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8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM
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I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.
Turn around, go back.
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8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM
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At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.
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8/2/2013 2:21:15 AM
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At 8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.
So your saying that the religious beliefs a person grew up with are the truth because of where they grew up. Wow what a stretch. I guess that means all converts have chosen falsehood.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/2/2013 2:23:54 AM
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At 8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.

Stubs is correct; it is a fallacy. I'm sure more people who live in Oxford, England, believe in Darwin's theory of Evolution than peope in Oxford, Missouri. What bearing does this have on the theory itself? Nothing.
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8/2/2013 3:58:30 AM
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At 8/2/2013 2:23:54 AM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.

Stubs is correct; it is a fallacy. I'm sure more people who live in Oxford, England, believe in Darwin's theory of Evolution than peope in Oxford, Missouri. What bearing does this have on the theory itself? Nothing.

None whatsoever, the discussion was about religion. Do try to keep up.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/2/2013 4:37:25 AM
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At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

Of course it is, it has been documented for hundreds of years. This may not be the case all the time (such as the time I converted to Islam being brought up a Christian in Australia), and the fact that the geographic boundaries do change over time, but the point is noted; you shouldn't take peoples faith at face value.
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8/2/2013 4:57:55 AM
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At 8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.

I don't think that's what he's saying. Rather, the foundation of their belief is false. They don't believe in their religion because they have good reason to think it's true, they believe because their family and society does.
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8/2/2013 7:19:28 AM
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At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

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8/2/2013 8:05:10 AM
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At 8/2/2013 4:57:55 AM, Drayson wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.

I don't think that's what he's saying. Rather, the foundation of their belief is false. They don't believe in their religion because they have good reason to think it's true, they believe because their family and society does.

It's still a bad argument.
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8/2/2013 8:26:38 AM
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At 8/2/2013 8:05:10 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 8/2/2013 4:57:55 AM, Drayson wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.

I don't think that's what he's saying. Rather, the foundation of their belief is false. They don't believe in their religion because they have good reason to think it's true, they believe because their family and society does.

It's still a bad argument.
It really is quite simple, even for a religionist. Which belief is the right belief? Since most people's beliefs are determined by the place/culture in which they are born and raised, how can you make a determination?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/2/2013 8:35:38 AM
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At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

This is correct. Religion has nothing to do with revealing the Truth so it doesn't matter what religion one of God's people gets involved with.

We saints get taken out of our religious mindset before we're born again into the knowledge of God (Christ). Christ teaches us that all religions of man are false in this false world of false gods.
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8/2/2013 8:54:35 AM
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At 8/2/2013 8:35:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

This is correct. Religion has nothing to do with revealing the Truth so it doesn't matter what religion one of God's people gets involved with.

We saints get taken out of our religious mindset before we're born again into the knowledge of God (Christ). Christ teaches us that all religions of man are false in this false world of false gods.
Is there anyway you can bring forward your shooting yourself in the head? The world would be a better place earlier if you could. Thanks.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/2/2013 9:41:00 AM
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At 8/2/2013 8:54:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/2/2013 8:35:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

This is correct. Religion has nothing to do with revealing the Truth so it doesn't matter what religion one of God's people gets involved with.

We saints get taken out of our religious mindset before we're born again into the knowledge of God (Christ). Christ teaches us that all religions of man are false in this false world of false gods.
Is there anyway you can bring forward your shooting yourself in the head? The world would be a better place earlier if you could. Thanks.

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5: My enemies say of me in malice: "When will he die, and his name perish?"
6: And when one comes to see me, he utters empty words, while his heart gathers mischief; when he goes out, he tells it abroad.
7: All who hate me whisper together about me; they imagine the worst for me

Amos 5
10: They hate him who reproves in the gate, and they abhor him who speaks the truth.

Jeremiah 7
27: "So you shall speak all these words to them, but they will not listen to you. You shall call to them, but they will not answer you.
28: And you shall say to them, `This is the nation that did not obey the voice of the LORD their God, and did not accept discipline; truth has perished; it is cut off from their lips.
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8/2/2013 10:17:02 AM
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At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

Mine isn't.
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8/2/2013 10:22:05 AM
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At 8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.

In this case, most religions include super-powered entities which send information to middlemen about themselves. It makes you question why this happens in certain areas more, and in other areas maybe not even at all.
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8/2/2013 10:23:08 AM
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At 8/2/2013 4:57:55 AM, Drayson wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.

I don't think that's what he's saying. Rather, the foundation of their belief is false. They don't believe in their religion because they have good reason to think it's true, they believe because their family and society does.

This too.
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8/2/2013 10:24:58 AM
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At 8/2/2013 8:35:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

This is correct. Religion has nothing to do with revealing the Truth so it doesn't matter what religion one of God's people gets involved with.

We saints get taken out of our religious mindset before we're born again into the knowledge of God (Christ). Christ teaches us that all religions of man are false in this false world of false gods.

The goa'uld are not false gods!
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8/2/2013 10:31:18 AM
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At 8/2/2013 8:35:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:

We saints... wait, I've just realised something. Can't touch this, oh oh ohh ohh, oh oh ohh, can't touch this. (fake quote)
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8/2/2013 10:43:03 AM
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At 8/2/2013 10:31:18 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 8:35:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:

We saints... wait, I've just realised something. Can't touch this, oh oh ohh ohh, oh oh ohh, can't touch this. (fake quote)

God's delusion is quite strong for those who can't see it.
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8/2/2013 10:56:22 AM
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At 8/2/2013 10:43:03 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 8/2/2013 10:31:18 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 8:35:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:

We saints... wait, I've just realised something. Can't touch this, oh oh ohh ohh, oh oh ohh, can't touch this. (fake quote)

God's delusion is quite strong for those who can't see it.

What does that even mean?
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8/2/2013 11:02:35 AM
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At 8/2/2013 10:24:58 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:

The goa'uld are not false gods!

You finally gave a name to your newborn ?
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8/2/2013 11:04:19 AM
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At 8/2/2013 11:02:35 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 8/2/2013 10:24:58 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:

The goa'uld are not false gods!

You finally gave a name to your newborn ?

Are you calling my newborn a parasite?
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8/2/2013 11:08:53 AM
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At 8/2/2013 11:04:19 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:02:35 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 8/2/2013 10:24:58 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:

The goa'uld are not false gods!

You finally gave a name to your newborn ?

Are you calling my newborn a parasite?

No of course not "_" , just thought this is the name you gave to your penta-god.
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8/2/2013 11:10:20 AM
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At 8/2/2013 11:08:53 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:04:19 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:02:35 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 8/2/2013 10:24:58 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:

The goa'uld are not false gods!

You finally gave a name to your newborn ?

Are you calling my newborn a parasite?

No of course not "_" , just thought this is the name you gave to your penta-god.

Blaspheme! I did call our foetus Goa'uld though, but now that name would be inappropriate and honestly quite malicious.
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8/2/2013 11:12:41 AM
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At 8/2/2013 11:10:20 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:08:53 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:04:19 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:02:35 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 8/2/2013 10:24:58 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:

The goa'uld are not false gods!

You finally gave a name to your newborn ?

Are you calling my newborn a parasite?

No of course not "_" , just thought this is the name you gave to your penta-god.

Blaspheme! I did call our foetus Goa'uld though, but now that name would be inappropriate and honestly quite malicious.

Ok, at least I will not need to memorise it.
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8/2/2013 11:16:23 AM
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At 8/2/2013 11:12:41 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:10:20 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:08:53 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:04:19 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/2/2013 11:02:35 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 8/2/2013 10:24:58 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:

The goa'uld are not false gods!

You finally gave a name to your newborn ?

Are you calling my newborn a parasite?

No of course not "_" , just thought this is the name you gave to your penta-god.

Blaspheme! I did call our foetus Goa'uld though, but now that name would be inappropriate and honestly quite malicious.

Ok, at least I will not need to memorise it.

You're lucky that the pentagods probably don't give a sh!t if people blaspheme against them or not. ;)
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8/2/2013 6:28:42 PM
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At 8/2/2013 8:35:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

This is correct. Religion has nothing to do with revealing the Truth so it doesn't matter what religion one of God's people gets involved with.

We saints get taken out of our religious mindset before we're born again into the knowledge of God (Christ). Christ teaches us that all religions of man are false in this false world of false gods.

The word religion basically means the belief system of a group of individuals. Your group of believers does not have a set of beliefs?

So, the beliefs of human beings are false. What are you a frog?

So, we live in a false world. The sun is not real; the stars are not real; you're not real, and I'm not real. Everything is just a figment of the imagination.... Wait.... The imagination abides in the unreal universe. Does that mean it's not real, either?
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8/2/2013 6:59:48 PM
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At 8/2/2013 4:57:55 AM, Drayson wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:57:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

It's certainly true that where people live drastically influences their religious beliefs. To say then however, that because of that, the belief is false, is simply the genetic fallacy.

I don't think that's what he's saying. Rather, the foundation of their belief is false. They don't believe in their religion because they have good reason to think it's true, they believe because their family and society does.

Okay, that's fine with me as long as we are not jumping to the actual belief is false because people believe it because their family or society does.
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8/2/2013 7:49:39 PM
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At 8/2/2013 11:16:23 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
You're lucky that the pentagods probably don't give a sh!t if people blaspheme against them or not. ;)

http://www.livescience.com...
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8/2/2013 9:04:33 PM
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At 8/2/2013 6:28:42 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 8/2/2013 8:35:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 8/1/2013 1:39:24 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
I have noticed that certain aspects or indeed a persons entire religion or belief system is governed by where they live or where they were born which is probably because the religion they follow is the prominent faith of the country they live in, so it becomes possible to question that persons belief as their own because they have not had the choice to decide their own religion as their background or family has chosen it for them.

This is correct. Religion has nothing to do with revealing the Truth so it doesn't matter what religion one of God's people gets involved with.

We saints get taken out of our religious mindset before we're born again into the knowledge of God (Christ). Christ teaches us that all religions of man are false in this false world of false gods.

The word religion basically means the belief system of a group of individuals. Your group of believers does not have a set of beliefs?

So, the beliefs of human beings are false. What are you a frog?

So, we live in a false world. The sun is not real; the stars are not real; you're not real, and I'm not real. Everything is just a figment of the imagination.... Wait.... The imagination abides in the unreal universe. Does that mean it's not real, either?

I wouldn't define religion as basically as you did.
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