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1Devilsadvocate
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8/14/2013 4:37:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
"The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic." http://rationalwiki.org...
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8/14/2013 4:49:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/14/2013 4:37:02 AM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
"The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic." http://rationalwiki.org...

Hello 1Devilsadvocate

I don't agree with WLC on many issues at all, but if he did state this, then i would submit he is 100% correct.

I take it as a compliment, my unflinching pursuit of reason does seem to become defenestrated whenever women, alcohol and tobacco are concerned. That said we are only half a chromosone away from a chimp, so perhapes we all need our vices.

I digress, he's talking sense here.

Best Regards,
Ben
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8/14/2013 6:09:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/14/2013 4:49:58 AM, Homosapien wrote:
At 8/14/2013 4:37:02 AM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
"The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic." http://rationalwiki.org...

Hello 1Devilsadvocate

I don't agree with WLC on many issues at all, but if he did state this, then i would submit he is 100% correct.

I take it as a compliment, my unflinching pursuit of reason does seem to become defenestrated whenever women, alcohol and tobacco are concerned. That said we are only half a chromosone away from a chimp, so perhaps we all need our vices.

I digress, he's talking sense here.

Best Regards,
Ben

Whether you agree with the statement or not is completely irrelevant, I'm talking about WLC here, not you, sorry.
I have a feeling that he said something like "some people say/think...", and they decided to cherry pick the sentence. By doing that, I can quote just about anyone as saying things which are the opposite of their position.
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8/14/2013 6:16:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
If you haven't already found it:

'Before we can answer that question, we need to have some grasp of the challenge confronting us. In general European culture is deeply post-Christian. It is the product of the Enlightenment, which introduced into European culture the leaven of secularism that has by now permeated the whole. The hallmark of the Enlightenment was 'free thought,' that is, the pursuit of knowledge by means of unfettered human reason alone. While it is by no means inevitable that such a pursuit must lead to non-Christian conclusions, and while most of the original Enlightenment thinkers were themselves theists, it has been the overwhelming impact of the Enlightenment mentality that European intellectuals do not consider theological knowledge to be possible. Theology is not a source of genuine knowledge and therefore is not a Wissenschaft, or a science. Reason and religion are at odds with each other. The picture of the world which emerges from the genuine sciences is a thoroughly naturalistic picture. The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic.'

http://www.reasonablefaith.org...

So yeah, he wasn't saying that was true, just that it's the view of European intellectuals or something.
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8/14/2013 6:34:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/14/2013 6:09:08 AM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
At 8/14/2013 4:49:58 AM, Homosapien wrote:
At 8/14/2013 4:37:02 AM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
"The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic." http://rationalwiki.org...

Hello 1Devilsadvocate

I don't agree with WLC on many issues at all, but if he did state this, then i would submit he is 100% correct.

I take it as a compliment, my unflinching pursuit of reason does seem to become defenestrated whenever women, alcohol and tobacco are concerned. That said we are only half a chromosone away from a chimp, so perhaps we all need our vices.

I digress, he's talking sense here.

Best Regards,
Ben

Whether you agree with the statement or not is completely irrelevant, I'm talking about WLC here, not you, sorry.
I have a feeling that he said something like "some people say/think...", and they decided to cherry pick the sentence. By doing that, I can quote just about anyone as saying things which are the opposite of their position.

Sir,

It wa s a light hearted and slightly ironic post, apologies if you took offence, perhapes a cultural thing,

Kindest Regards,
Ben
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"He has a cabal of votebombers behind him."
"I'll be informing airmax about you."
"It reveals that you want to look like you are intelligent, but actually are not."
"Stupid because you didn't warrant or impact your moronic arguments. That's all you will ever be good for."
"You're making stupid assumptions, as usual. "
"You really are an arrogant buffoon, aren't you?"
"You're just coming off as extremely arrogant and condescending."
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8/14/2013 6:53:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/14/2013 6:16:37 AM, ExsurgeDomine wrote:
If you haven't already found it:

'Before we can answer that question, we need to have some grasp of the challenge confronting us. In general European culture is deeply post-Christian. It is the product of the Enlightenment, which introduced into European culture the leaven of secularism that has by now permeated the whole. The hallmark of the Enlightenment was 'free thought,' that is, the pursuit of knowledge by means of unfettered human reason alone. While it is by no means inevitable that such a pursuit must lead to non-Christian conclusions, and while most of the original Enlightenment thinkers were themselves theists, it has been the overwhelming impact of the Enlightenment mentality that European intellectuals do not consider theological knowledge to be possible. Theology is not a source of genuine knowledge and therefore is not a Wissenschaft, or a science. Reason and religion are at odds with each other. The picture of the world which emerges from the genuine sciences is a thoroughly naturalistic picture. The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic.'

http://www.reasonablefaith.org...

So yeah, he wasn't saying that was true, just that it's the view of European intellectuals or something.

Word.
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8/15/2013 3:23:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/14/2013 4:37:02 AM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
"The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic." http://rationalwiki.org...

Sounds perfectly right. Christianity to most people involves spiritual conviction rather than just rational.
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8/16/2013 2:29:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/15/2013 3:23:30 PM, phantom wrote:
At 8/14/2013 4:37:02 AM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
"The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic." http://rationalwiki.org...

Sounds perfectly right. Christianity to most people involves spiritual conviction rather than just rational.

I wasn't talking about the statement itself, I was talking about the fact that they claimed WLC said it. Turns out it was totally taken out of context I.E. He was saying what other people think, See the post above yours.
I cannot write in English, because of the treacherous spelling. When I am reading, I only hear it and am unable to remember what the written word looks like."
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8/16/2013 9:11:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/16/2013 2:29:37 AM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
At 8/15/2013 3:23:30 PM, phantom wrote:
At 8/14/2013 4:37:02 AM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
"The person who follows the pursuit of reason unflinchingly toward its end will be atheistic or, at best, agnostic." http://rationalwiki.org...

Sounds perfectly right. Christianity to most people involves spiritual conviction rather than just rational.

I wasn't talking about the statement itself, I was talking about the fact that they claimed WLC said it. Turns out it was totally taken out of context I.E. He was saying what other people think, See the post above yours.

I suppose you're right. It would seem off for Craig to see that, but yeah, that was out of context.
"Music is a zen-like ecstatic state where you become the new man of the future, the Nietzschean merger of Apollo and Dionysus." Ray Manzarek (The Doors)
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8/17/2013 8:36:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/16/2013 9:14:08 PM, Maikuru wrote:
Cuz faith

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