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The Modal Ontological Argument

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11/17/2013 11:57:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think that Magic's argument against the MOA is an extremely good one. It almost seems too good... Can anyone refute this refutation of the MOA?

If one says:

"It is possible that a maximally great being exists"

That assumes that there exists a standard of greatness, by which we measure greatness. Or else the premise might as well say:

"It is possible that a maximally jdfhug being exists"

Since the first premise assumes that there exists a standard of greatness, a dilemma arises. Either:

(i) The standard the theist assumes exists is not God

(ii) The standard the theist assumes exists is God

If they assume (i) then they disconfirm the existence of a maximally great being. Why? This is because if a maximally great being exists, then he would be the standard of greatness. So, if a maximally great being isn't the standard the theist assumes exists; a maximally great being does not exist.

If they assume (ii) (which they have to), then the first premise of the MOA assumes the conclusion.

Since the theist has to assume God exists already (to be the standard of greatness) for the term "it is possible for a maximally great being" to mean anything; the MOA begs the question.

Conclusion


The first premise assumes a standard of greatness exists, and that standard has to be God if Theism is true. Thus, the theist has to assume God's existence given the first premise. This is clearly circular. What do you think?
Mikal
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11/18/2013 1:27:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/18/2013 1:27:08 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 11/18/2013 1:26:42 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 11/18/2013 1:24:47 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Bump
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11/18/2013 1:27:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/18/2013 1:27:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 11/18/2013 1:27:08 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 11/18/2013 1:26:42 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 11/18/2013 1:24:47 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Bump
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11/18/2013 1:27:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/18/2013 1:27:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 11/18/2013 1:27:08 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 11/18/2013 1:26:42 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 11/18/2013 1:24:47 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Bump