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Is prayer cheating?

tulle
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7/30/2013 10:28:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I can't help but feel that, in the spirit of competition, a Christian who prays to God has the same moral culpability as a person who cheats at a game/sport.

An athlete who dopes or uses some other type of enhancing drug is seen as cheating; a contestant on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire who enlists outside help from an audience member (that's not one of the lifelines) is seen as cheating. But those same people praying to God for outside strength or help is not seen as cheating.

Why not?
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7/30/2013 10:31:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The obvious answer would be because performance enhancing drugs have a quantifiable impact on players, whereas prayer does not (or has not been found to).

The second most obvious answer would be that they'd have just as much benefit kissing their lucky rabbit's foot or chanting to Bigfoot.

I suspect neither of these are relevant to the spirit of your question, though =)

Maybe something along the lines of "I pray because it is God's will that I win" would be more appropriate.
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7/31/2013 12:45:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/30/2013 10:28:05 PM, tulle wrote:
I can't help but feel that, in the spirit of competition, a Christian who prays to God has the same moral culpability as a person who cheats at a game/sport.

An athlete who dopes or uses some other type of enhancing drug is seen as cheating; a contestant on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire who enlists outside help from an audience member (that's not one of the lifelines) is seen as cheating. But those same people praying to God for outside strength or help is not seen as cheating.

Why not?

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7/31/2013 7:15:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/31/2013 1:30:17 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
God can always say no... and in the case of sports I don't know why he'd feel obliged to help you score goals in the name of entertainment.

Why would he feel obliged to help someone get a job, a spouse, to live, etc.? It doesn't make much sense to me. If I were the mistress of the universe, I wouldn't care about petty mortals and their trifling concerns.
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7/31/2013 10:29:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/31/2013 7:15:49 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/31/2013 1:30:17 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
God can always say no... and in the case of sports I don't know why he'd feel obliged to help you score goals in the name of entertainment.

Why would he feel obliged to help someone get a job, a spouse, to live, etc.? It doesn't make much sense to me. If I were the mistress of the universe, I wouldn't care about petty mortals and their trifling concerns.

I don't pretend to understand the mind of God.
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7/31/2013 10:32:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/30/2013 10:28:05 PM, tulle wrote:
I can't help but feel that, in the spirit of competition, a Christian who prays to God has the same moral culpability as a person who cheats at a game/sport.

An athlete who dopes or uses some other type of enhancing drug is seen as cheating; a contestant on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire who enlists outside help from an audience member (that's not one of the lifelines) is seen as cheating. But those same people praying to God for outside strength or help is not seen as cheating.

Why not?

The same reason an athlete taking sugar pills believing they are steroids wouldn't be considered as having cheated.
AnDoctuir
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7/31/2013 10:40:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
tulle, ITT you clearly document your want for power over others. You think prayer and then think unfair advantage. That's complete and utter nonsense.
AnDoctuir
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7/31/2013 10:47:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
tulle very clearly just hates God and the idea of him. "Cry for me?! What about that girl who got raped by here father and brother?! How dare you?!" Fear and self-righteousness. More evidence for my point.
tulle
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7/31/2013 11:17:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/30/2013 10:31:56 PM, Maikuru wrote:
The obvious answer would be because performance enhancing drugs have a quantifiable impact on players, whereas prayer does not (or has not been found to).

The second most obvious answer would be that they'd have just as much benefit kissing their lucky rabbit's foot or chanting to Bigfoot.

I suspect neither of these are relevant to the spirit of your question, though =)

Maybe something along the lines of "I pray because it is God's will that I win" would be more appropriate.

A Christian not only believes that God really answers prayers, but also believes a whole set of morals that dictate cheating people is wrong. If I believe I am cheating, but I don't realize that I'm not, I've still behaved in a deceitful manner, haven't I?
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7/31/2013 11:30:13 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/31/2013 11:17:53 AM, tulle wrote:
LOL Badger, neither you nor I has any clue what you're talking about.

I think we both do, tulle, and your chastisement of TULIP was actually rather despicable considering such.
tulle
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7/31/2013 11:34:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/31/2013 11:30:13 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:

I think we both do, tulle, and your chastisement of TULIP was actually rather despicable considering such.

No, I really don't. If Tulip is too much of a delicate flower to handle someone else calling something else more worthy of tears, that's really not my problem.

You want to talk about power and control? Ever since you came back to DDO claiming to be clean from alcohol or whatever you've been on some nutjob God complex.
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7/31/2013 11:39:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/30/2013 10:28:05 PM, tulle wrote:
I can't help but feel that, in the spirit of competition, a Christian who prays to God has the same moral culpability as a person who cheats at a game/sport.

An athlete who dopes or uses some other type of enhancing drug is seen as cheating; a contestant on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire who enlists outside help from an audience member (that's not one of the lifelines) is seen as cheating. But those same people praying to God for outside strength or help is not seen as cheating.

Why not?

I always wondered this as well. Why would god give one team favor as opposed to another? What if both teams pray? I think god qualifies as an unfair advantage.
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7/31/2013 11:45:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/31/2013 11:34:39 AM, tulle wrote:
At 7/31/2013 11:30:13 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:

I think we both do, tulle, and your chastisement of TULIP was actually rather despicable considering such.

No, I really don't. If Tulip is too much of a delicate flower to handle someone else calling something else more worthy of tears, that's really not my problem.

You want to talk about power and control? Ever since you came back to DDO claiming to be clean from alcohol or whatever you've been on some nutjob God complex.

Yikes