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AtheistExile
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12/4/2009 9:13:11 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Pat just keeps getting better and better. Below is the transcript of his latest video. Those of you who feel secure in your particular religion would do well to digest the criticisms that follow . . .

. . . Well, I've been hearing quite a lot of bitching and whining in the press lately about aggressive, intolerant, atheism; as if that's, somehow, a bad thing. It seems religion can dish it out okay but it can't take it: like a street thug who calls the police when his victims fight back. Aggressive atheism is really defensive atheism, because right now nothing is more aggressive than political religion. Being an atheist or secularist today is no longer a matter of opting out; but of actively fending off. So I'd say any abuse religion gets, it's got coming ten times over. And, besides, I don't think it's possible to be too aggressive in defending freedom of speech, which is, of course, absolutely sacred, as we all know. Much, much, more sacred than any god or prophet or scripture could or will ever be, from now until the end of time – or eternity – whichever lasts longer. People sometimes tell me, "You know, you're just as intolerant as the people you criticize." Really? I hope so . . . because somebody has to be. There are some things I'm very intolerant of and there's no point in trying to deny that. Let's see now . . . there's misogyny and sexism – I'm extremely intolerant of them ( I hope that doesn't offend) – racism, antisemitism . . . no . . . no tolerance of them, I'm afraid. Sorry about that. Homophobia, perhaps? Not a shred of tolerance to be found. Gosh, I do have some issues, don't I? How about cruelty to animals? Again, absolutely no tolerance whatsoever.
But brace yourselves, because that's not the half of it. Not only am I openly and brazenly intolerant of all those things . . . but if religion is used as an excuse for any of them, I'm afraid I become aggressively hostile and, what's more, I don't apologize for that because I have no need to apologize for it. And neither do you.

I'm always being told that I should respect people's feelings. Well, okay. But what about my feelings? What about the feeling of utter revulsion I get whenever I think about the God of the desert and the horrible thoughts and deeds he inspires. This God is my Satan. When I hear his name, I smell sulfur: when I hear his words, I smell death. I can see that his filthy religion has polluted the world I have to live in far more thoroughly than any fossil fuel could ever dream of. And I can see that everything about this God has been purposely designed to poison our experience of life on Earth – not to enhance it. To keep us fearful. To suppress knowledge. To curtail freedom and creativity. And to celebrate death. It's nothing less than the dumbing down of the human race. And demanding respect for it is, frankly, an insult that deserves to be repaid with considerable interest.

Religion deserves no respect at all because:

A.) It offers no respect at all.
B.) It offers no evidence at all.

Evidence is actually unwelcome, as it removes the need for faith: and that would be such a waste of all that phony virtue. Faith is one of the 3 phony virtues; the others being piety and righteousness. Not so much a trinity, as 3 ugly sisters. Unlike the witches in Macbeth who see the world in a caldron, these 3 have done their best to turn the place into one (praise the Lord) and they're still going strong. Among the many gifts from these delightful muses we have, well, the Middle East conflict for a start – and that's the gift that just seems to keep on giving – not to mention the cancer at the heart of it: Jerusalem. That jewel in the desert; that celestial piss-hole in the sand, from which the spiritual black death of the Middle Eastern desert has oozed and spread throughout this world like a vile oil slick; coating and contaminating everything it touches with a thick slime of pious ignorance . . . only we don't call it ignorance, we call it faith.

What a horrible little word that is: faith. Exuding, as it does, its fake aura of purity and virtue while fronting some of the ugliest ideas this planet has ever seen. Closing people's hearts when it should be opening them; making them proud of things they should be ashamed of; and ashamed of things they should be proud of.

When we look at the violent barbarism of the Islamic world, we can see that no righteous act is too depraved for a mind that claims the full license allowed by faith. If you take this God completely at his word, you can be just like him: a vicious heartless monster . . . and feel good about it.

Even in the civilized world, nothing is too dishonorable to be sanitized by faith. It was faith, remember, that deprived gay people in California of their basic civil rights on the same day that America elected a black president. It was faith that persuaded Christian black people to send the gays to the back of the bus.

And all this would be ugly enough on its own but, because of the free pass that we consistently give to this fake virtue of faith, religion is now completely out of control. It's already got its hands around the throat of the United Nations and it's pushing for a world-wide blasphemy law to protect people from hearing words that might crowbar their tiny minds out of the stone age.

The very concept of blasphemy is a perfect illustration of the cowardly immaturity of the religious mind and the emptiness of religion itself. If religion contained any truth, it could be ridiculed, insulted, even defiled, without being diminished in any way. Its truth would shine through: undimmed, unblemished, shaming those who abused it into silence. But that's not how things are. Religion is prickly. It's intolerant. It's ultra-defensive precisely because it's brittle and fragile. It's about as substantial as a meringue. It's all froth and no substance. It's had thousands of years to make its case and all it's produced is sophistry, violence and a raft of morals that would shame a rattlesnake. And no amount of windbaggery and flim-flam from clergy can any longer disguise the simple bald fact that there is nothing there.

The only true thing about religion is that it's false. Its claim to higher knowledge is laughable: it doesn't even have any lower knowledge. Not one of its ludicrous claims about reality would have a hope in hell of standing up in a court of law . . . and it's time we stop treating them as if they do. That's all we're saying and that's all we're asking.

And anyone who thinks that's too aggressive knows what they can do with themselves. And if they don't, I'll be more than happy to tell them. Peace: crazy idea; crazy times.
Jim Ashby
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"Knowledge is a relatively safe addiction . . . that is, until it becomes idolatry." ~Anonymous

"The Abrahamic religions have been THE most persistently divisive influence in the history of mankind." ~Jim Ashby
IndigoVagabond
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12/4/2009 11:17:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
What an...interesting read. I believe replying to this article would help me improve my skills for when I have my first debate on this website.

Original article in bold
My responses unaltered

When I use the word 'you' in my responses, I am referring to Pat Condell. It felt too awkward constantly speaking about him as a third party. Excuse me if it makes this post more difficult to read.

. . . Well, I've been hearing quite a lot of bitching and whining in the press lately about aggressive, intolerant, atheism; as if that's, somehow, a bad thing. It seems religion can dish it out okay but it can't take it: like a street thug who calls the police when his victims fight back. Aggressive atheism is really defensive atheism, because right now nothing is more aggressive than political religion. Being an atheist or secularist today is no longer a matter of opting out; but of actively fending off.
For any category a group of people can be defined as being a part of, there will always be those within it that negatively represent it. Likewise, I believe that there exists good within anything as well. These are the most obvious facts to point out depending on what you're trying to prove. The points cancel each other out. This is why I consider it invalid. I myself have fallen victim to it in the past but in recent years I'm proud to say I make a conscious effort to look past it. I am doing it right now by not judging all of atheism by this one person who has their head...well, I'll just continue to politely rebuttal my thoughts.

So I'd say any abuse religion gets, it's got coming ten times over.

I welcome any and all opposition the world feels it can throw at me. Great pride stems from my ability to absorb it and remain steadfast. Christians have not been promised an easy life. Quite the opposite, in fact. We are destined to receive ridicule from the doubters. Compared to the martyrs of the past I will happily face a hundred fold the amount of verbal abuse any number of people feel we deserve. When I stand in front of the Lord someday, I want nothing more than to say I fought the good fight. Thanks to people like this, I am able to justify the aforementioned statement.

And, besides, I don't think it's possible to be too aggressive in defending freedom of speech, which is, of course, absolutely sacred, as we all know. Much, much, more sacred than any god or prophet or scripture could or will ever be, from now until the end of time – or eternity – whichever lasts longer.

Freedom of speech is a beautiful right that we have been given. Everyone should feel they have the ability to exercise it in any way they see fit. From an atheistic perspective I would agree. I certainly hope a man that does not believe in God would consider something that doesn't exist to be held in higher esteem than that which does (freedom of speech). It is good to see this person functions within the realm of reason.

Well, for the most part. Everything was fine until he began speaking in future tense. For a person that does not believe in divine revelation of future events, they have nothing supporting a statement claiming certain events could never take place. I'm rather sure if the American government ran a snake god op, simulating a full-scale alien invasion of our planet with 'irrefutable' evidence against religion, once again 'irrefutable' evidence for evolution, mankind would wholly accept any new religion their new anti-Christ overlord could offer. Just a random, crazy thought.

People sometimes tell me, "You know, you're just as intolerant as the people you criticize." Really? I hope so . . . because somebody has to be. There are some things I'm very intolerant of and there's no point in trying to deny that. Let's see now . . . there's misogyny and sexism – I'm extremely intolerant of them ( I hope that doesn't offend) – racism, antisemitism . . . no . . . no tolerance of them, I'm afraid. Sorry about that. Homophobia, perhaps? Not a shred of tolerance to be found. Gosh, I do have some issues, don't I? How about cruelty to animals? Again, absolutely no tolerance whatsoever.

Misogyny, sexism, racism, antisemitism, homophobia, cruelty to animals? My good! I have little tolerance for those things as well. Good to see we're starting to see eye to eye. All people are created equal, no matter their sex, race, social standing, sexual orientation, or anything else.

Anyone who has taken the time to view my profile will notice I do not approve of gay marriage. I'm sure my friend Pat Condell would interpret this as homophobia. That's why I'd like to make a special effort to explain. Homophobia is defined as, "a strong and unreasonable dislike of homosexual people, especially." I harbor no dislike of any homosexual. I view their lifestyle choice wrong, but all sin is wrong. They are no more evil than a straight person.

But brace yourselves, because that's not the half of it. Not only am I openly and brazenly intolerant of all those things . . . but if religion is used as an excuse for any of them, I'm afraid I become aggressively hostile and, what's more, I don't apologize for that because I have no need to apologize for it. And neither do you.

Good show. I am angered by people who hide behind religion to attack specific things they disapprove of. I try to help everyone try to be a better person. It doesn't matter what sins they are guilt of. We could all do for improvement in our lives. I'm afraid blatant aggression will get you nowhere, Pat. All you will succeed in is turning more people against you - even if you are right. At that point I'm sure nobody gives a rat's behind if you apologize or not.

I'm always being told that I should respect people's feelings. Well, okay. But what about my feelings? What about the feeling of utter revulsion I get whenever I think about the God of the desert and the horrible thoughts and deeds he inspires. This God is my Satan. When I hear his name, I smell sulfur: when I hear his words, I smell death.

Everyone is accountable for their own actions. What they think, say, and do, can only be blamed on them. Small kittens could send me into a blind rage. If I then went on to commit atrocious acts, would you ever blame the small kittens for it? No, of course not. Blaming God is easy in this instance. Because it furthers your own point. In turn I could say I am disgusted that atheism could spawn such a vile abomination to the world such as yourself, saying incomprehensibly arrogant things. Except that would be wrong. My anger is directed at you, not atheism. This goes back to the original point I made of there being negative representations within all groups.
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12/4/2009 11:18:08 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I can see that his filthy religion has polluted the world I have to live in far more thoroughly than any fossil fuel could ever dream of. And I can see that everything about this God has been purposely designed to poison our experience of life on Earth – not to enhance it. To keep us fearful. To suppress knowledge. To curtail freedom and creativity. And to celebrate death. It's nothing less than the dumbing down of the human race. And demanding respect for it is, frankly, an insult that deserves to be repaid with considerable interest.

I consider my life enriched in every way in contrast to my life prior to becoming a Christian. In fact, my fears have all been put to rest. I turn everything over to God's hands and know He will always watch over me. My name is in the Lamb's Book of Life. I rejoice, not fear. Not to brag but I also believe I am a rather intelligent person. On the topic of religion alone, I have studied many others: Christian denominations, Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Islam, among others. I have also spent a lot of time research evolution, Agnosticism, Atheism, Scientology and more.

One nation under God...the country with the most freedom in the world...maybe I'm just crazy. As far as creativity goes I aspire to be a professional novelist some day. I write fictional stories and short stories. Creativity is subjective, so it's rather challenging for me to actually prove my stories fit the criteria. In my opinion they are.

Now, I hate to sound like a broken record, but just to remind you one more time everyone is responsible for their own actions. if such a large portion of mankind is foolish enough to believe such flat out lies and turn away from truth so easily, then we really are doomed. We deserve the wrath of a God to punish all of us for an error of that magnitude. A humanity such as that could never turn righteous on their own. They will only go down the road of destruction. I too have no respect for people who try and lead the minority of intelligent people left towards that path. I just don't blame God or religion for it.

Anyone can make a claim about anything. The burden of proof rests on the head of the man making the claim. I'm not the one here to prove what I say is true, simply that all of your points can easily be reversed. Just as easily, I could have ignored all of this because it accomplishes nothing.

Religion deserves no respect at all because:

A.) It offers no respect at all.


I have been respectful this entire time. I show respect to everyone as a human being, the same way I would want them to treat me. Also, I am equally sure that I'm not the only religious person on the planet with that kind of attitude. Dealing with life in absolutes is fairly immature. I'm more than willing to admit that there are extremely smart, respectful atheists. Some of them are my friends and I discuss things with them whenever I can.

B.) It offers no evidence at all.

*cough*

Well, this is an entirely separate debate in itself. I could sit here all weekend and type up, reference, and point out every little bit of scientific evidence that proves the word of God is true. Similarly, I could spend that time refuting practically every single piece of 'evidence' against my religion. I don't believe in faith. I believe in truth. That's why I'm a Christian.

You state there religion offers no evidence at all. This is an absolute. I assume you mean there does not exist one single piece of evidence, no matter how small, that could ever be misconstrued as something that proves religion (Christianity, in my case). Allow me to prove you wrong quickly, so I can continue:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."
- Genesis 7:11

This verse describes hydrothermal vents on the oceanic floor more than 3,000 years before scientists discovered them. Job 38:16 is another reference to this fact. Unless you can prove that this fact was never mentioned in any version of the bible existing prior to the year 1949, it's solid evidence supporting the bible and its divine inspiration.

After reading the rest of this transcript, I must admit that I am done. I have done the best I humanly can to tolerate such low brow ignorance in order to politely prove it wrong. At this point, I'm reluctant to say, it is no longer worth it. The amount of vulgar, racist comments, unhindered diarrhea of the mouth, and a complete lack of self control - or dignity - leads me to concede my response. Yes, he is a comedian, but there are no rules against comedians being reasonably intelligent. I'm quite sure it's possible to prove wrong something you disagree with using facts and still make people laugh. If this man his right in what he believes, he definitely isn't the one to prove it true.

To the original poster of this thread, I feel as secure in what I believe than ever. I'm not sure what this was supposed to accomplish. If anything I feel better that I am not as bottom feeding as this individual. My criticism of him has nothing to do with him being an Atheist. It has nothing to do with him trying to prove religion wrong. It's the fact that he's a hypocritical, glaringly racist, stereotyping, illogical man with the mind of a child insulting that which he does not understand and supports a perspective simply because it contrasts what he hates with a reservoir of unfounded claims.

I pray for the soul of this man and any who support his words.
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12/5/2009 1:40:46 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/4/2009 11:17:53 PM, IndigoVagabond wrote:

For any category a group of people can be defined as being a part of, there will always be those within it that negatively represent it. Likewise, I believe that there exists good within anything as well. These are the most obvious facts to point out depending on what you're trying to prove. The points cancel each other out. This is why I consider it invalid.


So your logic, Indigo, is that the good cancels out the bad (or vice versa), so any argument against the bad is invalid? By that logic, any argument against the good would also be invalid. Such a simple-minded response is typical of true believers. The bar for rationality is not set very high when your worldview is based on the authority of ancient scripture written during man's darkest age of ignorance.

I welcome any and all opposition the world feels it can throw at me. Great pride stems from my ability to absorb it and remain steadfast. Christians have not been promised an easy life. Quite the opposite, in fact. We are destined to receive ridicule from the doubters.


You're confessing to taking pride in your closed mind. Only a true believer could say such a thing with a straight face. Congratulations. I'm truly impressed.

Anyone who has taken the time to view my profile will notice I do not approve of gay marriage. I'm sure my friend Pat Condell would interpret this as homophobia. That's why I'd like to make a special effort to explain. Homophobia is defined as, "a strong and unreasonable dislike of homosexual people, especially." I harbor no dislike of any homosexual. I view their lifestyle choice wrong, but all sin is wrong. They are no more evil than a straight person.


Yeah, Indigo, there's nothing wrong with gay people . . . it's just the way they live that bothers you. I think we all understand that distinction for what it is. And for sheer hubris and hypocrisy, look what you say next . . .

Good show. I am angered by people who hide behind religion to attack specific things they disapprove of. I try to help everyone try to be a better person. It doesn't matter what sins they are guilt of. We could all do for improvement in our lives. I'm afraid blatant aggression will get you nowhere, Pat. All you will succeed in is turning more people against you - even if you are right. At that point I'm sure nobody gives a rat's behind if you apologize or not.


. . . And this from the guy hiding behind religion to pass judgment on homosexuals. You truly are helping us to be better people by demonstrating, in black and white, what it is we should NOT do. Thanks for the invaluable lesson.

Everyone is accountable for their own actions. What they think, say, and do, can only be blamed on them. Small kittens could send me into a blind rage. If I then went on to commit atrocious acts, would you ever blame the small kittens for it? No, of course not. Blaming God is easy in this instance. Because it furthers your own point. In turn I could say I am disgusted that atheism could spawn such a vile abomination to the world such as yourself, saying incomprehensibly arrogant things. Except that would be wrong. My anger is directed at you, not atheism. This goes back to the original point I made of there being negative representations within all groups.

So, Indigo, you're equating God and kittens? Your rationale leaves a lot to be desired. How many kittens do you know who divinely inspire scripture that divides mankind for millennia? How many itty bitty kitties curse all of mankind for the very first error ever made by the very first people that ever existed?

That's one hell of a petty and vindictive pussycat.
Jim Ashby
http://AtheistExile.com...

"Knowledge is a relatively safe addiction . . . that is, until it becomes idolatry." ~Anonymous

"The Abrahamic religions have been THE most persistently divisive influence in the history of mankind." ~Jim Ashby