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6/18/2013 7:23:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The video is on this page, the second link is Matt's response on the CARM website...

http://www.opposingviews.com...
http://carm.org...

A Jacuzzi, and dancing?? That's so gay.

Yeah it was good for a few laughs.
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6/18/2013 7:39:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 7:23:00 AM, medic0506 wrote:
The video is on this page, the second link is Matt's response on the CARM website...

http://www.opposingviews.com...
http://carm.org...

A Jacuzzi, and dancing?? That's so gay.

Yeah it was good for a few laughs.
In the carm.org piece he says this:
I told her that it wasn't that we wanted to focus on homosexuals. Instead, we have a message that all people need to hear, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, moms, dads, etc. He isn't even smart enough to understand that he is associating mums & dads with the others mentions. What sorts of morons do christians listen to? hahahahaha
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/18/2013 7:46:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 7:39:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:23:00 AM, medic0506 wrote:
The video is on this page, the second link is Matt's response on the CARM website...

http://www.opposingviews.com...
http://carm.org...

A Jacuzzi, and dancing?? That's so gay.

Yeah it was good for a few laughs.
In the carm.org piece he says this:
I told her that it wasn't that we wanted to focus on homosexuals. Instead, we have a message that all people need to hear, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, moms, dads, etc. He isn't even smart enough to understand that he is associating mums & dads with the others mentions. What sorts of morons do christians listen to? hahahahaha

You do realize that that was indeed his whole point, right?? That everyone, without exception, needs Christ.
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6/18/2013 7:52:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 7:46:48 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:39:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:23:00 AM, medic0506 wrote:
The video is on this page, the second link is Matt's response on the CARM website...

http://www.opposingviews.com...
http://carm.org...

A Jacuzzi, and dancing?? That's so gay.

Yeah it was good for a few laughs.
In the carm.org piece he says this:
I told her that it wasn't that we wanted to focus on homosexuals. Instead, we have a message that all people need to hear, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, moms, dads, etc. He isn't even smart enough to understand that he is associating mums & dads with the others mentions. What sorts of morons do christians listen to? hahahahaha

You do realize that that was indeed his whole point, right?? That everyone, without exception, needs Christ.
Ahh I see, mums & dads are no better or no worse than homosexuals or rapists or thieves or paedophiles? Now I get it, christians hate everybody equally. Must be hard to live with someone you hate? Your wife, children, parents, self. No wonder you guys are so screwed up!
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/18/2013 8:17:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Stupid is as stupid does.
Psalm 118:8, "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."
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6/18/2013 8:20:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 8:17:39 AM, Harbinger wrote:
Stupid is as stupid does.

Ah, projection. Self-deception at its finest.
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6/18/2013 10:00:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 7:39:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:23:00 AM, medic0506 wrote:
The video is on this page, the second link is Matt's response on the CARM website...

http://www.opposingviews.com...
http://carm.org...

A Jacuzzi, and dancing?? That's so gay.

Yeah it was good for a few laughs.
In the carm.org piece he says this:
I told her that it wasn't that we wanted to focus on homosexuals. Instead, we have a message that all people need to hear, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, moms, dads, etc. He isn't even smart enough to understand that he is associating mums & dads with the others mentions. What sorts of morons do christians listen to? hahahahaha

Ya, Matt Slick is an utter moron. Just an embarrassment to the human species.
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6/18/2013 10:03:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
It is obvious that gays are accepted in society, as they should be. Christians are showing themselves to be nothing more than bigots and homophobes who, in my opinion, should be ashamed of themselves. Self-evidently, there is nothing immoral about homosexual acts. All arguments to the contrary are hogwash.
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6/18/2013 10:06:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 7:52:37 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:46:48 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:39:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:23:00 AM, medic0506 wrote:
The video is on this page, the second link is Matt's response on the CARM website...

http://www.opposingviews.com...
http://carm.org...

A Jacuzzi, and dancing?? That's so gay.

Yeah it was good for a few laughs.
In the carm.org piece he says this:
I told her that it wasn't that we wanted to focus on homosexuals. Instead, we have a message that all people need to hear, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, moms, dads, etc. He isn't even smart enough to understand that he is associating mums & dads with the others mentions. What sorts of morons do christians listen to? hahahahaha

You do realize that that was indeed his whole point, right?? That everyone, without exception, needs Christ.
Ahh I see, mums & dads are no better or no worse than homosexuals or rapists or thieves or paedophiles? Now I get it, christians hate everybody equally. Must be hard to live with someone you hate? Your wife, children, parents, self. No wonder you guys are so screwed up!

That's one of the dumbest strawmen I've ever seen posted. Are you for real?? You're almost to the point of being not worthy of responding to. Pearls before swine, and all that.
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6/18/2013 10:08:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 10:06:24 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:52:37 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:46:48 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:39:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:23:00 AM, medic0506 wrote:
The video is on this page, the second link is Matt's response on the CARM website...

http://www.opposingviews.com...
http://carm.org...

A Jacuzzi, and dancing?? That's so gay.

Yeah it was good for a few laughs.
In the carm.org piece he says this:
I told her that it wasn't that we wanted to focus on homosexuals. Instead, we have a message that all people need to hear, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, moms, dads, etc. He isn't even smart enough to understand that he is associating mums & dads with the others mentions. What sorts of morons do christians listen to? hahahahaha

You do realize that that was indeed his whole point, right?? That everyone, without exception, needs Christ.
Ahh I see, mums & dads are no better or no worse than homosexuals or rapists or thieves or paedophiles? Now I get it, christians hate everybody equally. Must be hard to live with someone you hate? Your wife, children, parents, self. No wonder you guys are so screwed up!

That's one of the dumbest strawmen I've ever seen posted. Are you for real?? You're almost to the point of being not worthy of responding to. Pearls before swine, and all that.

So you have no response? Debate me on the morality of homosexuality.
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6/18/2013 10:10:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 10:03:43 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
It is obvious that gays are accepted in society, as they should be. Christians are showing themselves to be nothing more than bigots and homophobes who, in my opinion, should be ashamed of themselves. Self-evidently, there is nothing immoral about homosexual acts. All arguments to the contrary are hogwash.

You're obviously a brainwashed victim of the homosexual agenda, a component of which is to indoctrinate kids from a young age, not to believe in the Bible.
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6/18/2013 10:14:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 10:10:50 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:03:43 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
It is obvious that gays are accepted in society, as they should be. Christians are showing themselves to be nothing more than bigots and homophobes who, in my opinion, should be ashamed of themselves. Self-evidently, there is nothing immoral about homosexual acts. All arguments to the contrary are hogwash.

You're obviously a brainwashed victim of the homosexual agenda, a component of which is to indoctrinate kids from a young age, not to believe in the Bible.

You are brain washed by the Christian agenda, which is to indoctrinate kids from a young age to be low-life bigots and homophobes. Why don't you stop being a coward and debate me? I think it is because even you know your position is outrageous.
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6/18/2013 10:17:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 10:10:50 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:03:43 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
It is obvious that gays are accepted in society, as they should be. Christians are showing themselves to be nothing more than bigots and homophobes who, in my opinion, should be ashamed of themselves. Self-evidently, there is nothing immoral about homosexual acts. All arguments to the contrary are hogwash.

You're obviously a brainwashed victim of the homosexual agenda, a component of which is to indoctrinate kids from a young age, not to believe in the Bible.

Nobody should believe in The Bible anyway. It is a stupid book...
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6/18/2013 10:17:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 10:08:17 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:06:24 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:52:37 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:46:48 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:39:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:23:00 AM, medic0506 wrote:
The video is on this page, the second link is Matt's response on the CARM website...

http://www.opposingviews.com...
http://carm.org...

A Jacuzzi, and dancing?? That's so gay.

Yeah it was good for a few laughs.
In the carm.org piece he says this:
I told her that it wasn't that we wanted to focus on homosexuals. Instead, we have a message that all people need to hear, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, moms, dads, etc. He isn't even smart enough to understand that he is associating mums & dads with the others mentions. What sorts of morons do christians listen to? hahahahaha

You do realize that that was indeed his whole point, right?? That everyone, without exception, needs Christ.
Ahh I see, mums & dads are no better or no worse than homosexuals or rapists or thieves or paedophiles? Now I get it, christians hate everybody equally. Must be hard to live with someone you hate? Your wife, children, parents, self. No wonder you guys are so screwed up!

That's one of the dumbest strawmen I've ever seen posted. Are you for real?? You're almost to the point of being not worthy of responding to. Pearls before swine, and all that.

So you have no response? Debate me on the morality of homosexuality.

Ok, once my debate with Spinko is done. If you want you can go ahead and write up the challenge and pm it to me so we can work out the details.
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6/18/2013 10:18:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 10:17:47 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:08:17 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:06:24 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:52:37 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:46:48 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:39:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/18/2013 7:23:00 AM, medic0506 wrote:
The video is on this page, the second link is Matt's response on the CARM website...

http://www.opposingviews.com...
http://carm.org...

A Jacuzzi, and dancing?? That's so gay.

Yeah it was good for a few laughs.
In the carm.org piece he says this:
I told her that it wasn't that we wanted to focus on homosexuals. Instead, we have a message that all people need to hear, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, moms, dads, etc. He isn't even smart enough to understand that he is associating mums & dads with the others mentions. What sorts of morons do christians listen to? hahahahaha

You do realize that that was indeed his whole point, right?? That everyone, without exception, needs Christ.
Ahh I see, mums & dads are no better or no worse than homosexuals or rapists or thieves or paedophiles? Now I get it, christians hate everybody equally. Must be hard to live with someone you hate? Your wife, children, parents, self. No wonder you guys are so screwed up!

That's one of the dumbest strawmen I've ever seen posted. Are you for real?? You're almost to the point of being not worthy of responding to. Pearls before swine, and all that.

So you have no response? Debate me on the morality of homosexuality.

Ok, once my debate with Spinko is done. If you want you can go ahead and write up the challenge and pm it to me so we can work out the details.

Fair enough. Will gladly do.
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6/18/2013 10:20:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 10:14:17 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:10:50 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:03:43 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
It is obvious that gays are accepted in society, as they should be. Christians are showing themselves to be nothing more than bigots and homophobes who, in my opinion, should be ashamed of themselves. Self-evidently, there is nothing immoral about homosexual acts. All arguments to the contrary are hogwash.

You're obviously a brainwashed victim of the homosexual agenda, a component of which is to indoctrinate kids from a young age, not to believe in the Bible.

You are brain washed by the Christian agenda, which is to indoctrinate kids from a young age to be low-life bigots and homophobes. Why don't you stop being a coward and debate me? I think it is because even you know your position is outrageous.

Don't get yer panties all twisted up in a bunch. If you'd give me time to post after your challenge you'd see that I agreed to the debate.
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6/18/2013 10:25:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 10:20:44 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:14:17 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:10:50 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 10:03:43 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
It is obvious that gays are accepted in society, as they should be. Christians are showing themselves to be nothing more than bigots and homophobes who, in my opinion, should be ashamed of themselves. Self-evidently, there is nothing immoral about homosexual acts. All arguments to the contrary are hogwash.

You're obviously a brainwashed victim of the homosexual agenda, a component of which is to indoctrinate kids from a young age, not to believe in the Bible.

You are brain washed by the Christian agenda, which is to indoctrinate kids from a young age to be low-life bigots and homophobes. Why don't you stop being a coward and debate me? I think it is because even you know your position is outrageous.

Don't get yer panties all twisted up in a bunch. If you'd give me time to post after your challenge you'd see that I agreed to the debate.

I challenged you, then you posted right after me ignoring my challenge. It wasn't until recently that you finally accepted.
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6/18/2013 4:28:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Poor Matt Slick. The only thing worse than being ignorant is ... being ignorant, yet envisioning oneself as an expert. After reading Matt's analysis of Mark 16: 16, one can only conclude that he is but one of those smatterers that doesn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint.
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6/18/2013 4:34:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 4:28:53 PM, annanicole wrote:
Poor Matt Slick. The only thing worse than being ignorant is ... being ignorant, yet envisioning oneself as an expert. After reading Matt's analysis of Mark 16: 16, one can only conclude that he is but one of those smatterers that doesn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint.

Ummm pot, kettle........................................

You too have so much to learn. I just hope you learn it before it is too late.
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6/18/2013 5:34:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 4:34:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 6/18/2013 4:28:53 PM, annanicole wrote:
Poor Matt Slick. The only thing worse than being ignorant is ... being ignorant, yet envisioning oneself as an expert. After reading Matt's analysis of Mark 16: 16, one can only conclude that he is but one of those smatterers that doesn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint.

Ummm pot, kettle........................................

You too have so much to learn. I just hope you learn it before it is too late.

If you are defending Matt Slick, then the one with something to learn here is you. Just saying...
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6/18/2013 5:40:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 8:20:34 AM, PrivateEye wrote:
At 6/18/2013 8:17:39 AM, Harbinger wrote:
Stupid is as stupid does.

Ah, projection. Self-deception at its finest.

Well at least I am not a confessed satan worshipper. Do not make me expose you.
Psalm 118:8, "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."
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6/18/2013 6:35:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 5:34:04 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 6/18/2013 4:34:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 6/18/2013 4:28:53 PM, annanicole wrote:
Poor Matt Slick. The only thing worse than being ignorant is ... being ignorant, yet envisioning oneself as an expert. After reading Matt's analysis of Mark 16: 16, one can only conclude that he is but one of those smatterers that doesn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint.

Ummm pot, kettle........................................

You too have so much to learn. I just hope you learn it before it is too late.

If you are defending Matt Slick, then the one with something to learn here is you. Just saying...

No, I'm not defending anyone. I know nothing about the guy, nor do I want to.

That was simply a comment to Anna. She will know what I mean.
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6/18/2013 7:32:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 4:34:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 6/18/2013 4:28:53 PM, annanicole wrote:
Poor Matt Slick. The only thing worse than being ignorant is ... being ignorant, yet envisioning oneself as an expert. After reading Matt's analysis of Mark 16: 16, one can only conclude that he is but one of those smatterers that doesn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint.

Ummm pot, kettle........................................

You too have so much to learn. I just hope you learn it before it is too late.

Listen, Matt Slick claims the same "Holy Spirit enlightment" that you do - and offers the same ridiculous defenses. The boy "feels" it. He's "illuminated." The only thing he hasn't done is aligned himself with a group of failed speculators.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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6/18/2013 8:14:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/18/2013 7:32:05 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 6/18/2013 4:34:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 6/18/2013 4:28:53 PM, annanicole wrote:
Poor Matt Slick. The only thing worse than being ignorant is ... being ignorant, yet envisioning oneself as an expert. After reading Matt's analysis of Mark 16: 16, one can only conclude that he is but one of those smatterers that doesn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint.

Ummm pot, kettle........................................

You too have so much to learn. I just hope you learn it before it is too late.

Listen, Matt Slick claims the same "Holy Spirit enlightment" that you do - and offers the same ridiculous defenses. The boy "feels" it. He's "illuminated." The only thing he hasn't done is aligned himself with a group of failed speculators.

So what. I get it he doesn't many will, and do, as you say, claim that enlightenment, you just have to choose which one is telling the truth is all. One group will be, the others will not. That's what 1 John 4:1 is all about.

Nothing ridiculous about my defences. My defence is scripture, nothing more nothing less. If I don;t teac what scripture teaches then ignore what I say. Simple as.

However that is precisely what I do teach so..............................

I can't say that I don't feel it, because scripture tells us that it will bear witness with the spirits of those who receive it. However, as it happens I have also felt Satan's spirit so I know the difference, and I have had much tangible evidence in the things I have been empowered to do that I could have done no other way.

Of course that is only proof for me.

Proof or denial for you should come in whether or not I display the fruits of the spirit, because only those who get it will do so Galatians 5:22-24 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus impaled the flesh together with its passions and desires.

However the main test of my genuineness is the in scripture. Believe it or not, that is your choice, but you will, as will everyone, be judged on that choice, so make sure you get it right.

I cannot say other than I am guided to say, "miserable slave that I am", nor would I if I could. Like God and Christ I want all to live, to choose life. Like them I know not all will, but I shall continue to do all I can to help further God's cause.

All I have ever wanted was to serve God His way. It was my fervent prayer as a child, and I trust Him not to let me down.
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6/19/2013 4:16:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
MCB: "Nothing ridiculous about my defences. My defence is scripture, nothing more nothing less. If I don;t teac what scripture teaches then ignore what I say. Simple as.

Anna: Oh, I have ... many times. I ignored most of what you said about the kingdom of God - since you said you were in it, out of it, that it existed way back yonder in the OT, then in the New, then it was yet future. I also ignored your statements to the effect that "He that believeth and is not baptized shall be saved", and that baptism is not necessary to the remission of sins. Whatever spirit supposedly illuminated that stuff for you wasn't holy at all.

*****

MCB: "However the main test of my genuineness is the in scripture. "

Anna: More like "the only test" - and you flunked it on the kingdom, flunked it on the design and purpose (especially the purpose) of water baptism, and you are presently flunking it on the name "Christians" in Acts 11. For the latter, you do not need Holy Spirit guidance; you need Lexicon Spirit guidance.

*****

MCB: However that is precisely what I do teach so..............................

Anna: Yeah, right. Remember your positions and explanations on baptism?

"Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

(1) Repent, (2) Be baptized, (3) Remission of sins, (4) Receive gift of the Spirit
(1) Arise, (2) Be baptized, (3) Calling on His name, (4) Sins washed away (Acts 22)
(1) Having believed, (2) Having been baptized, (3) Shall be saved (Mark 16)
(1) Born or water and of the Spirit, (2) enter the kingdom of God (John 3)

No, sir ... you do not talk like the Book reads.

*****

MCB: "I can't say that I don't feel it, because scripture tells us that it will bear witness with the spirits of those who receive it. "

Anna: You might blurt out that you "feel" it - but that passage doesn't teach it. The Spirit can bear witness very easily without you "feeling" it.

*****

By the way, I never saw your "illuminated" analysis of Acts 22: 16.

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name."

Your doctrine places the washing away of sins prior to immersion - which in turn totally undermines the sense of urgency in the first part of the verse. According to your doctrine, no real urgency should exist. Of course, the truth is that baptism is an appeal, an invocation of the authority and power of Jesus Christ. It is the final step that one takes in responding to the grace of God - not the only step, not necessarily the most important step - but simply the LAST step of a penitent believer. Hence, it may be accurately portrayed as "washing away thy sins." It won't do to just say, "Oh, you're wrong." Explain it, because it contradicts your doctrine.
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6/19/2013 5:11:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/19/2013 4:16:29 AM, annanicole wrote:
MCB: "Nothing ridiculous about my defences. My defence is scripture, nothing more nothing less. If I don;t teac what scripture teaches then ignore what I say. Simple as.

Anna: Oh, I have ... many times. I ignored most of what you said about the kingdom of God - since you said you were in it, out of it, that it existed way back yonder in the OT, then in the New, then it was yet future. I also ignored your statements to the effect that "He that believeth and is not baptized shall be saved", and that baptism is not necessary to the remission of sins. Whatever spirit supposedly illuminated that stuff for you wasn't holy at all.

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MCB: "However the main test of my genuineness is the in scripture. "

Anna: More like "the only test" - and you flunked it on the kingdom, flunked it on the design and purpose (especially the purpose) of water baptism, and you are presently flunking it on the name "Christians" in Acts 11. For the latter, you do not need Holy Spirit guidance; you need Lexicon Spirit guidance.

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No, what you don;t understand is that the Kingdom, like so many things, has a number of facets and a number of fulfilments, the final two of which are yet to come when it extends it's rule over the whole earth, and finally when Christ hands it over to his Father.

The bible often speaks of thigns has having happened, because they are certain to do so, even though the actual event is in the future.

And no I haven't failed. As long as I stick to God's word I cannot fail. You have failed to get the understanding of what I have said. Only God can give you that, I do not have that power




MCB: However that is precisely what I do teach so..............................

Anna: Yeah, right. Remember your positions and explanations on baptism?

"Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

(1) Repent, (2) Be baptized, (3) Remission of sins, (4) Receive gift of the Spirit
(1) Arise, (2) Be baptized, (3) Calling on His name, (4) Sins washed away (Acts 22)
(1) Having believed, (2) Having been baptized, (3) Shall be saved (Mark 16)
(1) Born or water and of the Spirit, (2) enter the kingdom of God (John 3)

No, sir ... you do not talk like the Book reads.

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MCB: "I can't say that I don't feel it, because scripture tells us that it will bear witness with the spirits of those who receive it. "

Anna: You might blurt out that you "feel" it - but that passage doesn't teach it. The Spirit can bear witness very easily without you "feeling" it.

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By the way, I never saw your "illuminated" analysis of Acts 22: 16.

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name."

Your doctrine places the washing away of sins prior to immersion - which in turn totally undermines the sense of urgency in the first part of the verse. According to your doctrine, no real urgency should exist. Of course, the truth is that baptism is an appeal, an invocation of the authority and power of Jesus Christ. It is the final step that one takes in responding to the grace of God - not the only step, not necessarily the most important step - but simply the LAST step of a penitent believer. Hence, it may be accurately portrayed as "washing away thy sins." It won't do to just say, "Oh, you're wrong." Explain it, because it contradicts your doctrine.

It is not my position on Baptism, it is what scripture states.

Baptism only becomes urgent when the candidate truly understand what they are getting baptised for, what it represent. It does not literally wash away sin, that is impossible, because when we are sin free we will also be perfect. As Christ demonstrated with the paralytic lowered through the roof to him, he healed, and heals in a spiritual sense, by forgiving sins because sin brings with it sickness and death. When we are sin free we will not get sick and die.

Hence Baptism can only be a symbol. An important one because by undergoing it you are declaring a belief in and acceptance of all that scripture represents, especially Christ's role in it.

Not an understanding you should declare before you actually have it.

Hence you notice that in all the cases where someone is encouraged to accept baptism it is because they have reached that understanding, not before.
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6/19/2013 5:54:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
@mad
No, what you don;t understand is that the Kingdom, like so many things, has a number of facets and a number of fulfilments

And all of these were known by Charlie. Just as he knew all of the dates of Armageddon, from 1887 onwards. He didn't get any of them right, but that is even more reason to believe what he said. He was just testing the jehovians. The next prophecy will be true, just like all the others. Oh wait...............
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/19/2013 6:49:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/19/2013 5:54:37 AM, bulproof wrote:
@mad
No, what you don;t understand is that the Kingdom, like so many things, has a number of facets and a number of fulfilments

And all of these were known by Charlie. Just as he knew all of the dates of Armageddon, from 1887 onwards. He didn't get any of them right, but that is even more reason to believe what he said. He was just testing the jehovians. The next prophecy will be true, just like all the others. Oh wait...............

Oh there was a lot he didn't know at the time, and whihc those who came after him have corrected, but he set the Brothers on the right road at least.

The JWs would be the first to admit they made mistakes at first, but they were honest enough to admit them and move on from them.

God has never revealed everything at once. As scripture tells us, the path of the righteous one is in ever increasing light, so as time goes on they see more and understand more.

The past is unimportant. It is the present and future that amtter.
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6/19/2013 11:15:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
MCB: "It is not my position on Baptism, it is what scripture states."

Anna: The following will be an example of it.

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MCB: "Baptism only becomes urgent when the candidate truly understand what they are getting baptised for, what it represent."

Anna: I never said otherwise. And as far as your doctrine, is it really urgent then?

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MCB: "It does not literally wash away sin, that is impossible"

Anna: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ...."

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MCB: "when we are sin free we will also be perfect."

Anna: When our sins are forgiven ... when they are remitted .... when they are washed away .... when they are blotted out, we are counted as sin-free.

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MCB: "When we are sin free we will not get sick and die."

Anna: Yeah, we will. Some babies die within seconds. They are sin-free. Your doctrine is, "Be a good boy, and live forever."

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MCB: "Hence Baptism can only be a symbol."

Anna; Doesn't fit your doctrine, does it? I knew it wouldn't.

In fact, according to you, sins are not forgiven, remitted, washed away, blotted out, and equivalent phrases - at least that's how it appears.

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MCB: "Hence you notice that in all the cases where someone is encouraged to accept baptism it is because they have reached that understanding, not before."

Anna: Of course. What difference does that make? Baptism is still unto the remission of sins, to wash away sins ... to be saved.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."