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9/14/2013 10:29:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Look up sumerian legends and i am sure you fill find out about a figure named the ancient one. His stiry is much like noah's AND the polytheistic religions in mesopotamia were recorde to have started BEFORE judiasim and christianity.
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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9/14/2013 10:54:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 10:29:11 AM, cybertron1998 wrote:
Look up sumerian legends and i am sure you fill find out about a figure named the ancient one. His stiry is much like noah's AND the polytheistic religions in mesopotamia were recorde to have started BEFORE judiasim and christianity.

*roll eyes* You know biblical scholars have known this for literally over a hundred years, right? They teach this in seminary.
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9/14/2013 4:28:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 10:54:39 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:29:11 AM, cybertron1998 wrote:
Look up sumerian legends and i am sure you fill find out about a figure named the ancient one. His stiry is much like noah's AND the polytheistic religions in mesopotamia were recorde to have started BEFORE judiasim and christianity.

*roll eyes* You know biblical scholars have known this for literally over a hundred years, right? They teach this in seminary.

well know i actually didn't...i feel stupid for posting this
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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9/14/2013 6:00:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 4:28:35 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:54:39 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:29:11 AM, cybertron1998 wrote:
Look up sumerian legends and i am sure you fill find out about a figure named the ancient one. His stiry is much like noah's AND the polytheistic religions in mesopotamia were recorde to have started BEFORE judiasim and christianity.

*roll eyes* You know biblical scholars have known this for literally over a hundred years, right? They teach this in seminary.

well know i actually didn't...i feel stupid for posting this

There's also the point that assuming the Bible is true, which Christians generally do, clearly while the Sumerian story is a version of the story, the Bible contains the true events, whether passed down or given directly from God.
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9/14/2013 6:10:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 6:00:08 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 4:28:35 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:54:39 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:29:11 AM, cybertron1998 wrote:
Look up sumerian legends and i am sure you fill find out about a figure named the ancient one. His stiry is much like noah's AND the polytheistic religions in mesopotamia were recorde to have started BEFORE judiasim and christianity.

*roll eyes* You know biblical scholars have known this for literally over a hundred years, right? They teach this in seminary.

well know i actually didn't...i feel stupid for posting this

There's also the point that assuming the Bible is true, which Christians generally do, clearly while the Sumerian story is a version of the story, the Bible contains the true events, whether passed down or given directly from God.

Do you know of any religious text that isn't claimed by it's adherent as containing "true events, whether passed down or given directly from God"?
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9/14/2013 6:25:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 6:10:58 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:00:08 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 4:28:35 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:54:39 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:29:11 AM, cybertron1998 wrote:
Look up sumerian legends and i am sure you fill find out about a figure named the ancient one. His stiry is much like noah's AND the polytheistic religions in mesopotamia were recorde to have started BEFORE judiasim and christianity.

*roll eyes* You know biblical scholars have known this for literally over a hundred years, right? They teach this in seminary.

well know i actually didn't...i feel stupid for posting this

There's also the point that assuming the Bible is true, which Christians generally do, clearly while the Sumerian story is a version of the story, the Bible contains the true events, whether passed down or given directly from God.

Do you know of any religious text that isn't claimed by it's adherent as containing "true events, whether passed down or given directly from God"?

Relevance?
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9/14/2013 6:28:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 6:25:38 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:10:58 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:00:08 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 4:28:35 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:54:39 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:29:11 AM, cybertron1998 wrote:
Look up sumerian legends and i am sure you fill find out about a figure named the ancient one. His stiry is much like noah's AND the polytheistic religions in mesopotamia were recorde to have started BEFORE judiasim and christianity.

*roll eyes* You know biblical scholars have known this for literally over a hundred years, right? They teach this in seminary.

well know i actually didn't...i feel stupid for posting this

There's also the point that assuming the Bible is true, which Christians generally do, clearly while the Sumerian story is a version of the story, the Bible contains the true events, whether passed down or given directly from God.

Do you know of any religious text that isn't claimed by it's adherent as containing "true events, whether passed down or given directly from God"?

Relevance?

The legitimacy of the flood narrative.
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9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 6:28:19 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:25:38 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:10:58 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:00:08 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 4:28:35 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:54:39 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/14/2013 10:29:11 AM, cybertron1998 wrote:
Look up sumerian legends and i am sure you fill find out about a figure named the ancient one. His stiry is much like noah's AND the polytheistic religions in mesopotamia were recorde to have started BEFORE judiasim and christianity.

*roll eyes* You know biblical scholars have known this for literally over a hundred years, right? They teach this in seminary.

well know i actually didn't...i feel stupid for posting this

There's also the point that assuming the Bible is true, which Christians generally do, clearly while the Sumerian story is a version of the story, the Bible contains the true events, whether passed down or given directly from God.

Do you know of any religious text that isn't claimed by it's adherent as containing "true events, whether passed down or given directly from God"?

Relevance?

The legitimacy of the flood narrative.

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.
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9/14/2013 6:41:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The flood myth is universal.

The Israelites were actually native Canaanites who worshiped El and Asherah, then merged/replaced El with the Midianite war god Yahweh (Moses, if he existed, was probably of Midianite origin). They lived across 25 camps in Canaan that are indistinguishable from non-Israelite settlements except for the lack of pig bones. The Israelites spread peacefully (minus the confrontations with the Philistines) across the land until they occupied Jerusalem, then established a kingdom known as the "House of Omri" (retroactively renamed the "House of David") once the Egyptians lost sovereignty of the Canaanite region (the Exodus would have been pointless if it was real, which it probably wasn't due to the absence of Egyptian influence on Israelite culture, as Pharaoh could have pursued them to Canaan and would responded with force if they invaded a region under Egyptian control).

In other words, everything from Genesis up to 1 Kings is probably bullsh*t.
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9/14/2013 6:44:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 6:41:15 PM, Jack212 wrote:
The flood myth is universal.

The Israelites were actually native Canaanites who worshiped El and Asherah, then merged/replaced El with the Midianite war god Yahweh (Moses, if he existed, was probably of Midianite origin). They lived across 25 camps in Canaan that are indistinguishable from non-Israelite settlements except for the lack of pig bones. The Israelites spread peacefully (minus the confrontations with the Philistines) across the land until they occupied Jerusalem, then established a kingdom known as the "House of Omri" (retroactively renamed the "House of David") once the Egyptians lost sovereignty of the Canaanite region (the Exodus would have been pointless if it was real, which it probably wasn't due to the absence of Egyptian influence on Israelite culture, as Pharaoh could have pursued them to Canaan and would responded with force if they invaded a region under Egyptian control).

In other words, everything from Genesis up to 1 Kings is probably bullsh*t.

Well, that escalated quickly. Also...no.
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9/14/2013 6:59:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 6:44:26 PM, Naysayer wrote:

Well, that escalated quickly. Also...no.

"Also... no" is not a rebuttal. Besides, I have sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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9/14/2013 7:10:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 6:59:39 PM, Jack212 wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:44:26 PM, Naysayer wrote:

Well, that escalated quickly. Also...no.

"Also... no" is not a rebuttal. Besides, I have sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

And the Hittites never existed.

History as a science is only based on what you can prove. The Sumerians didn't just wake up one day and decide they were going to start saving receipts in the form of clay tablets on the sale of donkeys. But we have no historical proof of what led to it, so the Sumerians are listed as the oldest civilization.

Relating to the Bible, the facts in the Bible have been used to prove history in many, many cases. There's no real reason to dismiss it out of hand other than bias. History certainly doesn't have any conclusive proof, only evidence one way or the other.
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9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.
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9/14/2013 7:20:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 7:10:11 PM, Naysayer wrote:

And the Hittites never existed.

Wrong. Evidence has been unearthed since the 19th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

History as a science is only based on what you can prove. The Sumerians didn't just wake up one day and decide they were going to start saving receipts in the form of clay tablets on the sale of donkeys. But we have no historical proof of what led to it, so the Sumerians are listed as the oldest civilization.

Relevance?

Relating to the Bible, the facts in the Bible have been used to prove history in many, many cases. There's no real reason to dismiss it out of hand other than bias. History certainly doesn't have any conclusive proof, only evidence one way or the other.

Citations please.
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9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.
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9/15/2013 8:08:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.
And that might explain all those flood myths?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/15/2013 8:09:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 7:20:46 PM, Jack212 wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:10:11 PM, Naysayer wrote:

And the Hittites never existed.

Wrong. Evidence has been unearthed since the 19th century.

I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

History as a science is only based on what you can prove. The Sumerians didn't just wake up one day and decide they were going to start saving receipts in the form of clay tablets on the sale of donkeys. But we have no historical proof of what led to it, so the Sumerians are listed as the oldest civilization.

Relevance?

Regardless of your theory, it's hard to disprove any historical theory, only prove them. History tends to work in the affirmative only. Just because you don't have proof doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Relating to the Bible, the facts in the Bible have been used to prove history in many, many cases. There's no real reason to dismiss it out of hand other than bias. History certainly doesn't have any conclusive proof, only evidence one way or the other.

Citations please.

http://www.inplainsite.org...
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9/15/2013 8:11:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 8:08:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.
And that might explain all those flood myths?

It would be a reasonable conclusion, if you assume the God of the Bible and that the Bible is true.
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9/15/2013 8:15:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/14/2013 7:20:46 PM, Jack212 wrote:
Relating to the Bible, the facts in the Bible have been used to prove history in many, many cases. There's no real reason to dismiss it out of hand other than bias. History certainly doesn't have any conclusive proof, only evidence one way or the other.

Citations please.

More specific:

http://www.inplainsite.org...
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9/15/2013 9:41:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 8:11:44 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:08:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.
And that might explain all those flood myths?

It would be a reasonable conclusion, if you assume the God of the Bible and that the Bible is true.
Well it may be reasonable if all those other people with flood myths didn't die in your flood myth. Ya see if they died in your flood myth then there would be no-one to recount their flood myth. Woops.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/15/2013 12:14:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.

Considering there is a great deal of archaeological and geological evidence for regional flooding, and a great deal against global flooding I think can eliminate the latter for the time being. That is of course if you value evidence.
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9/15/2013 3:16:37 PM
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At 9/15/2013 12:14:51 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.

Considering there is a great deal of archaeological and geological evidence for regional flooding, and a great deal against global flooding I think can eliminate the latter for the time being. That is of course if you value evidence.

I can literally go on for a week showing how incorrect that statement is.
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9/15/2013 3:41:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 3:16:37 PM, AeneasPhebe wrote:
At 9/15/2013 12:14:51 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.

Considering there is a great deal of archaeological and geological evidence for regional flooding, and a great deal against global flooding I think can eliminate the latter for the time being. That is of course if you value evidence.

I can literally go on for a week showing how incorrect that statement is.

actually a global flood is very improbable. there isn't enough water on earths surface, including polar icecaps, to flood the entire earth.
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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9/15/2013 3:48:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 3:41:07 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:16:37 PM, AeneasPhebe wrote:
At 9/15/2013 12:14:51 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.

Considering there is a great deal of archaeological and geological evidence for regional flooding, and a great deal against global flooding I think can eliminate the latter for the time being. That is of course if you value evidence.

I can literally go on for a week showing how incorrect that statement is.

actually a global flood is very improbable. there isn't enough water on earths surface, including polar icecaps, to flood the entire earth.

Why does the water have to be solely on the earths surface?
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9/15/2013 3:52:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 3:48:48 PM, AeneasPhebe wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:41:07 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:16:37 PM, AeneasPhebe wrote:
At 9/15/2013 12:14:51 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.

Considering there is a great deal of archaeological and geological evidence for regional flooding, and a great deal against global flooding I think can eliminate the latter for the time being. That is of course if you value evidence.

I can literally go on for a week showing how incorrect that statement is.

actually a global flood is very improbable. there isn't enough water on earths surface, including polar icecaps, to flood the entire earth.

Why does the water have to be solely on the earths surface?

that reasoning because if all the water from the atmosphere came down, noah would've been killed by uv radiation in 20-30 days. also a very drastic geological event would have to occur to unearth most if not all of the groundwater which would also probably kill noah.
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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9/15/2013 4:48:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 9:41:17 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:11:44 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:08:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.
And that might explain all those flood myths?

It would be a reasonable conclusion, if you assume the God of the Bible and that the Bible is true.
Well it may be reasonable if all those other people with flood myths didn't die in your flood myth. Ya see if they died in your flood myth then there would be no-one to recount their flood myth. Woops.

That doesn't even make sense. If everyone died in the flood, then those that are around today would...have to be descendants of the survivors...?
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9/15/2013 4:58:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 3:52:12 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:48:48 PM, AeneasPhebe wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:41:07 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:16:37 PM, AeneasPhebe wrote:
At 9/15/2013 12:14:51 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.

Considering there is a great deal of archaeological and geological evidence for regional flooding, and a great deal against global flooding I think can eliminate the latter for the time being. That is of course if you value evidence.

I can literally go on for a week showing how incorrect that statement is.

actually a global flood is very improbable. there isn't enough water on earths surface, including polar icecaps, to flood the entire earth.

Why does the water have to be solely on the earths surface?

that reasoning because if all the water from the atmosphere came down, noah would've been killed by uv radiation in 20-30 days. also a very drastic geological event would have to occur to unearth most if not all of the groundwater which would also probably kill noah.

The Bible describes a canopy of water over the earth from creation, a very humid environment where there was no rain. It also says the earth broke up during and after the flood. (Genesis 10:25) Interestingly enough, the rainbow never appeared until after the flood, it not being possible until the canopy was gone.

Flood Myth Statistics:

Legends have been reported from nations such as China, Babylon, Mexico, Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Persia, India, Norway, Wales, Ireland, Indonesia, Romania, etc."composing a list that could go on for many pages (see Perloff, 1999, p. 167). Although the vast number of such legends is surprising, the similarity between much of their content is equally amazing. James Perloff noted:

In 95 percent of the more than two hundred flood legends, the flood was worldwide; in 88 percent, a certain family was favored; in 70 percent, survival was by means of a boat; in 67 percent, animals were also saved; in 66 percent, the flood was due to the wickedness of man; in 66 percent, the survivors had been forewarned; in 57 percent, they ended up on a mountain; in 35 percent, birds were sent out from the boat; and in 9 percent, exactly eight people were spared (p. 168).
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9/15/2013 5:02:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 3:16:37 PM, AeneasPhebe wrote:
At 9/15/2013 12:14:51 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.

Considering there is a great deal of archaeological and geological evidence for regional flooding, and a great deal against global flooding I think can eliminate the latter for the time being. That is of course if you value evidence.

I can literally go on for a week showing how incorrect that statement is.

Here's a suggestion. Show us your 2 or 3 most convincing pieces of evidence, and then we all can make that determination. Personally, I think you're blowing a lot of hot air, but I am willing to be proven wrong if you think you are up to it.
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9/15/2013 5:05:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 4:58:47 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:52:12 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:48:48 PM, AeneasPhebe wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:41:07 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/15/2013 3:16:37 PM, AeneasPhebe wrote:
At 9/15/2013 12:14:51 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/15/2013 8:06:22 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/14/2013 7:19:53 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/14/2013 6:37:33 PM, Naysayer wrote:

You could float an aircraft carrier through the holes in our historical record. Just because we have an ancient civilization with one narrative of the flood doesn't mean it's the original or most accurate or the source.

Some historians have suggested that the great melting of the last ice age, may account for why flood myths are so ubiquitous within the human cultural fabric.

And some historians suggest that it was due to a flood in the Black Sea area that was local yet so catastrophic to those people that word spread.

Or it could be as the Bible said, a world-wide flood due to the wickedness of man and the judgment of God.

Considering there is a great deal of archaeological and geological evidence for regional flooding, and a great deal against global flooding I think can eliminate the latter for the time being. That is of course if you value evidence.

I can literally go on for a week showing how incorrect that statement is.

actually a global flood is very improbable. there isn't enough water on earths surface, including polar icecaps, to flood the entire earth.

Why does the water have to be solely on the earths surface?

that reasoning because if all the water from the atmosphere came down, noah would've been killed by uv radiation in 20-30 days. also a very drastic geological event would have to occur to unearth most if not all of the groundwater which would also probably kill noah.

The Bible describes a canopy of water over the earth from creation, a very humid environment where there was no rain. It also says the earth broke up during and after the flood. (Genesis 10:25) Interestingly enough, the rainbow never appeared until after the flood, it not being possible until the canopy was gone.

Flood Myth Statistics:

Legends have been reported from nations such as China, Babylon, Mexico, Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Persia, India, Norway, Wales, Ireland, Indonesia, Romania, etc."composing a list that could go on for many pages (see Perloff, 1999, p. 167). Although the vast number of such legends is surprising, the similarity between much of their content is equally amazing. James Perloff noted:

In 95 percent of the more than two hundred flood legends, the flood was worldwide; in 88 percent, a certain family was favored; in 70 percent, survival was by means of a boat; in 67 percent, animals were also saved; in 66 percent, the flood was due to the wickedness of man; in 66 percent, the survivors had been forewarned; in 57 percent, they ended up on a mountain; in 35 percent, birds were sent out from the boat; and in 9 percent, exactly eight people were spared (p. 168).

you're missing the point. the water in our atmosphere protects earths surface from most of the suns harmful radiation. if there was no water that radiation would come down half force, and at that time people weren't really healthy in the first place. the uv radiation would easily kill them. also most groundwater is ejected in large amounts during volcanic eruptions. every volcano in the world would have to erupt to get a significant amount of the groundwater out. there isn't much that can survive a volcanic eruption.
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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9/15/2013 5:09:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/15/2013 4:58:47 PM, Naysayer wrote:

The Bible describes a canopy of water over the earth from creation, a very humid environment where there was no rain. It also says the earth broke up during and after the flood. (Genesis 10:25) Interestingly enough, the rainbow never appeared until after the flood, it not being possible until the canopy was gone.

Flood Myth Statistics:

Legends have been reported from nations such as China, Babylon, Mexico, Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Persia, India, Norway, Wales, Ireland, Indonesia, Romania, etc."composing a list that could go on for many pages (see Perloff, 1999, p. 167). Although the vast number of such legends is surprising, the similarity between much of their content is equally amazing. James Perloff noted:

In 95 percent of the more than two hundred flood legends, the flood was worldwide; in 88 percent, a certain family was favored; in 70 percent, survival was by means of a boat; in 67 percent, animals were also saved; in 66 percent, the flood was due to the wickedness of man; in 66 percent, the survivors had been forewarned; in 57 percent, they ended up on a mountain; in 35 percent, birds were sent out from the boat; and in 9 percent, exactly eight people were spared (p. 168).

Unless you want to be permanently known as the guy who plagiarizes other people's work and passes it off as his own, I suggest you cite the source that you copied and pasted this from.

http://creationrevolution.com...
http://www.apologeticspress.org...