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Graincruncher
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10/8/2013 7:06:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The ones that I find most persuasive are the ones most commonly used by theists as evidence for god.
Rational_Thinker9119
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10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....
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10/8/2013 11:10:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....

Can one accept infinities to exist but still deny infinite regresses? I'm not sure.
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10/8/2013 11:11:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 9:07:50 AM, MassiveDump wrote:
If God is real then how did they come up with Jurassic Park?

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If God isn't real then who wrote the Bible?

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10/8/2013 11:28:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 11:11:12 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 10/8/2013 9:07:50 AM, MassiveDump wrote:
If God is real then how did they come up with Jurassic Park?

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If God isn't real then who wrote the Bible?

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If God doesn't exist, then why does my stove get hot as "hell" when I set it to 666?

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Fruitytree
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10/8/2013 12:00:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....

if time is finite, how did time start?
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10/8/2013 12:13:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 12:00:08 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....

if time is finite, how did time start?

If space is finite, what does it exist inside of?
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10/8/2013 12:23:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 12:13:31 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:00:08 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....

if time is finite, how did time start?

If space is finite, what does it exist inside of?

I happen to believe space and time are infinite and time is one of the attributes of God.
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10/8/2013 12:25:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 12:21:49 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
If God exists, then God would exist

But since God doesn't exist, God doesn't exist.


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There is a fish in the Ocean with a pattern that reads "Jesus" on it..

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10/8/2013 12:30:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Everyone is still murdering, raping, oppressing or just pointlessly bickering over idiotic questions:

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drafterman
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10/8/2013 12:32:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 12:23:45 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:13:31 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:00:08 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....

if time is finite, how did time start?

If space is finite, what does it exist inside of?

I happen to believe space and time are infinite and time is one of the attributes of God.

Actually, it's been proved that space and time can't be infinite:

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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10/8/2013 12:38:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 12:00:08 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....

if time is finite, how did time start?

Perhaps there was no "how"?
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10/8/2013 12:38:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 12:30:50 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
Everyone is still murdering, raping, oppressing or just pointlessly bickering over idiotic questions:

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Why do you consider these things as evil ?l!!
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10/8/2013 12:54:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 12:38:33 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:30:50 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
Everyone is still murdering, raping, oppressing or just pointlessly bickering over idiotic questions:

The human race: 0

Why do you consider these things as evil ?l!!

rape and murder are not evil? Strange, most people would say the opposite.
Turn around, go back.
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10/8/2013 1:08:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....

Are you saying that God's conciousness undergo change? Isn't that against the mainstream concept of God we are talking about?

If God is real, then how come vampires aren't harmed by coming in contact with a cross anymore?

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10/8/2013 1:11:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 1:08:52 PM, Dragonfang wrote:
Are you saying that God's consciousness undergo change? Isn't that against the mainstream concept of God we are talking about?
If God is real, then how come vampires aren't harmed by coming in contact with a cross anymore?

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If the pledge says "UNDER GOD" and the universe is infinite, how come babies aren't born monkeys? BOOM!

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10/8/2013 1:22:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 12:54:51 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:38:33 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:30:50 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
Everyone is still murdering, raping, oppressing or just pointlessly bickering over idiotic questions:

The human race: 0

Why do you consider these things as evil ?l!!

rape and murder are not evil? Strange, most people would say the opposite.

The only one who should care of evil and good is God.

if there is no God, there is no reason to consider anything as good or evil, that would be an emotional bias..
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10/8/2013 1:25:36 PM
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If Atheists don't believe in God, then how can they spend money that has "In God we Trust" on it?

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Fruitytree
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10/8/2013 1:29:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 12:32:25 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:23:45 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:13:31 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:00:08 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....

if time is finite, how did time start?

If space is finite, what does it exist inside of?

I happen to believe space and time are infinite and time is one of the attributes of God.

Actually, it's been proved that space and time can't be infinite:

http://en.wikipedia.org...

!!! not speaking about the time and space occupied by our universe draft, I'm speaking about Time, and Space regardless ! I don't believe the universe is infinite, but that time and space are..
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10/8/2013 1:32:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 1:22:06 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:54:51 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:38:33 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:30:50 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
Everyone is still murdering, raping, oppressing or just pointlessly bickering over idiotic questions:

The human race: 0

Why do you consider these things as evil ?l!!

rape and murder are not evil? Strange, most people would say the opposite.

The only one who should care of evil and good is God.

if there is no God, there is no reason to consider anything as good or evil, that would be an emotional bias..

So humans should do nothing at all to prevent rape or murder, just leave it up to God, quite amusing as he must be having the millennia off.
Turn around, go back.
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10/8/2013 1:38:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 1:29:39 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:32:25 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:23:45 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:13:31 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/8/2013 12:00:08 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God caused the universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause of the time cannot exist....

if time is finite, how did time start?

If space is finite, what does it exist inside of?

I happen to believe space and time are infinite and time is one of the attributes of God.

Actually, it's been proved that space and time can't be infinite:

http://en.wikipedia.org...

!!! not speaking about the time and space occupied by our universe draft, I'm speaking about Time, and Space regardless ! I don't believe the universe is infinite, but that time and space are..

...

"The universe is the whole of all matter, energy, planets, galaxies and space."
http://en.wikipedia.org...
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10/8/2013 1:39:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 1:32:54 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote: : : At 10/8/2013 1:22:06 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : At 10/8/2013 12:54:51 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote: : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:38:33 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:30:50 PM, Graincruncher wrote: : : : : : Everyone is still murdering, raping, oppressing or just pointlessly bickering over idiotic questions: : : : : : : : : : :The human race: 0 : : : : : : : : Why do you considerthese things as evil ?l!! : : : : : : rape and murder are not evil? Strange, most people would saythe opposite. : : : :The only one who should care of evil and good is God. : : : : ifthere is no God,there is no reason to consider anything as good or evil, that would be an emotional bias.. : : So humans should do nothing at all to prevent rape or murder, just leave it up to God, quite amusing as he must be havingthe millennia off.

You don't understand me Stranger, I'm telling you, how do you explain judging that rape is evil, if at the same time you don't believe in God , I'm not saying we got to leave it to god.

I just don't understand how can you see it as evil.
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10/8/2013 1:41:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 1:39:36 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 1:32:54 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote: : : At 10/8/2013 1:22:06 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : At 10/8/2013 12:54:51 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote: : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:38:33 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:30:50 PM, Graincruncher wrote: : : : : : Everyone is still murdering, raping, oppressing or just pointlessly bickering over idiotic questions: : : : : : : : : : :The human race: 0 : : : : : : : : Why do you considerthese things as evil ?l!! : : : : : : rape and murder are not evil? Strange, most people would saythe opposite. : : : :The only one who should care of evil and good is God. : : : : ifthere is no God,there is no reason to consider anything as good or evil, that would be an emotional bias.. : : So humans should do nothing at all to prevent rape or murder, just leave it up to God, quite amusing as he must be havingthe millennia off.

You don't understand me Stranger, I'm telling you, how do you explain judging that rape is evil, if at the same time you don't believe in God , I'm not saying we got to leave it to god.

I just don't understand how can you see it as evil.

I don't really describe anything as evil, I mostly just put in under "slightly abnormal human behaviour" But most people would call a crime like rape evil, religious or not.
Turn around, go back.
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10/8/2013 1:43:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 1:38:00 PM, drafterman wrote: : : At 10/8/2013 1:29:39 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : At 10/8/2013 12:32:25 PM, drafterman wrote: : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:23:45 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:13:31 PM, drafterman wrote: : : : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:00:08 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : : : : : At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote: : : : : : : :The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God causedthe universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause ofthe time cannot exist.... : : : : : : : : : : : : if time is finite, how did time start? : : : : : : : : : : If space is finite, what does it exist inside of? : : : : : : : : I happen to believe space and time are infinite and time is one ofthe attributes of God. : : : : : : Actually, it's been proved that space and time can't be infinite: : : : : : : http://en.wikipedia.org... : : : : !!! not speaking aboutthe time and space occupied by our universe draft, I'm speaking about Time, and Space regardless ! I don't believethe universe is infinite, but that time and space are.. : : ... : : "The universe isthe whole of all matter, energy, planets, galaxies and space." : http://en.wikipedia.org...

I tell you a secret , they mean all KNOWN matter energy and space ;)
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10/8/2013 1:44:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 1:43:21 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 10/8/2013 1:38:00 PM, drafterman wrote: : : At 10/8/2013 1:29:39 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : At 10/8/2013 12:32:25 PM, drafterman wrote: : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:23:45 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:13:31 PM, drafterman wrote: : : : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:00:08 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : : : : : At 10/8/2013 10:26:24 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote: : : : : : : :The past has to be finite, as an infinite past is impossible (it leads to an infinite regress of past events). This means, that God cannot be eternal within time or else that would mean time was eternal. If God causedthe universe, he must have been an atemporal cause. However, If God exists, he is also intelligent...But intelligence is information processing; processing requires time. Thus, an intelligent cause ofthe time cannot exist.... : : : : : : : : : : : : if time is finite, how did time start? : : : : : : : : : : If space is finite, what does it exist inside of? : : : : : : : : I happen to believe space and time are infinite and time is one ofthe attributes of God. : : : : : : Actually, it's been proved that space and time can't be infinite: : : : : : : http://en.wikipedia.org... : : : : !!! not speaking aboutthe time and space occupied by our universe draft, I'm speaking about Time, and Space regardless ! I don't believethe universe is infinite, but that time and space are.. : : ... : : "The universe isthe whole of all matter, energy, planets, galaxies and space." : http://en.wikipedia.org...

I tell you a secret , they mean all KNOWN matter energy and space ;)

The paradox I presented is not limited to that definition. It applies to all space-time.
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10/8/2013 1:45:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/8/2013 1:41:22 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote: : : At 10/8/2013 1:39:36 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : At 10/8/2013 1:32:54 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote: : : At 10/8/2013 1:22:06 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : At 10/8/2013 12:54:51 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote: : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:38:33 PM, Fruitytree wrote: : : : : : At 10/8/2013 12:30:50 PM, Graincruncher wrote: : : : : : Everyone is still murdering, raping, oppressing or just pointlessly bickering over idiotic questions: : : : : : : : : : :The human race: 0 : : : : : : : : Why do you considerthese things as evil ?l!! : : : : : : rape and murder are not evil? Strange, most people would saythe opposite. : : : :The only one who should care of evil and good is God. : : : : ifthere is no God,there is no reason to consider anything as good or evil, that would be an emotional bias.. : : So humans should do nothing at all to prevent rape or murder, just leave it up to God, quite amusing as he must be havingthe millennia off. : : : : You don't understand me Stranger, I'm telling you, how do you explain judging that rape is evil, if atthe same time you don't believe in God , I'm not saying we got to leave it to god. : : : : I just don't understand how can you see it as evil. : : I don't really describe anything as evil, I mostly just put in under "slightly abnormal human behaviour" But most people would call a crime like rape evil, religious or not.

Well a strong atheist shouldn't care, and humanity 's fate wouldn't matter. but of course not every person that's an atheist think twice about their biased opinions.