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MadCornishBiker
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8/8/2013 5:56:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/8/2013 3:57:34 AM, GOP wrote:
Your opinion on the Gap Theory?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Mixed.

They are completely, and obviously, wrong about the "days" being literal 24 hour days since day 7 has never been ended.

However as the wording of Genesis 1:1,2 makes clear there is, if not a gap, a definite change of perspective after the creation of the non-living parts of creation.

Verse one simply describes the creation of the heavens and earth for the viewpoint of someone outside looking in.

From verse two on the viewpoint changes to that of someone actually on the earth watching it all happen, hence what can appear to be contradictions, like the luminaries for day and night appearing in the heavens, when verse one has them being created long before. It is written that way because until that point they would not have been visible from the earth.

Interestingly it also describes another "heavens", what we can see above us, being in between two layers of water, one "above the expanse" and one below it. It is believe that those "waters above the expanse" were what was brought down to the earth in the deluge.

Also interestingly, not only does the discovery of fossils in Arctic and Antarctic regions show that there was apparently a "greenhouse effect" at some time in pre-history, but NASA also believe that there was some gas in the Thermosphere, which could have been water vapour, and that it is slowly being replaced at present.

So, like so many human theories there is probably some truth in it, but also some bits whihc aren't.

As a side issue about the flood, some people say "what happened to all that water then?"

Well the simple answer is that it is still here, but as Geology teaches, at some point the tectonic plates tilted, not only allowing land to rise above the water, and giving "trenches" for water to seep into, but also allowing the plates to slide under one another in places, and therefore the continent to split into the continents we now know, and which are still moving slowly. Scripture also speaks of the earth being split after the flood. Genesis 10:25 "And to Eber there were two sons born. The name of the one was Peleg, because in his days the earth was divided; and the name of his brother was Joktan."
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8/8/2013 7:27:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/8/2013 5:56:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/8/2013 3:57:34 AM, GOP wrote:
Your opinion on the Gap Theory?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Mixed.

They are completely, and obviously, wrong about the "days" being literal 24 hour days since day 7 has never been ended.

However as the wording of Genesis 1:1,2 makes clear there is, if not a gap, a definite change of perspective after the creation of the non-living parts of creation.

Verse one simply describes the creation of the heavens and earth for the viewpoint of someone outside looking in.

From verse two on the viewpoint changes to that of someone actually on the earth watching it all happen, hence what can appear to be contradictions, like the luminaries for day and night appearing in the heavens, when verse one has them being created long before. It is written that way because until that point they would not have been visible from the earth.

Interestingly it also describes another "heavens", what we can see above us, being in between two layers of water, one "above the expanse" and one below it. It is believe that those "waters above the expanse" were what was brought down to the earth in the deluge.

Also interestingly, not only does the discovery of fossils in Arctic and Antarctic regions show that there was apparently a "greenhouse effect" at some time in pre-history, but NASA also believe that there was some gas in the Thermosphere, which could have been water vapour, and that it is slowly being replaced at present.

So, like so many human theories there is probably some truth in it, but also some bits whihc aren't.

As a side issue about the flood, some people say "what happened to all that water then?"

Well the simple answer is that it is still here, but as Geology teaches, at some point the tectonic plates tilted, not only allowing land to rise above the water, and giving "trenches" for water to seep into, but also allowing the plates to slide under one another in places, and therefore the continent to split into the continents we now know, and which are still moving slowly. Scripture also speaks of the earth being split after the flood. Genesis 10:25 "And to Eber there were two sons born. The name of the one was Peleg, because in his days the earth was divided; and the name of his brother was Joktan."
-Justin K. Graves, Demon Hunter
bulproof
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8/8/2013 7:44:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/8/2013 7:27:53 AM, justin.graves wrote:
At 8/8/2013 5:56:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/8/2013 3:57:34 AM, GOP wrote:
Your opinion on the Gap Theory?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Mixed.

They are completely, and obviously, wrong about the "days" being literal 24 hour days since day 7 has never been ended.

However as the wording of Genesis 1:1,2 makes clear there is, if not a gap, a definite change of perspective after the creation of the non-living parts of creation.

Verse one simply describes the creation of the heavens and earth for the viewpoint of someone outside looking in.

From verse two on the viewpoint changes to that of someone actually on the earth watching it all happen, hence what can appear to be contradictions, like the luminaries for day and night appearing in the heavens, when verse one has them being created long before. It is written that way because until that point they would not have been visible from the earth.

Interestingly it also describes another "heavens", what we can see above us, being in between two layers of water, one "above the expanse" and one below it. It is believe that those "waters above the expanse" were what was brought down to the earth in the deluge.

Also interestingly, not only does the discovery of fossils in Arctic and Antarctic regions show that there was apparently a "greenhouse effect" at some time in pre-history, but NASA also believe that there was some gas in the Thermosphere, which could have been water vapour, and that it is slowly being replaced at present.

So, like so many human theories there is probably some truth in it, but also some bits whihc aren't.

As a side issue about the flood, some people say "what happened to all that water then?"

Well the simple answer is that it is still here, but as Geology teaches, at some point the tectonic plates tilted, not only allowing land to rise above the water, and giving "trenches" for water to seep into, but also allowing the plates to slide under one another in places, and therefore the continent to split into the continents we now know, and which are still moving slowly. Scripture also speaks of the earth being split after the flood. Genesis 10:25 "And to Eber there were two sons born. The name of the one was Peleg, because in his days the earth was divided; and the name of his brother was Joktan."



Oh of course. Mt Everest is younger than man. Who could possibly argue with that level of stupid. Quick go and tell your mummy she called you.
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8/8/2013 8:43:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/8/2013 7:44:47 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/8/2013 7:27:53 AM, justin.graves wrote:
At 8/8/2013 5:56:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/8/2013 3:57:34 AM, GOP wrote:
Your opinion on the Gap Theory?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Mixed.

They are completely, and obviously, wrong about the "days" being literal 24 hour days since day 7 has never been ended.

However as the wording of Genesis 1:1,2 makes clear there is, if not a gap, a definite change of perspective after the creation of the non-living parts of creation.

Verse one simply describes the creation of the heavens and earth for the viewpoint of someone outside looking in.

From verse two on the viewpoint changes to that of someone actually on the earth watching it all happen, hence what can appear to be contradictions, like the luminaries for day and night appearing in the heavens, when verse one has them being created long before. It is written that way because until that point they would not have been visible from the earth.

Interestingly it also describes another "heavens", what we can see above us, being in between two layers of water, one "above the expanse" and one below it. It is believe that those "waters above the expanse" were what was brought down to the earth in the deluge.

Also interestingly, not only does the discovery of fossils in Arctic and Antarctic regions show that there was apparently a "greenhouse effect" at some time in pre-history, but NASA also believe that there was some gas in the Thermosphere, which could have been water vapour, and that it is slowly being replaced at present.

So, like so many human theories there is probably some truth in it, but also some bits whihc aren't.

As a side issue about the flood, some people say "what happened to all that water then?"

Well the simple answer is that it is still here, but as Geology teaches, at some point the tectonic plates tilted, not only allowing land to rise above the water, and giving "trenches" for water to seep into, but also allowing the plates to slide under one another in places, and therefore the continent to split into the continents we now know, and which are still moving slowly. Scripture also speaks of the earth being split after the flood. Genesis 10:25 "And to Eber there were two sons born. The name of the one was Peleg, because in his days the earth was divided; and the name of his brother was Joktan."



Oh of course. Mt Everest is younger than man. Who could possibly argue with that level of stupid. Quick go and tell your mummy she called you.

The rocks it is formed from are not, but even it was under water at one time, and almost certainly much lower than it already is. In fact it is still growing, slowly, as the tectonic plate it sits on tilts because one edge is travelling under it's neighbour, and it's other neighbour is lifting that edge as it travels underneath.

The initial tilt was certainly comparatively sudden, but it is still happening now.
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8/8/2013 9:50:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/8/2013 3:57:34 AM, GOP wrote:
Your opinion on the Gap Theory?

My quick take on it is that it (the theory) is an result of an overly literal interpretation of Genesis. (note - this is my opinion from not a great deal of knowledge)

If a person takes a very literal view of an ancient writing they have a number of issues they need to address:
1. What did it mean to the original writer?
2. Did it mean the same to the original audience?
3. Are we so distant in culture and understanding that we are missing that original meaning.
4. Was it written with a literal interpretation in mind?

To their credit, people who take a literal interpretation of scripture tend to want to harmonize the whole of scripture to try to minimize foolishly simplistic understandings.

With that said, I believe "gap theory" inserts a time period that allows for a literal reading of the first seven "days" of creation while allowing a form of old earth creationism.

Some apposing views are more literal (young earth creation) and less literal (day=age) and even less literal (totally metaphorical or allegorical)

I don't think the Bible answers the questions of "how old is the earth?" or many other questions we now want it to answer without us trying to force our position into the words of the original authors.

In the same way, we make many (scientific & pseudo-scientific) presumptions about the distant past that must be recognized as presumptions. (Theoretically useful presumptions and very helpful, but still presumptions.)

Back to "Gap theory" - It is one way to try to reconcile the science that points to an old earth with the dates and ages of Genesis.

We have no evidence that the original author wanted us to understand it this way.
It may be a position dreamed up (theorized) to help explain something the original author never intended to explain.
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8/8/2013 9:51:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/8/2013 5:56:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

They are completely, and obviously, wrong about the "days" being literal 24 hour days since day 7 has never been ended.

I am curious about day 7 never ending . . . .

What do you mean by that?
MadCornishBiker
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8/8/2013 11:38:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/8/2013 9:51:55 AM, gordonjames wrote:
At 8/8/2013 5:56:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

They are completely, and obviously, wrong about the "days" being literal 24 hour days since day 7 has never been ended.

I am curious about day 7 never ending . . . .

What do you mean by that?

If you notice, the first six days are all closed down with a phrase like "there was evening, there was morning , a 1st day" or words to that effect depending on what day it was.

However at no point in scripture was God's 7th day, his day of rest, declared closed, and the Apostle Paul spoke of Christians entering "into his rest" meaning God's rest, so it was apparently #still going then.

So when does it end?

well we are not told specifically, however it would seem logical that it would be when Christ hands his kingdom back to his father, at the end of the 1,00 years, and his father once again becomes directly involved with humanity since it has now been returned to perfection.

That theory definitely fits in with scripture in other ways

The reason God went into his day of rest was because when they sinned Adam and Eve became imperfect, unholy, and therefore God could not deal with them directly:

1 Peter 1:15 but, in accord with the Holy One who called YOU, do YOU also become holy yourselves in all [YOUR] conduct,

Leviticus 11:44 For I am Jehovah YOUR God; and YOU must sanctify yourselves and YOU must prove yourselves holy, because I am holy. So YOU must not make YOUR souls unclean by any swarming creature that moves upon the earth.

Leviticus 19:2 "Speak to the entire assembly of the sons of Israel, and you must say to them, "YOU should prove yourselves holy, because I Jehovah YOUR God am holy.

Leviticus 20:26 And YOU must prove yourselves holy to me, because I Jehovah am holy; and I am proceeding to divide YOU off from the peoples to become mine.

Deuteronomy 23:14 For Jehovah your God is walking about within your camp to deliver you and to abandon your enemies to you; and your camp must prove to be holy, that he may see nothing indecent in you and certainly turn away from accompanying you.

However after the final test, when mankind has been returned to perfection by his son, he will once again be "with us".

For evidence of that I suggest that you read the last 3 chapters of Revelation, they are all relevant to it.

That is the note that the bible ends on, one of us being re-united with God, whihc appears to be when the 7th day ends.

If prophecy can be relied on, And I believe it can, that marvelous day will be sometime around 2914, but there is a lot to happen before then, including the Great Tribulation, Armageddon, followed by the resurrection and some time to practice before the final test.

We only, according to prophecy, have about 900 years left to fit all that in, so the Great Tribulation must start soon, and then it may well be too late to jump on board the bandwagon.

That's what I get from scripture anyway.
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8/17/2013 1:28:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/8/2013 3:57:34 AM, GOP wrote:
Your opinion on the Gap Theory?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

What gap theory? I live a sheltered life. The gap between your teeth! Who cares. The days are literal, the evening and morning were the-------day. Yes, 24 hour period. How is your faith this morning?