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9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......

But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.

WTF
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9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.
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9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.
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9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
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9/23/2013 6:40:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Well, I find comparative religion very interesting, even if I do not take part in it myself. If it were not for people believing in it, the bible would be one of the most interesting religious texts ever written with its many contrasting authors, allegories, metaphors and poetic verses. The bible is truly a testament to the imagination and artistry of man.

Perhaps this co-worker was a cultural muslim, as in, someone who celebrates the holidays mostly because of their family, and does observe some customs out of habit from childhood, but doesn't believe in the religion part. I suppose it makes more sense for Jews to have this relationship, because of the lack of conversion done, most people who can trace being Jewish back, I think it's like 6 generations, (like me) is most likely Jewish since the fall of the Judaic kingdom. So it is somewhat unusual to hear this from a Muslim, it is not a phenomenon.

I mean, I'm just Jewish for the bagels, not Yahweh.
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9/23/2013 10:21:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Or maybe it's that discussions of religious matters, even the religious position of "no religion", were best suited for the "religion" section.
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9/23/2013 11:08:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 10:21:48 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Or maybe it's that discussions of religious matters, even the religious position of "no religion", were best suited for the "religion" section.

Funny thing is those discussions of "no religion" generally have a hefty smearing of scorn on them. Seems like something that could just be left off for such an innocuous purpose.
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9/23/2013 11:11:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 11:08:12 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 10:21:48 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Or maybe it's that discussions of religious matters, even the religious position of "no religion", were best suited for the "religion" section.

Funny thing is those discussions of "no religion" generally have a hefty smearing of scorn on them. Seems like something that could just be left off for such an innocuous purpose.

Funny thing is that those who complain about the scorn of others rarely notice when their own side is being equally "scornful". Seems like something that could just be left off for such a noble purpose.
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9/23/2013 11:40:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

It's not that ridiculous. Some people identify with a religious group for cultural reasons.
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9/24/2013 1:18:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 11:11:07 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 11:08:12 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 10:21:48 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Or maybe it's that discussions of religious matters, even the religious position of "no religion", were best suited for the "religion" section.

Funny thing is those discussions of "no religion" generally have a hefty smearing of scorn on them. Seems like something that could just be left off for such an innocuous purpose.

Funny thing is that those who complain about the scorn of others rarely notice when their own side is being equally "scornful". Seems like something that could just be left off for such a noble purpose.

There's a significant difference between heated debate and generating post after post for the sake of mocking someone's religions beliefs.
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9/24/2013 3:35:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Islam isn't a culture, it has 5 pillars , the first being to testify there is no god (worthy of worship) except God and that Mohamed is the messenger of God. so your friend clearly doesn't know the difference between his culture (Arab or Asian or whatever) and the religion of Islam. The one who doesn't believe in God can't be a Muslim, can't inherit from Muslims nor Muslims can inherit from him, even the one who believes in God yet disbelieves in Mohamed as a Prophet, isn't a Muslim.

So your colleague is confused..
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9/24/2013 2:08:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Many people who identify as a Christian are "traditionalists". They celebrate Christmans, Easter, have Christian parents, believe in the moral teachings of The Bible, and call themselves Christians....While not believing in any of the actual supernatural aspects of The Bible. I'm sure the same thing goes for Islam...
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9/24/2013 5:51:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

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9/24/2013 8:12:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/24/2013 1:18:18 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 11:11:07 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 11:08:12 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 10:21:48 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Or maybe it's that discussions of religious matters, even the religious position of "no religion", were best suited for the "religion" section.

Funny thing is those discussions of "no religion" generally have a hefty smearing of scorn on them. Seems like something that could just be left off for such an innocuous purpose.

Funny thing is that those who complain about the scorn of others rarely notice when their own side is being equally "scornful". Seems like something that could just be left off for such a noble purpose.

There's a significant difference between heated debate and generating post after post for the sake of mocking someone's religions beliefs.

There is indeed! But no one side has monopoly on that, now, don't you agree?
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9/24/2013 9:17:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

I can't speak for anyone else but my interest in debating a topic is directly proportional to how many people believe in the truth of that topic. I imagine if there were more flat-earthers, and holocaust deniers dotting internet forums It would invoke great glee in me debating those folks as well, alas they are few in number.
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9/24/2013 9:19:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/24/2013 9:17:42 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

I can't speak for anyone else but my interest in debating a topic is directly proportional to how many people believe in the truth of that topic. I imagine if there were more flat-earthers, and holocaust deniers dotting internet forums It would invoke great glee in me debating those folks as well, alas they are few in number.

Not to imply that theism is on par with holocaust denial, or flat-earthism.
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9/24/2013 9:46:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/24/2013 8:12:19 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/24/2013 1:18:18 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 11:11:07 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 11:08:12 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 10:21:48 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Or maybe it's that discussions of religious matters, even the religious position of "no religion", were best suited for the "religion" section.

Funny thing is those discussions of "no religion" generally have a hefty smearing of scorn on them. Seems like something that could just be left off for such an innocuous purpose.

Funny thing is that those who complain about the scorn of others rarely notice when their own side is being equally "scornful". Seems like something that could just be left off for such a noble purpose.

There's a significant difference between heated debate and generating post after post for the sake of mocking someone's religions beliefs.

There is indeed! But no one side has monopoly on that, now, don't you agree?

Of course. Do you think I condone such behaviour?
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9/24/2013 10:58:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/24/2013 9:46:26 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/24/2013 8:12:19 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/24/2013 1:18:18 AM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 11:11:07 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 11:08:12 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 10:21:48 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:51:21 PM, Naysayer wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:36:44 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 9/23/2013 1:03:37 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 9/23/2013 12:38:33 PM, johnlubba wrote:
I just asked a work colleague if he believed in God and he responded with a resounding "No", and further declared God does not exist.......


But here is the cruncher,

The man still identifies himself as a Muslim. and calls himself a Muslim.


WTF

I know that some atheists claim to be "cultural Jews", perhaps a similar situation is occurring here.

I've heard of believing in God but not religion, but this is the first time I have come across somebody who doesn't believe in God but believes in religion.

I don't know. I know about this group of guys that claims to not believe anything, yet were obsessed with going on religious forums to discuss religion continuously.

It's like that law was written on their hearts and they couldn't scrub it off, no matter how hard they tried.

Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Or maybe it's that discussions of religious matters, even the religious position of "no religion", were best suited for the "religion" section.

Funny thing is those discussions of "no religion" generally have a hefty smearing of scorn on them. Seems like something that could just be left off for such an innocuous purpose.

Funny thing is that those who complain about the scorn of others rarely notice when their own side is being equally "scornful". Seems like something that could just be left off for such a noble purpose.

There's a significant difference between heated debate and generating post after post for the sake of mocking someone's religions beliefs.

There is indeed! But no one side has monopoly on that, now, don't you agree?

Of course. Do you think I condone such behaviour?

Well, you're the one who posted the snide, one-sided, and unsupported comment in the first place that didn't actually relate to what you then complained about re: behavior.
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9/25/2013 5:05:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/24/2013 2:08:17 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Many people who identify as a Christian are "traditionalists". They celebrate Christmans, Easter, have Christian parents, believe in the moral teachings of The Bible, and call themselves Christians....While not believing in any of the actual supernatural aspects of The Bible. I'm sure the same thing goes for Islam...

Well put.