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Izayah003
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6/28/2013 4:14:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Now this is going to be long, but I wanted to discuss a few issues, and present my opinion on these issues for people to discuss. Now for those who don't know or have not read my posts before, I am a man of faith, I put no stock in religion for I feel that organized religion is the very thing Christ preached against. Now my view of Christ may differ from the main stream, I am not as concerned about what title you want to give him, I know that he did exist, but to me it doesn't matter if he was the messiah, a profit, or just an extraordinary person who preached the word of god as a faith, and fought against organized religion, greed, corruption, and so on. If you want to think about it, Christ could be seen as the first true socialist who preached about wealth being shared, free healthcare for all, and peace, and love. But no matter what title you choose to give him I do not believe he ever wanted his teachings to be turned into an organized religion.

This brings me to the Bible, the book that is the very foundation of most faiths, without this book, the religions would crumble. If you do not believe me, try and look back at a time where the bible was not used to argue their faith. It isn't just the Bible either, look back in human history, what should be seen as mere history books, have been turned into pillars of faith, no matter what religion it is, these books are used to determine who cultures way of life, it is also a cause for some of the greatest atrocities in our history. Even today there is war between two cultures over religion, a war that has raged on for over 2000 years. I challenge anyone to think of a time when the Bible, or religion has brought peace and prosperity to a people without it being chains or cause of harm to another. Now am I saying that everything in the bible is total BS, not at all, but I am saying that it has more holes in it then swiss cheese, and each new discover puts another hole in it. Adam and Eve could have existed, but to believe that God put 2 white people in the jungle with no sun screen, they had sex, and now we have all the different races of humans, White, Black, Asian, Hispanics, Spanish, Native Americans, The Tea Party, and with as much inbreeding that would have to take place, very few retards (again the Tea Party) is beyond logic, and has no rational proof. And there is stories like this throughout the bible, great for reading, but no historical, physical, or rational proof it ever happened save the church tell you it did.

I have a very simple rule, and it has also helped to refine my faith in Christ, if you can't make a rational objection to something without needing the bible to back your claim, then your objection isn't rational. The bible is not god, the bible is not the only place to find gods word, and the bible has been used to drown out gods word and Christs teachings. An if you think the bible was inspired by god, why did it take the crucifixion of his son before it was created? In part because the different documents written as testaments, or story's were never meant to be gathered up, put into a book, and then proclaims "how to live your life" and it was collated and the documents within were determined by the roman church, which I find very interesting since they are the ones who crucified Christ for his faith diminishing their religions followers. And what a great way to get back at Christ too, let's kill him, and then take his teachings "this new god" and let's turn it into the very thing he preached against, and that way we can keep control of the masses, and claim that we have killed his son, and then sen the light. Which is way today the Roman church is the greatest power on earth. Let's look at at other events in history, the bible, the christian religion being used as a means to condone war and bloodshed during the crusades, there are other acts of evil done in god name and supposedly at the time justified as gods will. Even today people like the WBC spread their hate in the name of god, and has anything happened to them? Where is gods wrath? Maybe they have it right since they use the bible to back this hate. And should there still be slavery? Shouldn't women still have no rights but to be obedient to men? If you believe in the bible then they should be. Ah but we don't look at these things anymore because times have changed.

This leads me to the issue of gay marriage and the gross assertions made that Christ was against it, you know what Christ said about Gays? The same thing he did about abortions... Nothing. In fact to touch on the topic of abortions, the greatest proponent of abortions was god and Christians in the bible, there is even a recipe in the bible on how to give a women a miscarriage, look up Numbers chapter 5:21-22, and through the bible god sent entire army's to slaughter women carrying children. Yet pro-lifers claim that it is an abomination to god. Back to gay marriage, of course it would be in the bible, back then they found a lot of things to be an abomination, such as women having rights, slaves being freed, hell eating shell fish was considered a sin in the bible, so their goes Red Lobster, the restaurant of the devil huh? See I like how people use the bible to justify their hate, to justify their own bigotry and fear, buy claiming that Christ thinks it's wrong, well sad to say Christ had no opinion on the matter, he always preached about love and peace, and if you have seen most gay couples, that's what they preach too, they are also much better dressers then most strait people. But while they condemn those things that they themselves don't like are are sickened by, then ignore the others as well, so if you want to use the bible to condemn hate, then you also believe that women s only role is in servitude to men, and so they can't work, their only function is to be barefoot and prego in the kitchen. Also you are for slavery, the oppression of another human being, you think Christ was? See even in the bible it has the hidden messages that it's not real, or that it's not god, because while the roman Catholics could turn his teachings into a religion to keep control, the one thing they couldn't do is control his teachings which contradict their religion of Christianity...
"When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest." - Abraham Lincoln
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6/28/2013 4:53:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/28/2013 4:14:33 PM, Izayah003 wrote:
Now this is going to be long, but I wanted to discuss a few issues, and present my opinion on these issues for people to discuss. Now for those who don't know or have not read my posts before, I am a man of faith, I put no stock in religion for I feel that organized religion is the very thing Christ preached against.
I completely disagree.

Now my view of Christ may differ from the main stream, I am not as concerned about what title you want to give him, I know that he did exist, but to me it doesn't matter if he was the messiah, a profit, or just an extraordinary person who preached the word of god as a faith, and fought against organized religion, greed, corruption, and so on.
If He was not divine, then how exactly is it that you have faith? And why then is Jesus so special to you if there's been plenty of others before and after Him that have fought against organized religion, greed, corruption, and so on? (Not that I agree with all the things you are attributing to Him.)

If you want to think about it, Christ could be seen as the first true socialist who preached about wealth being shared, free healthcare for all, and peace, and love. But no matter what title you choose to give him I do not believe he ever wanted his teachings to be turned into an organized religion.
I was wondering whether you new Christ and His message but now I am sure: you have no idea what He was about. Christ was not political and stayed away from politics. He believed in personal salvation and responsibility NOT in group salvation. He did not believe in stealing from Paul to pay Peter. And as far as I can tell, he said nothing about public healthcare or demanding things for free, quite the contrary. Sounds like you have a pop-culture view of Jesus. http://memegenerator.net...

This brings me to the Bible, the book that is the very foundation of most faiths, without this book, the religions would crumble. If you do not believe me, try and look back at a time where the bible was not used to argue their faith. It isn't just the Bible either, look back in human history, what should be seen as mere history books, have been turned into pillars of faith, no matter what religion it is, these books are used to determine who cultures way of life, it is also a cause for some of the greatest atrocities in our history.
Nothing compared to the atrocities committed outside religion! It's like a sparrow's fart to a hurricane!

Even today there is war between two cultures over religion, a war that has raged on for over 2000 years.
Which war is that?

I challenge anyone to think of a time when the Bible, or religion has brought peace and prosperity to a people without it being chains or cause of harm to another.
A time when fairy tail Utopias existed? Never. But that's so with or without religion.

Now am I saying that everything in the bible is total BS, not at all, but I am saying that it has more holes in it then swiss cheese, and each new discover puts another hole in it.
You realize that it's been quite some time since there's been a "new discover", right?

Adam and Eve could have existed, but to believe that God put 2 white people in the jungle with no sun screen, they had sex, and now we have all the different races of humans, White, Black, Asian, Hispanics, Spanish, Native Americans, The Tea Party, and with as much inbreeding that would have to take place, very few retards (again the Tea Party) is beyond logic, and has no rational proof. And there is stories like this throughout the bible, great for reading, but no historical, physical, or rational proof it ever happened save the church tell you it did.
I did not realize that the Bible says that Adam & Eve were white. Holy crap! I found one of those "new discover" things you were talking about!

I have a very simple rule, and it has also helped to refine my faith in Christ, if you can't make a rational objection to something without needing the bible to back your claim, then your objection isn't rational. The bible is not god, the bible is not the only place to find gods word, and the bible has been used to drown out gods word and Christs teachings. An if you think the bible was inspired by god, why did it take the crucifixion of his son before it was created?
So the OT or Torah didn't exist before Christ's crucifixion? Go figure? Those rascally Jews!

In part because the different documents written as testaments, or story's were never meant to be gathered up, put into a book, and then proclaims "how to live your life"
Yeah! Those idiot Jews thinking that the Torah was about "how to live your life" when in fact it was just supposed to be like watching TV or something!

... and it was collated and the documents within were determined by the roman church, which I find very interesting since they are the ones who crucified Christ for his faith diminishing their religions followers. And what a great way to get back at Christ too, let's kill him, and then take his teachings "this new god" and let's turn it into the very thing he preached against, and that way we can keep control of the masses, and claim that we have killed his son, and then sen the light. Which is way today the Roman church is the greatest power on earth. Let's look at at other events in history, the bible, the christian religion being used as a means to condone war and bloodshed during the crusades, there are other acts of evil done in god name and supposedly at the time justified as gods will. Even today people like the WBC spread their hate in the name of god, and has anything happened to them? Where is gods wrath? Maybe they have it right since they use the bible to back this hate. And should there still be slavery? Shouldn't women still have no rights but to be obedient to men? If you believe in the bible then they should be. Ah but we don't look at these things anymore because times have changed.

This leads me to the issue of gay marriage and the gross assertions made that Christ was against it, you know what Christ said about Gays? The same thing he did about abortions... Nothing. In fact to touch on the topic of abortions, the greatest proponent of abortions was god and Christians in the bible, there is even a recipe in the bible on how to give a women a miscarriage, look up Numbers chapter 5:21-22, and through the bible god sent entire army's to slaughter women carrying children. Yet pro-lifers claim that it is an abomination to god. Back to gay marriage, of course it would be in the bible, back then they found a lot of things to be an abomination, such as women having rights, slaves being freed, hell eating shell fish was considered a sin in the bible, so their goes Red Lobster, the restaurant of the devil huh? See I like how people use the bible to justify their hate, to justify their own bigotry and fear, buy claiming that Christ thinks it's wrong, well sad to say Christ had no opinion on the matter, he always preached about love and peace, and if you have seen most gay couples, that's what they preach too, they are also much better dressers then most strait people. But while they condemn those things that they themselves don't like are are sickened by, then ignore the others as well, so if you want to use the bible to condemn hate, then you also believe that women s only role is in servitude to men, and so they can't work, their only function is to be barefoot and prego in the kitchen. Also you are for slavery, the oppression of another human being, you think Christ was? See even in the bible it has the hidden messages that it's not real, or that it's not god, because while the roman Catholics could turn his teachings into a religion to keep control, the one thing they couldn't do is control his teachings which contradict their religion of Christianity...

You're right: this was very long. And thank God I stopped 1/2 way through. I can
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6/28/2013 4:57:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I can only take so much stupidity at once.
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: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
Izayah003
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6/28/2013 9:39:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I completely disagree.

That's nice, care to say why, or still figuring out why you disagree?

If He was not divine, then how exactly is it that you have faith? And why then is Jesus so special to you if there's been plenty of others before and after Him that have fought against organized religion, greed, corruption, and so on? (Not that I agree with all the things you are attributing to Him.)

As I said the title does not mean as much to me as his deeds, did I say he wasn't divine? We even hold some who were just people as divine and call them saints. What a narrow assessment of my comment... interesting.

I was wondering whether you new Christ and His message but now I am sure: you have no idea what He was about. Christ was not political and stayed away from politics. He believed in personal salvation and responsibility NOT in group salvation. He did not believe in stealing from Paul to pay Peter. And as far as I can tell, he said nothing about public healthcare or demanding things for free, quite the contrary.

Never said he was political at all, though I did put him in a political mindset, but you know best , and you could be right maybe he did go around healing only those who could pay him, and talked about how great it was to horde wealth, and don't give unto others the shirt off your back. Maybe he was for that whole "survival of the fittest and couldn't bother with the sick or poor cuz he was too busy working with the wealthy.

Nothing compared to the atrocities committed outside religion! It's like a sparrow's fart to a hurricane!

Name one worse then either the Holocaust or the Crusades, would love to hear it.

Which war is that?
Middle East, don't you read history??

A time when fairy tail Utopias existed? Never. But that's so with or without religion.

See in truth there has never been a time the bible has been used for the betterment of anything, sure people read it and feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but those same words can and have been used to do harm, and in most cases harm.

You realize that it's been quite some time since there's been a "new discover", right?

Really, well I can see that when some dismiss science over religion.

I did not realize that the Bible says that Adam & Eve were white. Holy crap! I found one of those "new discover" things you were talking about!

Nope it doesn't and it's sad that you could not see the joke in that given every depiction of them is of two white people...

So the OT or Torah didn't exist before Christ's crucifixion? Go figure? Those rascally Jews!

What's sad is you think the Jews and not the Romans crucified Christ... They betrayed him yes, but they are not the ones who put the nails in, thought someone with such an extensive knowledge on the subject of Christ would know that...

Yeah! Those idiot Jews thinking that the Torah was about "how to live your life" when in fact it was just supposed to be like watching TV or something!

This is getting sad, please see above.

You're right: this was very long. And thank God I stopped 1/2 way through. I can only take so much stupidity at once.

Stupidity? Interesting, this from someone who did nothing more then criticize my comments without any real substance. Instead all I seen was twisting of my words and incomplete counts of history. Maybe your lack of understand has caused you to view it as stupid because it does not suit your view? I was hoping for logical debate, not the basic "you are stupid" defense....
"When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest." - Abraham Lincoln