaven. Meaning heaven allows men to enter as themselves but women cannot. Delightful.

Subjugation. Hard to say again when Muslims do not see the subjugating they do as subjugation.

Indeed. I just wondered whether what is considered morally permissible here - raping your wife being the example - is also morally permissible in heaven. Apparently it isn't a problem because women have their autonomy and identity taken away.
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6/18/2013 6:46:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 11:10:39 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 6/17/2013 10:53:41 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
There is no rape, these women are created especially for their pleasure, they are naturally keen to their husbands, so we won't need you services there I suppose!

So they're brainwashed sex slaves? I wasn't offering to give them all a seeing to, by the way. I was just wondering whether Islam is as sh*tty in heaven as it is down here.

Not brainwashed , initially set for pleasure!!

For women from earth, there would be 2 earthly women from earth for each man ( this clearly means there are more women going to paradise then men) and there is no singles in heaven! Women from earth are even better in Heaven than the black eyed heaven women, and all are purified.

No idea what that is supposed to mean. More women in paradise, but they're all mindless automatons shaped to meet the whims of men? So... it's just a paradise for men, then.

Women have their fair share don't worry!

Quran 33

Lo! men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender, and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey and women who obey, and men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth, and men who persevere (in righteousness) and women who persevere, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty), and men who remember Allah much and women who remember - Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward. (35)
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6/18/2013 6:49:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 5:57:58 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
Hard to say when speaking of an imaginary scenario.

Granted, but if people do not realise that they're talking about imaginary concepts, the best way to lead them out of their confusion is by highlighting contradictions in their assertions.

I think rape is not a heavenly concept for Muslims as all women always seem to be ready and eager. No rape required.

No, the women who get into heaven have their personalities wiped so they can become sex-slaves. They are no longer the people who they were, so those people might as well have died and not got into heaven. Meaning heaven allows men to enter as themselves but women cannot. Delightful.

Subjugation. Hard to say again when Muslims do not see the subjugating they do as subjugation.

Indeed. I just wondered whether what is considered morally permissible here - raping your wife being the example - is also morally permissible in heaven. Apparently it isn't a problem because women have their autonomy and identity taken away.

Impressive monologue!

What do you mean by subjugation? what if God created female initially for and from the male, and didn't create them at the same time !!!
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6/18/2013 6:52:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/14/2013 3:23:21 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it"s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?

Compare Islam"s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.

Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

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DL

It just goes to show how corrupt Islam is if that is true.

Jesus view of that?

Matthew 22:29,30 In reply Jesus said to them: "YOU are mistaken, because YOU know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God; 30 for in the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.

In other words they are as the Angels are, gender neutral.

Are the angels gender neutral?

Consider this:

Genesis 6: 1-4 Now it came about that when men started to grow in numbers on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, 2 then the sons of the [true] God began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose. 3 After that Jehovah said: "My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years."
4 The Nephilim proved to be in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the [true] God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame.

If they had been created with gender, and with the ability to have sex, they would not have needed to take on human form and take human women.

In fact that is, as I can tell you from personal experience, what is behind the majority of demons possessions now. They can no longer materialise and get their kicks first hand so they get them second hand instead.

Again it shows the demonic nature of Islam in that like it's master, Satan, it appeals to man's baser instincts, where as God appeals to our higher, more selfless instincts, assuming that we still have any left after the onslaught of the media currently.
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6/18/2013 7:29:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Not brainwashed , initially set for pleasure!!

If this were the case then it would be impossible to commit rape on Earth, since all women would have already been set to this mode. That obviously isn't the case, so they would need to be brainwashed to make them so.

Women have their fair share don't worry!

They get 70 guys who are programmed to meet their every whim? Where do these guys come from? Where do the women the guys get come from? Do the 70 you get have their own 70? It's going to get very crowded if so.

What do you mean by subjugation? what if God created female initially for and from the male, and didn't create them at the same time !!!

I mean treating as second-class citizens who are not afforded the same rights and protections as men. If god created things that way then... well, frankly, f*ck him too. I am different from my brother, created at different times, but we should be afforded the same rights and protections.

While I'm on the subject, is it specified that men get 70 virgins, or is it just 70 women in general? If the former, why specifically virgins?
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6/18/2013 7:41:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 6:52:58 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 6/14/2013 3:23:21 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it"s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?

Compare Islam"s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.

Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

It just goes to show how corrupt Islam is if that is true.

Jesus view of that?

Matthew 22:29,30 In reply Jesus said to them: "YOU are mistaken, because YOU know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God; 30 for in the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.

In other words they are as the Angels are, gender neutral.

Are the angels gender neutral?

Consider this:

Genesis 6: 1-4 Now it came about that when men started to grow in numbers on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, 2 then the sons of the [true] God began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose. 3 After that Jehovah said: "My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years."
4 The Nephilim proved to be in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the [true] God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame.

If they had been created with gender, and with the ability to have sex, they would not have needed to take on human form and take human women.

In fact that is, as I can tell you from personal experience, what is behind the majority of demons possessions now. They can no longer materialise and get their kicks first hand so they get them second hand instead.

Again it shows the demonic nature of Islam in that like it's master, Satan, it appeals to man's baser instincts, where as God appeals to our higher, more selfless instincts, assuming that we still have any left after the onslaught of the media currently.

Is the holy ghost telling you this stuff?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/18/2013 7:44:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/17/2013 9:54:56 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/16/2013 1:17:16 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 6/14/2013 3:23:21 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it"s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?

Compare Islam"s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.

Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

Regards
DL

Response: When you are capable of bringing forth quote anywhere from either the Qur'an or Sunnah that says that muslims will get 70 virgins, then maybe you'll actually have a point. Since you can't, then your whole premise is false, shows a lack of knowledge of islam, thus refuting yourself without anyone having to respond.

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Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.'

"Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39 It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.

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DL

Response: In other words, you have no evidence, thus debunking your own claim. For islam derives from the teachings of the Qur'an and sunnah, while none of what you just presented comes from the Qur'an or sunnah. Thus your claim is invalid.