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11/20/2013 11:04:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Allah(god) is in posession of all the beautiful and noble names. The number of these names of god is infinite. Among that infinite names, Allah lets us know the 99 of them. These names are called 'Esma ul husna'; that means 'The names of the beautiful'. Everything in the universe(everything Allah has ever created) are actually extensions of one or several of these names. Among the 'created ones' human is the most superior and honorable one. that is because 'human' bears all the names of Allah, not just one or several. But the difference is that, these names are 'ultimate and infinite' in Allah, and 'limited' in humans. For example: one of the names of Allah is 'The Shafii'. That means 'The one who gives a cure and healing. Allah is the ultimate and infinite cure giver. But a doctor is also 'shafii' and a cure giver, but the doctor is limited in his cure giving ability. So the name 'Shafii' is limited in doctor, unlike Allah.

As for the concept of evil and hell:

Because the universe and everything Allah has ever created are actually extensions of Allah's names, there is nothing as 'evil' in truth. Because among Allah's names, there is no 'evil'. So the concept of evil as we know is actually 'absence' All the evil things we know comes from 'not doing something' or 'not being something' Evil things do not have a hand in creation and construction of universe. Actually, evil is about destroying
or corrupting...

Among Allah's names, there is 'Adl'. That means 'The Just'. Humans are entrusted with a very great mission on earth, by Allah. That mission is to represent Allah on Earth, among other creations of Allah. İf some human defile that mission and bring bad things upon creations of Allah,that must bring some punishment. 'Adl(the just)' name of Allah requires this punishment. Because of the enormity of importance of his mission on earth as a represantative of Allah, defiling that mission can cause big consequences.
For example: lets think a ruler entrusted his ships to a man. His duty is to protect the ships from fire. İf he defile his mission and simply go to sleep, ships may burn and the entire fleet may turn to ashes. Just by sleeping, a very big consequence has been brought. That is because the importance of the mission of man. And The ruler is right to punish this man beacause of his sleeping, the act was simple but intent of evil and consequence was bigger than the act. That is identical to humans, their missions and their reward and punishment. Being just requires that.

Moreover, Allah says in The Quran, repeatedly, that his grace and forgiveness has surpassed his wrath. So Allah intents to create ways for us to come back to him with a love of him in our hearts. Allah is not trying to punish us. Allah wants all of us to rise up and fullfill our potentials.

Also the life of heaven and life of hell actually begins while we are still living this life of earth. Because all the good feelings that we have are actually a little example or a litle model of the grace, joy and beauty that we have in heaven. And, all the bad feelings we have are examples of the life of hell...Because the biggest punishment is being in oblivion, to be restricted from the joy of being near to our creator and his loved ones . Once we see the real beauty and grace of Allah in the afterlife, there will not be a single person who feel not regretful. The real heaven is being with Allah and his loved servants forever, not some gardens or rivers(of course there are still gardens and rivers etc...)

Just like existence of the fire is not evil, but using the fire for bad things causes the 'evil' and using the fire for good things causes 'good'; concept of 'evil' in our lifes does not mean God is imperfect. That means we are imperfect because we use things that exists for evil and run from our duties and defile our misiions as God's representatives on earth...

There is no contradicition between hell and infinite mercy, true justice, and wisdom wirth its balance and absence of waste. Indeed mercy justice and wisdom requires hell's existence. Because the ones who defile other's rights must be punished. And a disbeliever would transgress the rights of The Names of Allah, denies all the creations' testimony to these divine names and violates their rights, denies these creations' very high and important appointments and commitments to these names and defile their rights, and denies that these cretions being the mirrors and manifestations of these names and deny the very purpose of the creation of universe(everything). Because Allah lets us know that one of the purposes of the creation of everything by Allah is this: Allah wants to watch and witness himself from his servants' and creatures' eyes... ( Of course Allah knows it better, i am just speaking by the knowledge given to me, which is little) This is why humans are very precious, because humans can witness Allah's glory and beauty and power on a highest level, higher than even the angels... And by disbelieving, these functions goes to waste, and so is a crime against purpose of creation...and also against the rights of other creations(like animals or inanimate objects etc...) and their purpose.

Of course, a person will be held responsible for believing or disbelieving if he/she has been given warnings and information of mind and heart...
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11/20/2013 11:08:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/20/2013 11:04:36 PM, guen wrote:
Of course, a person will be held responsible for believing or disbelieving if he/she has been given warnings and information of mind and heart...

I'm curious... What do Muslims think of salvation for non-Muslims, say for example, Christians? I know some Christians believe one can be "linked to Christ" or whatever, even if you're not formally a Christian. Like if you never really realize that God exists, but you live your life as morally as possible, you're "Christian" even though you're not. Is there anything like that in Islam?
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11/21/2013 12:25:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
a person is responsible for believing in 6 things:
1-Allah is one
2-Allah's prophets(all of them including moses, jesus, and muhammad(peace be upon them)
3- All the books that Allah has ever send via his prophets( torah,bible,quran etc...)(but we believe that message of bible and torah has been changed and corrupted but there are still fragments of truth in them)
4-Destiny
5-Angels
6-Day of judgement
A person is responsible for believing these in his life. Like i said in the first post, a person will be held responsible for believing or disbelieving only if he is given warning and information. İf he is given enough but still not believe in these, that would mean he deserve punishment. Of course, only Allah knows who will end up where, in the end

Also i got to say, most christians believe that islam is a entirely disintct or demonic religion. It is not that way. Actually Islam is the only religion that Allah send since Adam and Eve.All the prophets including Jesus was muslims. The word 'Islam' means several meanings in Arabic language; like 'Peace',
'Submission' and 'Salutation'. So being muslim means all of these: submission to god, being in the peace... These are messages of all prophets. Core of islam stayed the same since Adam to Muhammad. It is just like that example:
Say that i have glasses to see better. The glasses have two parts: the glass(lens) and the earpiece. The part that actually makes me see better is the lens, as long as the lens part stayed same, i can change the earpiece a thousand times but the glasses would still work. Just like that, messages of prophets from Adam to Muhammad stayed the same in core but differed in some details. But i got to say: That does not mean christianity is enough for salvation. It is not, because today's christianity is not the actual message of Jesus, So one must be muslim today for salvation because God sent another prophet and renewed his message, and this prophet is Muhammad(peace be upon him)...
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11/21/2013 12:45:13 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 12:25:39 AM, guen wrote:
a person is responsible for believing in 6 things:
1-Allah is one
2-Allah's prophets(all of them including moses, jesus, and muhammad(peace be upon them)
3- All the books that Allah has ever send via his prophets( torah,bible,quran etc...)(but we believe that message of bible and torah has been changed and corrupted but there are still fragments of truth in them)
4-Destiny
5-Angels
6-Day of judgement
A person is responsible for believing these in his life. Like i said in the first post, a person will be held responsible for believing or disbelieving only if he is given warning and information. İf he is given enough but still not believe in these, that would mean he deserve punishment. Of course, only Allah knows who will end up where, in the end
Ans Allah has known that since before creation, so why are you here? Can you change what Allah already knows?
Also i got to say, most christians believe that islam is a entirely disintct or demonic religion. It is not that way. Actually Islam is the only religion that Allah send since Adam and Eve.All the prophets including Jesus was muslims. The word 'Islam' means several meanings in Arabic language; like 'Peace',
Muslims did not exist until the AD600's, nobody except muslims believe that propaganda. Show what Adam preached!
'Submission' and 'Salutation'. So being muslim means all of these: submission to god, being in the peace... These are messages of all prophets. Core of islam stayed the same since Adam to Muhammad. It is just like that example:
Islam didn't exist until AD600's see above
Say that i have glasses to see better. The glasses have two parts: the glass(lens) and the earpiece. The part that actually makes me see better is the lens, as long as the lens part stayed same, i can change the earpiece a thousand times but the glasses would still work. Just like that, messages of prophets from Adam to Muhammad stayed the same in core but differed in some details. But i got to say: That does not mean christianity is enough for salvation. It is not, because today's christianity is not the actual message of Jesus, So one must be muslim today for salvation because God sent another prophet and renewed his message, and this prophet is Muhammad(peace be upon him)...
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1/12/2014 9:01:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/20/2013 11:04:36 PM, guen wrote:


As for the concept of evil and hell:

Because the universe and everything Allah has ever created are actually extensions of Allah's names, there is nothing as 'evil' in truth. Because among Allah's names, there is no 'evil'. So the concept of evil as we know is actually 'absence' All the evil things we know comes from 'not doing something' or 'not being something' Evil things do not have a hand in creation and construction of universe. Actually, evil is about destroying
or corrupting...

I noticed that i used a wrong word, earlier... So i want to correct myself

Allah is the only creator. No one has the power of creating, except Allah. So both good and evil is created by Allah. But the point is that, creating evil is not an evil act, possessing the evil is the real evil act. Just like creation of fire. Fire can be used for evil acts but it can be also used for disinfecting something. Another example: Allah created The Devil and he did not stop the devil from being a rebel and an enemy of humanity. But, devil and his likeness, also serves a good purpose. They cause the spiritual raising of humans faster.

Both good and evil is from Allah. We muslims believe that.
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1/12/2014 9:05:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/20/2013 11:04:36 PM, guen wrote:
Allah(god) is in posession of all the beautiful and noble names. The number of these names of god is infinite. Among that infinite names, Allah lets us know the 99 of them. These names are called 'Esma ul husna'; that means 'The names of the beautiful'. Everything in the universe(everything Allah has ever created) are actually extensions of one or several of these names. Among the 'created ones' human is the most superior and honorable one. that is because 'human' bears all the names of Allah, not just one or several. But the difference is that, these names are 'ultimate and infinite' in Allah, and 'limited' in humans. For example: one of the names of Allah is 'The Shafii'. That means 'The one who gives a cure and healing. Allah is the ultimate and infinite cure giver. But a doctor is also 'shafii' and a cure giver, but the doctor is limited in his cure giving ability. So the name 'Shafii' is limited in doctor, unlike Allah.

As for the concept of evil and hell:

Because the universe and everything Allah has ever created are actually extensions of Allah's names, there is nothing as 'evil' in truth. Because among Allah's names, there is no 'evil'. So the concept of evil as we know is actually 'absence' All the evil things we know comes from 'not doing something' or 'not being something' Evil things do not have a hand in creation and construction of universe. Actually, evil is about destroying
or corrupting...

Among Allah's names, there is 'Adl'. That means 'The Just'. Humans are entrusted with a very great mission on earth, by Allah. That mission is to represent Allah on Earth, among other creations of Allah. İf some human defile that mission and bring bad things upon creations of Allah,that must bring some punishment. 'Adl(the just)' name of Allah requires this punishment. Because of the enormity of importance of his mission on earth as a represantative of Allah, defiling that mission can cause big consequences.
For example: lets think a ruler entrusted his ships to a man. His duty is to protect the ships from fire. İf he defile his mission and simply go to sleep, ships may burn and the entire fleet may turn to ashes. Just by sleeping, a very big consequence has been brought. That is because the importance of the mission of man. And The ruler is right to punish this man beacause of his sleeping, the act was simple but intent of evil and consequence was bigger than the act. That is identical to humans, their missions and their reward and punishment. Being just requires that.

Moreover, Allah says in The Quran, repeatedly, that his grace and forgiveness has surpassed his wrath. So Allah intents to create ways for us to come back to him with a love of him in our hearts. Allah is not trying to punish us. Allah wants all of us to rise up and fullfill our potentials.

Also the life of heaven and life of hell actually begins while we are still living this life of earth. Because all the good feelings that we have are actually a little example or a litle model of the grace, joy and beauty that we have in heaven. And, all the bad feelings we have are examples of the life of hell...Because the biggest punishment is being in oblivion, to be restricted from the joy of being near to our creator and his loved ones . Once we see the real beauty and grace of Allah in the afterlife, there will not be a single person who feel not regretful. The real heaven is being with Allah and his loved servants forever, not some gardens or rivers(of course there are still gardens and rivers etc...)

Just like existence of the fire is not evil, but using the fire for bad things causes the 'evil' and using the fire for good things causes 'good'; concept of 'evil' in our lifes does not mean God is imperfect. That means we are imperfect because we use things that exists for evil and run from our duties and defile our misiions as God's representatives on earth...

There is no contradicition between hell and infinite mercy, true justice, and wisdom wirth its balance and absence of waste. Indeed mercy justice and wisdom requires hell's existence. Because the ones who defile other's rights must be punished. And a disbeliever would transgress the rights of The Names of Allah, denies all the creations' testimony to these divine names and violates their rights, denies these creations' very high and important appointments and commitments to these names and defile their rights, and denies that these cretions being the mirrors and manifestations of these names and deny the very purpose of the creation of universe(everything). Because Allah lets us know that one of the purposes of the creation of everything by Allah is this: Allah wants to watch and witness himself from his servants' and creatures' eyes... ( Of course Allah knows it better, i am just speaking by the knowledge given to me, which is little) This is why humans are very precious, because humans can witness Allah's glory and beauty and power on a highest level, higher than even the angels... And by disbelieving, these functions goes to waste, and so is a crime against purpose of creation...and also against the rights of other creations(like animals or inanimate objects etc...) and their purpose.

Of course, a person will be held responsible for believing or disbelieving if he/she has been given warnings and information of mind and heart...
Did your god create EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS?????
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1/14/2014 11:12:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I have to repeat that, a person should be a muslim in today's world, for salvation. İ encourage everyone to read the Quran...
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1/14/2014 11:36:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/20/2013 11:04:36 PM, guen wrote:
Allah(god) is in posession of all the beautiful and noble names. The number of these names of god is infinite. Among that infinite names, Allah lets us know the 99 of them. These names are called 'Esma ul husna'; that means 'The names of the beautiful'. Everything in the universe(everything Allah has ever created) are actually extensions of one or several of these names. Among the 'created ones' human is the most superior and honorable one. that is because 'human' bears all the names of Allah, not just one or several. But the difference is that, these names are 'ultimate and infinite' in Allah, and 'limited' in humans. For example: one of the names of Allah is 'The Shafii'. That means 'The one who gives a cure and healing. Allah is the ultimate and infinite cure giver. But a doctor is also 'shafii' and a cure giver, but the doctor is limited in his cure giving ability. So the name 'Shafii' is limited in doctor, unlike Allah.

As for the concept of evil and hell:

Because the universe and everything Allah has ever created are actually extensions of Allah's names, there is nothing as 'evil' in truth. Because among Allah's names, there is no 'evil'. So the concept of evil as we know is actually 'absence' All the evil things we know comes from 'not doing something' or 'not being something' Evil things do not have a hand in creation and construction of universe. Actually, evil is about destroying
or corrupting...

Among Allah's names, there is 'Adl'. That means 'The Just'. Humans are entrusted with a very great mission on earth, by Allah. That mission is to represent Allah on Earth, among other creations of Allah. İf some human defile that mission and bring bad things upon creations of Allah,that must bring some punishment. 'Adl(the just)' name of Allah requires this punishment. Because of the enormity of importance of his mission on earth as a represantative of Allah, defiling that mission can cause big consequences.
For example: lets think a ruler entrusted his ships to a man. His duty is to protect the ships from fire. İf he defile his mission and simply go to sleep, ships may burn and the entire fleet may turn to ashes. Just by sleeping, a very big consequence has been brought. That is because the importance of the mission of man. And The ruler is right to punish this man beacause of his sleeping, the act was simple but intent of evil and consequence was bigger than the act. That is identical to humans, their missions and their reward and punishment. Being just requires that.

Moreover, Allah says in The Quran, repeatedly, that his grace and forgiveness has surpassed his wrath. So Allah intents to create ways for us to come back to him with a love of him in our hearts. Allah is not trying to punish us. Allah wants all of us to rise up and fullfill our potentials.

Also the life of heaven and life of hell actually begins while we are still living this life of earth. Because all the good feelings that we have are actually a little example or a litle model of the grace, joy and beauty that we have in heaven. And, all the bad feelings we have are examples of the life of hell...Because the biggest punishment is being in oblivion, to be restricted from the joy of being near to our creator and his loved ones . Once we see the real beauty and grace of Allah in the afterlife, there will not be a single person who feel not regretful. The real heaven is being with Allah and his loved servants forever, not some gardens or rivers(of course there are still gardens and rivers etc...)

Just like existence of the fire is not evil, but using the fire for bad things causes the 'evil' and using the fire for good things causes 'good'; concept of 'evil' in our lifes does not mean God is imperfect. That means we are imperfect because we use things that exists for evil and run from our duties and defile our misiions as God's representatives on earth...

There is no contradicition between hell and infinite mercy, true justice, and wisdom wirth its balance and absence of waste. Indeed mercy justice and wisdom requires hell's existence. Because the ones who defile other's rights must be punished. And a disbeliever would transgress the rights of The Names of Allah, denies all the creations' testimony to these divine names and violates their rights, denies these creations' very high and important appointments and commitments to these names and defile their rights, and denies that these cretions being the mirrors and manifestations of these names and deny the very purpose of the creation of universe(everything). Because Allah lets us know that one of the purposes of the creation of everything by Allah is this: Allah wants to watch and witness himself from his servants' and creatures' eyes... ( Of course Allah knows it better, i am just speaking by the knowledge given to me, which is little) This is why humans are very precious, because humans can witness Allah's glory and beauty and power on a highest level, higher than even the angels... And by disbelieving, these functions goes to waste, and so is a crime against purpose of creation...and also against the rights of other creations(like animals or inanimate objects etc...) and their purpose.

Of course, a person will be held responsible for believing or disbelieving if he/she has been given warnings and information of mind and heart...

Good and Evil are from the same tree called, "the knowledge of good and evil". So the word "good" is just as deceiving as the word "evil". An easy way to explain these two words is to have everyone in this world define each word. You will soon learn that there's no Truth in either of these words.
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2/7/2014 1:23:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Earllier i said that humans and other things carry the extensions of names of Allah. İ want to open up this a little. A human can carry the extension of a name(title) of Allah by:
1- contrast: for example humans have various and endless neeeds. So they carry the extension of Allah's names of Kadir(The Able, the Capable, the Omnipotent.) or Ghanee(The rich, the all sufficing, Self-Sufficient)
2-sense of 'self': for example a doctor who heals people carry the extension and manifestation of Shafii(the one who gives cure)
3- with the properties came to us: for example when we are given food we carry the extension of name Al-Mughnee(The One who satisfies the necessities of the creatures.) or when we die we carry the extension of name Al-Mumeet(The One who renders the living dead.)

Also i want to define shortly what shirk is. Shirk is not accepting that Allah is one and only one worthy of worship. Allah says in Quran, that he will not forgive shirk. For example, claiming that Jesus is god or son of god, is shirk...
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2/8/2014 7:57:43 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Today, we are living in the age of information. Everyone can reach every information in seconds. That means everyone have access to information about prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and İslam. So people have no right to say 'we never heard of Muhammad and Islam'. Every person should be a muslim for salvation, in islam faith. Also like i said, shirk will not be tolerated and forgiven. And according to islam faith, a person should accept Muhammad(pbuh) for salvation.
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2/8/2014 6:08:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/8/2014 7:57:43 AM, guen wrote:
Today, we are living in the age of information. Everyone can reach every information in seconds. That means everyone have access to information about prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and İslam. So people have no right to say 'we never heard of Muhammad and Islam'. Every person should be a muslim for salvation, in islam faith. Also like i said, shirk will not be tolerated and forgiven. And according to islam faith, a person should accept Muhammad(pbuh) for salvation.

As I understand it, Muslims don't believe in an eternal hell. Is that right?
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3/7/2014 2:27:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/8/2014 6:08:49 PM, JimDavis wrote:
At 2/8/2014 7:57:43 AM, guen wrote:
Today, we are living in the age of information. Everyone can reach every information in seconds. That means everyone have access to information about prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and İslam. So people have no right to say 'we never heard of Muhammad and Islam'. Every person should be a muslim for salvation, in islam faith. Also like i said, shirk will not be tolerated and forgiven. And according to islam faith, a person should accept Muhammad(pbuh) for salvation.

As I understand it, Muslims don't believe in an eternal hell. Is that right?

No, we believe in eternal hell. Non muslims will go to hell for eternity
Some muslims will also go to hell but not for eternity, they will be acepted into heaven after some time in hell

Earlier on this forum i said that if a person is warned, he should become a muslim. İ want to open this up.
A person should accept Muhammad(pbuh)'s prophethood and be a muslim to be accepted into heaven. Imam ı Gazali( a famous and acknowledged muslim scholar) said that, people who never heard of Prophet Muhammad's name can be accepted into heaven. He also said that people who heard only lies about Muhammad(pbuh) can also be hoped to be accepted into heaven( but he did not gave a definite statement about this second group of people who heard only lies, he said 'it can be hoped', not will be accepted)

That is why i said that 'if a person is warned'. İ already said that the age we are living is age of information and everyone has access to knowledge about islam, so i dont think that not having information is an excuse.
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3/7/2014 3:43:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/7/2014 2:27:45 PM, guen wrote:
At 2/8/2014 6:08:49 PM, JimDavis wrote:
At 2/8/2014 7:57:43 AM, guen wrote:
Today, we are living in the age of information. Everyone can reach every information in seconds. That means everyone have access to information about prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and İslam. So people have no right to say 'we never heard of Muhammad and Islam'. Every person should be a muslim for salvation, in islam faith. Also like i said, shirk will not be tolerated and forgiven. And according to islam faith, a person should accept Muhammad(pbuh) for salvation.

As I understand it, Muslims don't believe in an eternal hell. Is that right?

No, we believe in eternal hell. Non muslims will go to hell for eternity
Some muslims will also go to hell but not for eternity, they will be acepted into heaven after some time in hell

Earlier on this forum i said that if a person is warned, he should become a muslim. İ want to open this up.
A person should accept Muhammad(pbuh)'s prophethood and be a muslim to be accepted into heaven. Imam ı Gazali( a famous and acknowledged muslim scholar) said that, people who never heard of Prophet Muhammad's name can be accepted into heaven. He also said that people who heard only lies about Muhammad(pbuh) can also be hoped to be accepted into heaven( but he did not gave a definite statement about this second group of people who heard only lies, he said 'it can be hoped', not will be accepted)


That is why i said that 'if a person is warned'. İ already said that the age we are living is age of information and everyone has access to knowledge about islam, so i dont think that not having information is an excuse.

A correction: i translated 'ehl i necat' as being accepted to heaven. This can be a mistaken translation. Ehl i necat means people who are free of punishment in hell
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3/7/2014 11:26:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
i should also say that Imam ı Gazalı was talking about the roman people, christian people and turkish people who lives on faraway countries, in his time(1000 AC)

Also Allah says in quran that he will not forgive shirk(not accepting that Allah is the only god and only one worthy of worship)
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3/8/2014 4:31:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Another addition: there are also some muslim scholars that said; even if a person do not know any prophet in his lifetime, he is still obliged to understand and know that he has a creator and that creator is one. That, the mind given to humans are capable to understand that at least...
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3/12/2014 9:51:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
İ want to say somethings about heart, mind and being a muslim.
Muslim is a person who say this with his tongue and his heart: I bare witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger(Resul). So a person can not be a muslim and find salvation without accepting Muhammad(pbuh). This sentence is called The word of shadah(witnessing). There is a reason for that:

There are two sophisticated mechanism in humans. there are called mind and heart. Mind works with the mechanism of similiarities. For example, you can not teach a man who is blind since birth, what the color red is... That is because he did not see anything similiar to red. Heart is a higher thing because it works with with the mechanism of witnessing. Difference between mind and heart is like that: İf a student get a high score on an exam, you would say; he probably studied hard last night. Because you linked an high score with studying hard, in you mind. But a person who stays in the same home with this student can say to you; yes i witnessed that he studied hard, without having the need to see his score in exam. That is the difference between mind and heart, witnessing is a higher thing. Believing is a work of heart, so the words a person say when he is becoming a muslim, is called the words of shadah(witnessing)

It can also be said that, heart is Sultan(king) and mind is heart's vizier. A good vizier do not say ok to every word of Sultan, he corrects him when it is needed, but the vizier can never overthrow the sultan. And know that the sultan is higher than him in rank. That is like the analogy of heart and mind...
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3/12/2014 2:58:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/21/2013 12:25:39 AM, guen wrote:
a person is responsible for believing in 6 things:
1-Allah is one
2-Allah's prophets(all of them including moses, jesus, and muhammad(peace be upon them)
3- All the books that Allah has ever send via his prophets( torah,bible,quran etc...)(but we believe that message of bible and torah has been changed and corrupted but there are still fragments of truth in them)
4-Destiny
5-Angels
6-Day of judgement

I meant by these 'being a muslim'. Because there are the things a muslims should believe.
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3/13/2014 5:44:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/12/2014 9:51:49 AM, guen wrote:
İ want to say somethings about heart, mind and being a muslim.
Muslim is a person who say this with his tongue and his heart: I bare witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger(Resul). So a person can not be a muslim and find salvation without accepting Muhammad(pbuh). This sentence is called The word of shadah(witnessing).

The full sentence of the word of shadah is like that:: I bare witness that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his 'abd'(slave,servant) and his 'rasul'(messenger, prophet).
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3/13/2014 7:30:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
According to islam faith, belief(accepting Muhammad(pbuh)) is the thing that decides who will be in heaven and who will be in hell for eternity. The time between Jesus(pbuh) and Muhammad(pbuh) is called 'Fetret'. That means there was no prophet on that time period. Some Muslim scholars said that, these people are Ehl i necat.(That means they are free of eternal hell) . Some scholars said that, these people still should believe that Allah is one and there is no god but him.( That means they should not commit shirk). And those who dont believe that Allah is one on the Fetret time will go to hell for eternity. Some scholars said that these people will be turned to dust on the judgement day. The text i posted about Imam ı Gazali is about the opinion of scholars, that Fetret time can still continue for some people on earth, after Prophet Muhammad, because of geographic distances and such...
And these people might be like the people of Fetret because they have no means to know about prophet Muhammad(pbuh). But one should notice that Imam ı Gazali was living in Medieval Age. All the scholars i know of are in the opinion that the time we are living in is the age of information and earth is smaller now by the means of communication, so people of this age can not be counted as Fetret people and are obliged to accept Muhammad(pbuh) to be free of eternal hell...
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3/13/2014 11:14:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/13/2014 7:30:33 AM, guen wrote:
According to islam faith, belief(accepting Muhammad(pbuh)) is the thing that decides who will be in heaven and who will be in hell for eternity. The time between Jesus(pbuh) and Muhammad(pbuh) is called 'Fetret'. That means there was no prophet on that time period. Some Muslim scholars said that, these people are Ehl i necat.(That means they are free of eternal hell) . Some scholars said that, these people still should believe that Allah is one and there is no god but him.( That means they should not commit shirk). And those who dont believe that Allah is one on the Fetret time will go to hell for eternity. Some scholars said that these people will be turned to dust on the judgement day. The text i posted about Imam ı Gazali is about the opinion of scholars, that Fetret time can still continue for some people on earth, after Prophet Muhammad, because of geographic distances and such...
And these people might be like the people of Fetret because they have no means to know about prophet Muhammad(pbuh). But one should notice that Imam ı Gazali was living in Medieval Age. All the scholars i know of are in the opinion that the time we are living in is the age of information and earth is smaller now by the means of communication, so people of this age can not be counted as Fetret people and are obliged to accept Muhammad(pbuh) to be free of eternal hell...

But of course, there might still be people who lives on a secluded and isolated enviroment, and be counted as of fetret. But we can not know that, only Allah knows that.
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3/14/2014 6:43:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/13/2014 7:30:33 AM, guen wrote:
But of course, there might still be people who lives on a secluded and isolated enviroment, and be counted as of fetret. But we can not know that, only Allah knows that.
This is also scholars's opinion
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3/16/2014 6:21:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
About the pre-islamic arab society:

There was people who understood that Allah is one, by themselves. For example Kus bin Saide... These people are in Heaven

There was people who corrupted the belief of Tevhid(Belief that Allah is one) and formed a paganistic religion, and gathered people around themselves. Like Amr bin Luhay and other idolators.. These people are in Hell

There was people who do not have a belief either way, and dont have that kind of concepts in their lifes. These people are thought by scholars to be of fetret.

Also there was believers of the religion of Abraham(pbuh) in the pre islamic Arabs society. These people were called Hanif, and they were believing in that Allah is one.