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8/21/2013 3:24:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Gods word teaches that Gods kingdom is coming to the earth, as it rules in heaven now.
No mourning, outcrys, or pain, even death will be done away with. Gods original purpose will come to pass--God created mortals to live forever at a young age in perfect health. ( before the rebellion) knowing only good.
That means no more wars of hatred, greed, hatred itself, sickness,diseases-- all united in love and peace. plenty of food for all, the wolf will eat alongside the lamb( meaning harmony) this truly is good news for mankind.

Gods word teaches that the way this will occur is by Harmageddon, most probably fear this. All wickedness and wicked things will be wiped off of Gods earth. No more govts of men--Gods kingdom is like a govt--it has a king. It will be ruling all of creation at that point, never to end. so in reality Harmageddon is good news for mankind and the earth--God invited all to be apart of this coming reality, but as Jesus taught, Few find the road that leads to life--those few are being taught the above realities now.
Those who teach Jesus' teachings know that Jesus promised the earth to the meek ones, not heaven as the false religions that do not teach Jesus' truths teach. The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day--saying--the world took no note( did not see the prophecys passing right before their eyes) Why??? because their spiritual teachers reside in darkness.
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8/21/2013 5:30:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/21/2013 3:24:25 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Gods word teaches that Gods kingdom is coming to the earth, as it rules in heaven now.
No mourning, outcrys, or pain, even death will be done away with. Gods original purpose will come to pass--God created mortals to live forever at a young age in perfect health. ( before the rebellion) knowing only good.
That means no more wars of hatred, greed, hatred itself, sickness,diseases-- all united in love and peace. plenty of food for all, the wolf will eat alongside the lamb( meaning harmony) this truly is good news for mankind.

Gods word teaches that the way this will occur is by Harmageddon, most probably fear this. All wickedness and wicked things will be wiped off of Gods earth. No more govts of men--Gods kingdom is like a govt--it has a king. It will be ruling all of creation at that point, never to end. so in reality Harmageddon is good news for mankind and the earth--God invited all to be apart of this coming reality, but as Jesus taught, Few find the road that leads to life--those few are being taught the above realities now.
Those who teach Jesus' teachings know that Jesus promised the earth to the meek ones, not heaven as the false religions that do not teach Jesus' truths teach. The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day--saying--the world took no note( did not see the prophecys passing right before their eyes) Why??? because their spiritual teachers reside in darkness.

If you want to learn how we'll live in the next age, listen to God in the testimonies He has me write in this forum. He's also taught me how we were created, which is pretty amazing stuff.
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8/21/2013 5:54:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day"


I'll lay 10 to 1 that we come to find out that this "little flock" is headquartered in Brooklyn. Any takers?
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8/21/2013 6:06:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/21/2013 3:24:25 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Gods word teaches that Gods kingdom is coming to the earth, as it rules in heaven now.
No mourning, outcrys, or pain, even death will be done away with. Gods original purpose will come to pass--God created mortals to live forever at a young age in perfect health. ( before the rebellion) knowing only good.
That means no more wars of hatred, greed, hatred itself, sickness,diseases-- all united in love and peace. plenty of food for all, the wolf will eat alongside the lamb( meaning harmony) this truly is good news for mankind.

Gods word teaches that the way this will occur is by Harmageddon, most probably fear this. All wickedness and wicked things will be wiped off of Gods earth. No more govts of men--Gods kingdom is like a govt--it has a king. It will be ruling all of creation at that point, never to end. so in reality Harmageddon is good news for mankind and the earth--God invited all to be apart of this coming reality, but as Jesus taught, Few find the road that leads to life--those few are being taught the above realities now.
Those who teach Jesus' teachings know that Jesus promised the earth to the meek ones, not heaven as the false religions that do not teach Jesus' truths teach. The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day--saying--the world took no note( did not see the prophecys passing right before their eyes) Why??? because their spiritual teachers reside in darkness.

Gods word teaches "WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE"!!
Matthew 4:10
Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.""

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

Jesus lets them WORSHIP Him!
Jesus does NOT correct them because he is God!

Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

kjw47 "Worship is for GOD ALONE" Jesus tells you so!!!
Gods word teaches; "WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE"!!

>>They worship Jesus and Jesus does not stop the worship!!!<<

Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE!!!
ONLY for God!!

Jesus is worshiped!
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8/21/2013 6:26:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/21/2013 5:54:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
"The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day"


I'll lay 10 to 1 that we come to find out that this "little flock" is headquartered in Brooklyn. Any takers?

The 144,000 started being picked while Jesus was a mortal, all the way down until these last days some are on the earth. Its not difficult to see who listens to and teaches Jesus' truths. And if one listens to Jesus' truths--at John 17:1-6) Jesus clearly teaches that the one who sent him( Father) is the only true God--verse 6 = Jehovah.
It clearly contradicts a trinity teaching. So did Paul-1 cor 8:6-- the trinity translations are way out of harmony( many errors) with Jesus teachings. We all must make a choice--listen to Jesus who clearly teaches that he has a God( Father) John 20:17, rev 3:12) or listen to mistranslated bibles, and the teachings of men.
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8/21/2013 6:30:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/21/2013 5:30:01 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 8/21/2013 3:24:25 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Gods word teaches that Gods kingdom is coming to the earth, as it rules in heaven now.
No mourning, outcrys, or pain, even death will be done away with. Gods original purpose will come to pass--God created mortals to live forever at a young age in perfect health. ( before the rebellion) knowing only good.
That means no more wars of hatred, greed, hatred itself, sickness,diseases-- all united in love and peace. plenty of food for all, the wolf will eat alongside the lamb( meaning harmony) this truly is good news for mankind.

Gods word teaches that the way this will occur is by Harmageddon, most probably fear this. All wickedness and wicked things will be wiped off of Gods earth. No more govts of men--Gods kingdom is like a govt--it has a king. It will be ruling all of creation at that point, never to end. so in reality Harmageddon is good news for mankind and the earth--God invited all to be apart of this coming reality, but as Jesus taught, Few find the road that leads to life--those few are being taught the above realities now.
Those who teach Jesus' teachings know that Jesus promised the earth to the meek ones, not heaven as the false religions that do not teach Jesus' truths teach. The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day--saying--the world took no note( did not see the prophecys passing right before their eyes) Why??? because their spiritual teachers reside in darkness.

If you want to learn how we'll live in the next age, listen to God in the testimonies He has me write in this forum. He's also taught me how we were created, which is pretty amazing stuff.

Which God do you serve?
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8/21/2013 6:35:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/21/2013 6:06:11 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 8/21/2013 3:24:25 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Gods word teaches that Gods kingdom is coming to the earth, as it rules in heaven now.
No mourning, outcrys, or pain, even death will be done away with. Gods original purpose will come to pass--God created mortals to live forever at a young age in perfect health. ( before the rebellion) knowing only good.
That means no more wars of hatred, greed, hatred itself, sickness,diseases-- all united in love and peace. plenty of food for all, the wolf will eat alongside the lamb( meaning harmony) this truly is good news for mankind.

Gods word teaches that the way this will occur is by Harmageddon, most probably fear this. All wickedness and wicked things will be wiped off of Gods earth. No more govts of men--Gods kingdom is like a govt--it has a king. It will be ruling all of creation at that point, never to end. so in reality Harmageddon is good news for mankind and the earth--God invited all to be apart of this coming reality, but as Jesus taught, Few find the road that leads to life--those few are being taught the above realities now.
Those who teach Jesus' teachings know that Jesus promised the earth to the meek ones, not heaven as the false religions that do not teach Jesus' truths teach. The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day--saying--the world took no note( did not see the prophecys passing right before their eyes) Why??? because their spiritual teachers reside in darkness.

Gods word teaches "WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE"!!
Matthew 4:10
Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.""

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

Jesus lets them WORSHIP Him!
Jesus does NOT correct them because he is God!

Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

kjw47 "Worship is for GOD ALONE" Jesus tells you so!!!
Gods word teaches; "WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE"!!

>>They worship Jesus and Jesus does not stop the worship!!!<<

Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE!!!
ONLY for God!!

Jesus is worshiped!

Actually the greek word proskenaue had 4 different meanings from greek to English--1) worship to God--2) obeisance to a king--2 others

Gods chosen were looking for the messiah to be their king--a powerful king right then to defeat the romans( not truth) a mere carpenters son trys to teach them the true will of his Father, but they reject him and said he was getting power from satan. So in usage for the Messiah( Jesus) obeisance to a king is the proper translating of that greek word-- trinity translations are filled with errors.
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8/22/2013 5:00:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Proskyneo or one of its derivatives occurs about sixty times in the NT, and every time - without exception - it is translated "worship". It is thus translated in the KJV and perhaps more importantly in the 1901 ASV, when the 101-member American Revision Committee revised the KJV. These 101 members were Greek scholars, each and every one. "Worship" is merely "reverence paid or offered".

What did Satan mean when he said, "All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me." Do you think he means "render obeisance" - to "acknowledge another's importance"?

*****

kjw: "Gods chosen were looking for the messiah to be their king"

Anna: They sure were. Those old Jews had enough sense to know that when the messiah came, the kingdom would come. They were, however, severely mistaken about the nature of the kingdom. They expected a kingdom headquartered in Jerusalem, but Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

kjw: "but they reject him and said he was getting power from satan. So in usage for the Messiah( Jesus) obeisance to a king is the proper translating of that greek word"

Anna: The Jews who rejected Him never worshiped Him nor rendered obeisance to Him, so what they thought makes no difference. However, some did recognize exactly who He was: "And they that were in the boat worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."

Actually, Dogknox's argument about "worship" is not a very sound argument: I wouldn't rank it at the top of the list, but the very fact that you seem to accept his premise, then seek to re-translate the word arbitrarily is very telling.

*****

kjw: "The 144,000 started being picked while Jesus was a mortal, all the way down until these last days some are on the earth."

Anna: Who told you that? For all you know, that 144,000 was closed up by the end of the first or second century.

*****

kjw: "We all must make a choice--listen to Jesus who clearly teaches that he has a God( Father) John 20:17, rev 3:12) or listen to mistranslated bibles"

Anna: That's not a choice. Certainly Jesus has a father - and it wasn't Joseph. You have made a big play about "mistranslated Bibles".

Which Bible translation do you use - and what are the names of the scholars and their credentials who translated it?

I guarantee you that it'll be some "one-man wonder" or some anonymous translation by men who didn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint. You at least need to find one by a large group of real Bible scholars with degrees in Biblical languages.
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8/22/2013 11:15:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/21/2013 6:35:51 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 8/21/2013 6:06:11 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 8/21/2013 3:24:25 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Gods word teaches that Gods kingdom is coming to the earth, as it rules in heaven now.
No mourning, outcrys, or pain, even death will be done away with. Gods original purpose will come to pass--God created mortals to live forever at a young age in perfect health. ( before the rebellion) knowing only good.
That means no more wars of hatred, greed, hatred itself, sickness,diseases-- all united in love and peace. plenty of food for all, the wolf will eat alongside the lamb( meaning harmony) this truly is good news for mankind.

Gods word teaches that the way this will occur is by Harmageddon, most probably fear this. All wickedness and wicked things will be wiped off of Gods earth. No more govts of men--Gods kingdom is like a govt--it has a king. It will be ruling all of creation at that point, never to end. so in reality Harmageddon is good news for mankind and the earth--God invited all to be apart of this coming reality, but as Jesus taught, Few find the road that leads to life--those few are being taught the above realities now.
Those who teach Jesus' teachings know that Jesus promised the earth to the meek ones, not heaven as the false religions that do not teach Jesus' truths teach. The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day--saying--the world took no note( did not see the prophecys passing right before their eyes) Why??? because their spiritual teachers reside in darkness.

Gods word teaches "WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE"!!
Matthew 4:10
Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.""

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

Jesus lets them WORSHIP Him!
Jesus does NOT correct them because he is God!

Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

kjw47 "Worship is for GOD ALONE" Jesus tells you so!!!
Gods word teaches; "WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE"!!

>>They worship Jesus and Jesus does not stop the worship!!!<<

Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE!!!
ONLY for God!!

Jesus is worshiped!



Actually the greek word proskenaue had 4 different meanings from greek to English--1) worship to God--2) obeisance to a king--2 others

Gods chosen were looking for the messiah to be their king--a powerful king right then to defeat the romans( not truth) a mere carpenters son trys to teach them the true will of his Father, but they reject him and said he was getting power from satan. So in usage for the Messiah( Jesus) obeisance to a king is the proper translating of that greek word-- trinity translations are filled with errors.

I reply.. And your point is???!

Jesus is GOD; Jesus is WORSHIPED!
Jesus tells you "Worship is >>>ONLY FOR GOD!!!
They worship Jesus!!!
Jesus allows them to worship him, Jesus does NOT stop the worship.. They honor Jesus as GOD!

28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
(JESUS' REPLY to Thomas, the next verse)
29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."


kjw47 Because you have seen me... But Those who in the future who believe Jesus is GOD are BLESSED!!!!

Jesus does NOT correct Thomas because Jesus IS GOD and Thomas believes it!
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8/22/2013 12:09:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Without even reading a single post, I'm calling stupid jehovian propaganda.
I win.
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8/22/2013 12:26:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/21/2013 5:54:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
"The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day"


I'll lay 10 to 1 that we come to find out that this "little flock" is headquartered in Brooklyn. Any takers?

The 144, 000 is a symbolic number that means Christ, the Heavenly Kingdom that God's creation exists, represented by the saints who speak for our Creator.

Christ is the Holy Spirit that uses the flesh of us prophets and saints to reveal God's eternal plan and how we're created within His mind. This is also called the Word and the Word is the invisible Voice of God that became flesh (prophets and saints) to be a witness and testify from Christ.

All God's people ( Israel ) were created in Christ ( Jacob ) but during this age, were put in the flesh formed by Lucifer ( the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ) to deceive us from knowing God's eternal plan. From this delusion, God drew out His servant ( Holy Spirit ) in the minds ( mind of God ) of His prophets and saints to reveal Himself and His plan.

We saints ( who are created as Christ where all God's creation exists ) know that all God's people are saved from their flesh formed by Lucifer and will receive new flesh in the next earthly kingdom. The new Heaven means that we'll never have deception in our new flesh and language to deceive us from the Truth again.
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8/22/2013 3:36:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/22/2013 12:09:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
Without even reading a single post, I'm calling stupid jehovian propaganda.
I win.

so in reality you are saying that you don't know Jesus and his teachings, because I know for a fact the JW,s are the only ones who do teach Jesus' truths. but it takes believing Jesus over men and the majority refuse to do that task.
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8/22/2013 3:39:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/22/2013 12:26:23 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 8/21/2013 5:54:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
"The one religion Jesus is with teach--the meek( mild tempered) will inherit the earth( this is for the great crowd of other sheep)--- the little flock = the bride of Christ = 144,000 are bought from the earth( rev 14:3)( heavenly promise) bought with Jesus' blood.
Jesus also compared these last days to Noahs day"


I'll lay 10 to 1 that we come to find out that this "little flock" is headquartered in Brooklyn. Any takers?

The 144, 000 is a symbolic number that means Christ, the Heavenly Kingdom that God's creation exists, represented by the saints who speak for our Creator.

Christ is the Holy Spirit that uses the flesh of us prophets and saints to reveal God's eternal plan and how we're created within His mind. This is also called the Word and the Word is the invisible Voice of God that became flesh (prophets and saints) to be a witness and testify from Christ.

All God's people ( Israel ) were created in Christ ( Jacob ) but during this age, were put in the flesh formed by Lucifer ( the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ) to deceive us from knowing God's eternal plan. From this delusion, God drew out His servant ( Holy Spirit ) in the minds ( mind of God ) of His prophets and saints to reveal Himself and His plan.

We saints ( who are created as Christ where all God's creation exists ) know that all God's people are saved from their flesh formed by Lucifer and will receive new flesh in the next earthly kingdom. The new Heaven means that we'll never have deception in our new flesh and language to deceive us from the Truth again.

Gods word clearly teaches 144,000 are bought from the earth( mortals) rev 14:3) and they will sit on thrones alongside of Jesus helping to judge-- they will be kings and priests. these are the little flock= the bride of Christ. so according to Gods written word the spirit you are listening to is speaking lies.
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8/22/2013 7:48:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'll repost, since kjw elected to answer borno's nonsense:

Proskyneo or one of its derivatives occurs about sixty times in the NT, and every time - without exception - it is translated "worship". It is thus translated in the KJV and perhaps more importantly in the 1901 ASV, when the 101-member American Revision Committee revised the KJV. These 101 members were Greek scholars, each and every one. "Worship" is merely "reverence paid or offered".

What did Satan mean when he said, "All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me." Do you think he means "render obeisance" - to "acknowledge another's importance"?

*****

kjw: "Gods chosen were looking for the messiah to be their king"

Anna: They sure were. Those old Jews had enough sense to know that when the messiah came, the kingdom would come. They were, however, severely mistaken about the nature of the kingdom. They expected a kingdom headquartered in Jerusalem, but Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

kjw: "but they reject him and said he was getting power from satan. So in usage for the Messiah( Jesus) obeisance to a king is the proper translating of that greek word"

Anna: The Jews who rejected Him never worshiped Him nor rendered obeisance to Him, so what they thought makes no difference. However, some did recognize exactly who He was: "And they that were in the boat worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."

Actually, Dogknox's argument about "worship" is not a very sound argument: I wouldn't rank it at the top of the list, but the very fact that you seem to accept his premise, then seek to re-translate the word arbitrarily is very telling.

*****

kjw: "The 144,000 started being picked while Jesus was a mortal, all the way down until these last days some are on the earth."

Anna: Who told you that? For all you know, that 144,000 was closed up by the end of the first or second century.

*****

kjw: "We all must make a choice--listen to Jesus who clearly teaches that he has a God( Father) John 20:17, rev 3:12) or listen to mistranslated bibles"

Anna: That's not a choice. Certainly Jesus has a father - and it wasn't Joseph. You have made a big play about "mistranslated Bibles".

Which Bible translation do you use - and what are the names of the scholars and their credentials who translated it?

I guarantee you that it'll be some "one-man wonder" or some anonymous translation by men who didn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint. You at least need to find one by a large group of real Bible scholars with degrees in Biblical languages.
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8/22/2013 8:30:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/22/2013 7:48:41 PM, annanicole wrote:
I'll repost, since kjw elected to answer borno's nonsense:

Proskyneo or one of its derivatives occurs about sixty times in the NT, and every time - without exception - it is translated "worship". It is thus translated in the KJV and perhaps more importantly in the 1901 ASV, when the 101-member American Revision Committee revised the KJV. These 101 members were Greek scholars, each and every one. "Worship" is merely "reverence paid or offered".

What did Satan mean when he said, "All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me." Do you think he means "render obeisance" - to "acknowledge another's importance"?

*****

kjw: "Gods chosen were looking for the messiah to be their king"

Anna: They sure were. Those old Jews had enough sense to know that when the messiah came, the kingdom would come. They were, however, severely mistaken about the nature of the kingdom. They expected a kingdom headquartered in Jerusalem, but Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

kjw: "but they reject him and said he was getting power from satan. So in usage for the Messiah( Jesus) obeisance to a king is the proper translating of that greek word"

Anna: The Jews who rejected Him never worshiped Him nor rendered obeisance to Him, so what they thought makes no difference. However, some did recognize exactly who He was: "And they that were in the boat worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."

Actually, Dogknox's argument about "worship" is not a very sound argument: I wouldn't rank it at the top of the list, but the very fact that you seem to accept his premise, then seek to re-translate the word arbitrarily is very telling.

*****

kjw: "The 144,000 started being picked while Jesus was a mortal, all the way down until these last days some are on the earth."

Anna: Who told you that? For all you know, that 144,000 was closed up by the end of the first or second century.

*****

kjw: "We all must make a choice--listen to Jesus who clearly teaches that he has a God( Father) John 20:17, rev 3:12) or listen to mistranslated bibles"

Anna: That's not a choice. Certainly Jesus has a father - and it wasn't Joseph. You have made a big play about "mistranslated Bibles".

Which Bible translation do you use - and what are the names of the scholars and their credentials who translated it?

I guarantee you that it'll be some "one-man wonder" or some anonymous translation by men who didn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint. You at least need to find one by a large group of real Bible scholars with degrees in Biblical languages.

They were trinity scholars-- Jesus' own teachings I showed you prove the trinity translations are erred and way out of harmony with Jesus' teachings. The New world translation is in harmony. their credentials= Jesus' teachers. Same thing the Pharisees complained about Jesus and his teachers-- they didn't attend the religious schools of men-- yet were teaching them truths.

Satan wanted Jesus to do a sin-- its the only thing that would defeat the whole purpose of his coming--he had to die a perfect mortal life. thus--sin = worship to satan. no wonder God and Jesus hate sin.
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8/22/2013 11:50:48 PM
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Anna: Which Bible translation do you use - and what are the names of the scholars and their credentials who translated it?

I guarantee you that it'll be some "one-man wonder" or some anonymous translation by men who didn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint. You at least need to find one by a large group of real Bible scholars with degrees in Biblical languages.

kjw: They were trinity scholars-- Jesus' own teachings I showed you prove the trinity translations are erred and way out of harmony with Jesus' teachings. The New world translation is in harmony. their credentials= Jesus' teachers. Same thing the Pharisees complained about Jesus and his teachers-- they didn't attend the religious schools of men-- yet were teaching them truths.

Anna: Jesus and His apostles were inspired of God. They didn't translate scripture: what they said, their words, were and are scripture. Now what about these non-scholars, possibly non-high school graduates, who got together and pretended to translate Greek words and phrases - and handed us the so-called "New World Translation"? Well, they weren't inspired. They weren't anything. Just men. God didn't especially guide them any more than He guided the next person in translation.

You are using a perversion, a pseudoBible that is put forth as a translation, and its errors are numerous, notorious, and well-documented. The sheer inconsistency in the NWT is enough to condemn it.

I told you that you'd use (and I quote) "some anonymous translation by men who didn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint." Think of it! KJW uses a "translation" that was translated from Greek to English by men who nothing about Greek! What if I provided you a translation of, say, a speech by Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany. You say, "That doesn't sound right. Who translated it?" I reply, "I did - and I can't even speak German, but God led me!" That's about what you are saying.
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8/23/2013 10:13:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/22/2013 3:36:35 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 8/22/2013 12:09:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
Without even reading a single post, I'm calling stupid jehovian propaganda.
I win.


so in reality you are saying that you don't know Jesus and his teachings, because I know for a fact the JW,s are the only ones who do teach Jesus' truths. but it takes believing Jesus over men and the majority refuse to do that task.

There's no facts about God in the minds of sinners. They are all under the sinful "veil" that won't be uncovered until their flesh has perished. The wages of sin is death, which means death to the flesh, not the spirit of man that was created in the invisible "Christ".
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8/23/2013 3:03:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/22/2013 11:50:48 PM, annanicole wrote:
Anna: Which Bible translation do you use - and what are the names of the scholars and their credentials who translated it?

I guarantee you that it'll be some "one-man wonder" or some anonymous translation by men who didn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint. You at least need to find one by a large group of real Bible scholars with degrees in Biblical languages.

kjw: They were trinity scholars-- Jesus' own teachings I showed you prove the trinity translations are erred and way out of harmony with Jesus' teachings. The New world translation is in harmony. their credentials= Jesus' teachers. Same thing the Pharisees complained about Jesus and his teachers-- they didn't attend the religious schools of men-- yet were teaching them truths.

Anna: Jesus and His apostles were inspired of God. They didn't translate scripture: what they said, their words, were and are scripture. Now what about these non-scholars, possibly non-high school graduates, who got together and pretended to translate Greek words and phrases - and handed us the so-called "New World Translation"? Well, they weren't inspired. They weren't anything. Just men. God didn't especially guide them any more than He guided the next person in translation.

You are using a perversion, a pseudoBible that is put forth as a translation, and its errors are numerous, notorious, and well-documented. The sheer inconsistency in the NWT is enough to condemn it.

I told you that you'd use (and I quote) "some anonymous translation by men who didn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint." Think of it! KJW uses a "translation" that was translated from Greek to English by men who nothing about Greek! What if I provided you a translation of, say, a speech by Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany. You say, "That doesn't sound right. Who translated it?" I reply, "I did - and I can't even speak German, but God led me!" That's about what you are saying.

I have read and used many translations--the only one in harmony with the teachings of Jesus is the new world translation. The only one for centuries that put back Gods personal name--while the rest took it out.( recently the new kjv has put Gods personal name back.) The real teachers of Jesus do not need the schools of men to know truth.
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8/23/2013 3:10:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
kjw: "The real teachers of Jesus do not need the schools of men to know truth."

Anna: Really? How would you go about translating Greek to English?
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8/23/2013 3:18:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/23/2013 3:10:24 PM, annanicole wrote:
kjw: "The real teachers of Jesus do not need the schools of men to know truth."

Anna: Really? How would you go about translating Greek to English?

Years of personal study by not 1 but a group of men. study of old writings--history and languages. They didn't come up with the nwt until about 80 years after their start, by groups of men studying all 3 phases I showed.

the main point is--I showed you 5 important teachings straight from Jesus' mouth--found in every translation on the planet-- and showed that the JW teachers are the only ones who teach those truths. while the rest, as you are doing--reject those teachings over mens dogma.
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8/23/2013 3:24:39 PM
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At 8/23/2013 3:10:24 PM, annanicole wrote:
kjw: "The real teachers of Jesus do not need the schools of men to know truth."

Anna: Really? How would you go about translating Greek to English?

John 7
13: Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him.
14: About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.
15: The Jews marveled at it, saying, "How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?"
16: So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me;
17: if any man's will is to do his will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
18: He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.

We saints don't need scriptures to learn from. God has us read some prophecies to help clarify the invisible knowledge that we were created as but everything else is taught to us as God puts the words from our vocabulary into our mind to write or speak with. Our spirit ( the Holy Spirit ) is the witness to our testimonies that speak the Truth of our Creator.

1 John 2
27: but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.

Psalm 132
11: The LORD swore to David a sure oath from which he will not turn back: "One of the sons of your body I will set on your throne.
12: If your sons keep my covenant and my testimonies which I shall teach them, their sons also for ever shall sit upon your throne."
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8/24/2013 1:13:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/23/2013 3:03:24 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 8/22/2013 11:50:48 PM, annanicole wrote:
Anna: Which Bible translation do you use - and what are the names of the scholars and their credentials who translated it?

I guarantee you that it'll be some "one-man wonder" or some anonymous translation by men who didn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint. You at least need to find one by a large group of real Bible scholars with degrees in Biblical languages.

kjw: They were trinity scholars-- Jesus' own teachings I showed you prove the trinity translations are erred and way out of harmony with Jesus' teachings. The New world translation is in harmony. their credentials= Jesus' teachers. Same thing the Pharisees complained about Jesus and his teachers-- they didn't attend the religious schools of men-- yet were teaching them truths.

Anna: Jesus and His apostles were inspired of God. They didn't translate scripture: what they said, their words, were and are scripture. Now what about these non-scholars, possibly non-high school graduates, who got together and pretended to translate Greek words and phrases - and handed us the so-called "New World Translation"? Well, they weren't inspired. They weren't anything. Just men. God didn't especially guide them any more than He guided the next person in translation.

You are using a perversion, a pseudoBible that is put forth as a translation, and its errors are numerous, notorious, and well-documented. The sheer inconsistency in the NWT is enough to condemn it.

I told you that you'd use (and I quote) "some anonymous translation by men who didn't know a Greek letter from a chicken's clawprint." Think of it! KJW uses a "translation" that was translated from Greek to English by men who nothing about Greek! What if I provided you a translation of, say, a speech by Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany. You say, "That doesn't sound right. Who translated it?" I reply, "I did - and I can't even speak German, but God led me!" That's about what you are saying.


I have read and used many translations--the only one in harmony with the teachings of Jesus is the new world translation. The only one for centuries that put back Gods personal name--while the rest took it out.( recently the new kjv has put Gods personal name back.) The real teachers of Jesus do not need the schools of men to know truth.
That would be why the jehovians have admitted that the use of the name jehovah is just traditional with jehovians, not scriptural. Good one jehovians.
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8/24/2013 4:19:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
kjw: "The real teachers of Jesus do not need the schools of men to know truth."

Anna: Really? How would you go about translating Greek to English?

kjw: Years of personal study by not 1 but a group of men. study of old writings--history and languages.

Anna: LMAO @ "years of personal study". How do you know that they learned anything in their "years of personal study"? And, furthermore, how do you know they even studied for years? Lastly, how do you know who or what they all were? The whole thing is suspicious at the outset: "anonymous translators with no formal education in ancient languages, especially Greek." That scheme won't work for medicine, law, education, dentristy, or any other profession.

kjw: They didn't come up with the nwt until about 80 years after their start, by groups of men studying all 3 phases I showed.

Anna: Yeah, after they got sick of folks pointing out that that the KJV and ASV did not teach their doctrines.

kjw: the main point is--I showed you 5 important teachings straight from Jesus' mouth--found in every translation on the planet-- and showed that the JW teachers are the only ones who teach those truths.

Anna: Really? I don't see them. You rambled about Armegeddon just as all WatchTowerites do. Wasn't Armegeddon one of those many things that were to "shortly come to pass" because the "time was at hand" way back in the first century? I think it was.

kjw: while the rest, as you are doing--reject those teachings over mens dogma.

Anna: Listen, all the Russellites ever did was prognosticate and speculate, misapply and misinterpret prophesies, then mutilate and render meaningless dozens of plain passages in order to support their silly musings on prophesy. They are the head honchos of redefining simple, common words and phrases.

I can tell you some "good news about the kingdom": it's territory is not this earth; it's territory is the hearts of men. Jesus Christ is king now - and has been for nearly 2,000 years - and every Christian (including Paul, John, the Colossians, and the first readers of Revelation) were in the kingdom in the first century. Every saved person is a citizen of the kingdom of Jesus Christ - right now. These self-styled "Jehovah's Witnesses" can't even get that right: they are too busy speculating endlessly on prophesies.
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8/24/2013 11:19:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/24/2013 4:19:33 AM, annanicole wrote:
kjw: "The real teachers of Jesus do not need the schools of men to know truth."

Anna: Really? How would you go about translating Greek to English?

kjw: Years of personal study by not 1 but a group of men. study of old writings--history and languages.

Anna: LMAO @ "years of personal study". How do you know that they learned anything in their "years of personal study"? And, furthermore, how do you know they even studied for years? Lastly, how do you know who or what they all were? The whole thing is suspicious at the outset: "anonymous translators with no formal education in ancient languages, especially Greek." That scheme won't work for medicine, law, education, dentristy, or any other profession.

kjw: They didn't come up with the nwt until about 80 years after their start, by groups of men studying all 3 phases I showed.

Anna: Yeah, after they got sick of folks pointing out that that the KJV and ASV did not teach their doctrines.

kjw: the main point is--I showed you 5 important teachings straight from Jesus' mouth--found in every translation on the planet-- and showed that the JW teachers are the only ones who teach those truths.

Anna: Really? I don't see them. You rambled about Armegeddon just as all WatchTowerites do. Wasn't Armegeddon one of those many things that were to "shortly come to pass" because the "time was at hand" way back in the first century? I think it was.

kjw: while the rest, as you are doing--reject those teachings over mens dogma.

Anna: Listen, all the Russellites ever did was prognosticate and speculate, misapply and misinterpret prophesies, then mutilate and render meaningless dozens of plain passages in order to support their silly musings on prophesy. They are the head honchos of redefining simple, common words and phrases.

I can tell you some "good news about the kingdom": it's territory is not this earth; it's territory is the hearts of men. Jesus Christ is king now - and has been for nearly 2,000 years - and every Christian (including Paul, John, the Colossians, and the first readers of Revelation) were in the kingdom in the first century. Every saved person is a citizen of the kingdom of Jesus Christ - right now. These self-styled "Jehovah's Witnesses" can't even get that right: they are too busy speculating endlessly on prophesies.

Here, you missed these scriptures to show that us saints get knowledge directly from our Creator. All knowledge came from our Creator but most of it came through His plan of deception called the "beast". It started out as religious stories to go along with their false god's ( buildings that they built according to the star constellations that the beast taught them to look at and connect the white dots that they saw. These star constellations became their false gods so they built them from earthen materials.

The mark of the beast is the thoughts that God put in their minds to look at the stars without these men knowing where these thoughts came from. With these ideas that God placed in the mind of the chief architects who thought they created these ideas, they had men build these buildings with their human hands. So the symbolic mark on the hands of the beast means that men built false gods with their hands.

This is why God used Christianity as teachers of building techniques to go around the world and teach men how to build things ( church buildings, altars of earthen materials, pews, statues, etc. ) that helped build the cities and schools. From all these building techniques, God was able to get His people to build His latest technology to explain His invisible Kingdom that no man could ever see before and will never see it.

We have learned from all the modern technology of microscopes, telescopes, computers, printers, robots, etc. that we are made of invisible energy that no man can ever see. This is our heavenly Kingdom of God that we all were created as. The visible world that we perceive comes out of this invisible world that we can't see. Energy has to be processed into a world that we can experience with sight, smell, taste, touch, emotional feelings, hearing, etc. This is why we're given the illusion of a flesh to experience these things that were created invisible energy before anything existed.
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8/24/2013 2:42:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/24/2013 4:19:33 AM, annanicole wrote:
kjw: "The real teachers of Jesus do not need the schools of men to know truth."

Anna: Really? How would you go about translating Greek to English?

kjw: Years of personal study by not 1 but a group of men. study of old writings--history and languages.

Anna: LMAO @ "years of personal study". How do you know that they learned anything in their "years of personal study"? And, furthermore, how do you know they even studied for years? Lastly, how do you know who or what they all were? The whole thing is suspicious at the outset: "anonymous translators with no formal education in ancient languages, especially Greek." That scheme won't work for medicine, law, education, dentristy, or any other profession.

kjw: They didn't come up with the nwt until about 80 years after their start, by groups of men studying all 3 phases I showed.

Anna: Yeah, after they got sick of folks pointing out that that the KJV and ASV did not teach their doctrines.

kjw: the main point is--I showed you 5 important teachings straight from Jesus' mouth--found in every translation on the planet-- and showed that the JW teachers are the only ones who teach those truths.

Anna: Really? I don't see them. You rambled about Armegeddon just as all WatchTowerites do. Wasn't Armegeddon one of those many things that were to "shortly come to pass" because the "time was at hand" way back in the first century? I think it was.

kjw: while the rest, as you are doing--reject those teachings over mens dogma.

Anna: Listen, all the Russellites ever did was prognosticate and speculate, misapply and misinterpret prophesies, then mutilate and render meaningless dozens of plain passages in order to support their silly musings on prophesy. They are the head honchos of redefining simple, common words and phrases.

I can tell you some "good news about the kingdom": it's territory is not this earth; it's territory is the hearts of men. Jesus Christ is king now - and has been for nearly 2,000 years - and every Christian (including Paul, John, the Colossians, and the first readers of Revelation) were in the kingdom in the first century. Every saved person is a citizen of the kingdom of Jesus Christ - right now. These self-styled "Jehovah's Witnesses" can't even get that right: they are too busy speculating endlessly on prophesies.

The 5 teachings of Jesus in post one.( what this topic is about)

Gods word teaches-- those who endure till the end will be saved.
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8/24/2013 2:44:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/24/2013 4:19:33 AM, annanicole wrote:
kjw: "The real teachers of Jesus do not need the schools of men to know truth."

Anna: Really? How would you go about translating Greek to English?

kjw: Years of personal study by not 1 but a group of men. study of old writings--history and languages.

Anna: LMAO @ "years of personal study". How do you know that they learned anything in their "years of personal study"? And, furthermore, how do you know they even studied for years? Lastly, how do you know who or what they all were? The whole thing is suspicious at the outset: "anonymous translators with no formal education in ancient languages, especially Greek." That scheme won't work for medicine, law, education, dentristy, or any other profession.

kjw: They didn't come up with the nwt until about 80 years after their start, by groups of men studying all 3 phases I showed.

Anna: Yeah, after they got sick of folks pointing out that that the KJV and ASV did not teach their doctrines.

kjw: the main point is--I showed you 5 important teachings straight from Jesus' mouth--found in every translation on the planet-- and showed that the JW teachers are the only ones who teach those truths.

Anna: Really? I don't see them. You rambled about Armegeddon just as all WatchTowerites do. Wasn't Armegeddon one of those many things that were to "shortly come to pass" because the "time was at hand" way back in the first century? I think it was.

kjw: while the rest, as you are doing--reject those teachings over mens dogma.

Anna: Listen, all the Russellites ever did was prognosticate and speculate, misapply and misinterpret prophesies, then mutilate and render meaningless dozens of plain passages in order to support their silly musings on prophesy. They are the head honchos of redefining simple, common words and phrases.

I can tell you some "good news about the kingdom": it's territory is not this earth; it's territory is the hearts of men. Jesus Christ is king now - and has been for nearly 2,000 years - and every Christian (including Paul, John, the Colossians, and the first readers of Revelation) were in the kingdom in the first century. Every saved person is a citizen of the kingdom of Jesus Christ - right now. These self-styled "Jehovah's Witnesses" can't even get that right: they are too busy speculating endlessly on prophesies.

the 5 teachings are in the other topic I started-- my apologies
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8/24/2013 4:19:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
kjw: "the 5 teachings are in the other topic I started-- my apologies"

Anna: Well, I haven't seen them - or don't remember them, but I guarantee you that three or four out of the five are related to the WatchTower's interpretations of prophesies. As I said, they rewrite, mutilate, and render meaningless plain statements due to their peculiar views on Bible prophesy.
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8/24/2013 5:12:49 PM
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At 8/24/2013 4:19:19 PM, annanicole wrote:
kjw: "the 5 teachings are in the other topic I started-- my apologies"

Anna: Well, I haven't seen them - or don't remember them, but I guarantee you that three or four out of the five are related to the WatchTower's interpretations of prophesies. As I said, they rewrite, mutilate, and render meaningless plain statements due to their peculiar views on Bible prophesy.

I erred again, I only had 1 teaching there. They are not related to watchtower interpretations--they are 5 major teachings straight from Jesus -- in every translation in existence.

1) Keep on seeking first the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness, and all these other things will be added---------- who do you think Jesus meant by his?

2) The meek will inherit the earth.--- obviously heaven or hell as the end is not truth.

3) The Lords prayer--hallowed be thy name( Jehovah)-- the kingdom, power and glory all belong to the Father( Jehovah)

4) John 17: 1-6( prayer to his Father) ----- Jesus calls the one who sent him( John 5:30= the Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD--And Jesus said one must know him and Jesus to get eternal life. verse 6 = Jehovah.

5) Jesus clearly in his own words of truth teaches that he has a God-John 20:17, rev 3:12-- his Father= Jehovah

And yes only the JW teachers teach these truths.
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8/24/2013 8:46:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
kjw: "And yes only the JW teachers teach these truths."

Anna: LOL The self-styled Witnesses pervert "these truths". Here's an example:

'1) Keep on seeking first the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness, and all these other things will be added---------- who do you think Jesus meant by his?"

I know full well what He meant. Jesus came to establish His kingdom, and He constantly preached that the kingdom was at hand, nigh unto you, to shortly come to pass, etc. He even told those standing there that some of them would not die until the kingdom came. Jesus was telling his disciples that, although the kingdom had not yet arrived, it would shortly - and they were to seek after it, look for it.

After the kingdom came on Pentecost, Paul emphatically states that he and the Colossians were in it. John stated that he and the first readers of Revelation were in it.

What do Witnesses say? Mark it: they say that the kingdom did not come! Was Paul in the kingdom? NO, according to Witnesses!

Do you not see that the WatchTower group must pervert dozens of passages on the kingdom alone?
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8/24/2013 10:15:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Since when is it Good News that this earth is going to be potentially suffering from more alleged supernatural angelic warfare as it was before in Story book heaven? (cf. Rev. 12:7) KJV Story book

Story book god lost control of even its own supernatural angels (apparently?)

Just more of the same, no thanks!


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