Total Posts:12|Showing Posts:1-12
Jump to topic:

War in Islam...

guen
Posts: 33
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/21/2013 2:36:13 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Jihad means ""to struggle in the name of Allah"" İt is repeated in the Quran as a Word 4 times and as a verb 24 times. In some verses it is used as "" to struggle"", in some verses as "" fighting"" Prophet Muhammad said: "" Mucahid(the one who performs jiha) is the one who struggles with himself"" Again, he also said that: "" The most wonderful jihad is telling the truth in front of a tyrant ruler"" His wife Aisha asked him: ""Shouldnt we women do jihad as well?"" He replied: "" A good way to jihad for women is to go hajj(pilgrimage)""
What is the place of ""fighting with weapons"" in Islam?:
Muslims are allowed to fight with weapons only if they are attacked first. İt is prohibited to start a war out of nowhere. İf the non-muslims break a peace treatie or start preperations of war against muslims, this is also a enough reason for muslims to defend themselves.
Surat al Baqara from quran- verses 190-193:
""Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.""
Also killing of women and children is prohibited during war.
If the non muslims who are fighting with muslims surrenders, and agree to pay tribute, they gain to the right to live in muslim state. That means the reason for fighting is not expanding the islam faith, the reason is to make sure the safety of islamic state.
Surat al Baqara from quran-46:
""And do not argue with the People of the Scripture(jews and christians) except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Surat al Mumtahinah verse 8-9:
""Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.""
Some words from Prophet Muhammad(pbuh):
""O people, do not wish to confront with enemies. Pray Allah for well being but if you confront enemies know that the heaven is under the shadow of swords.""
""I dont wish to see you return with women and children whom you have killed their husbands and fathers. Instead, i want to see you return with peoble who have found the right way.""
Surat al Tawbah 12-15:
""And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease. Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers. Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people. And remove the fury in the believers' hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.""
Also if a minority of peoble are under opression of a tyrant, this is also a reason for war:
Surat an Nisa 75-76:
""And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?" Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.""
Halid bin Velid(a muslim in the prophet muhammad"s time) used sword against a group of people whom prophet Muhammad send him to teach islam. After that incident, prophet Muhammad send these group of people gold to compensate their losses, even for the dogs that have been killed during the fight.
Ali bin Ebu Talib once asked Prophet Muhammad: ""Do we make he jews come to islam with force? Prophet Muhammad answered: No, teach and propose them with peace.""
Once, during a war, Ali bin Ebu Talib made his enemy to fall to ground. He raised his sword to kill the man. The man spitted to the face of Ali. Then, Ali sheathed his sword. The man was surprised that Ali spared his life. Ali said: "" I was going to kill you in the name of Allah. But when you spitted to my face, i got angry and it became a personaL matter. İf i would kill you, it would be murder now. So i sheathed my sword"""
SemperVI
Posts: 294
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/27/2013 6:27:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Greater jihad is an inner struggle aiming at removing psychological habits and biological instincts that keep Muslims from following the Islamic teachings. The problem is that the pinnacle of these teachings is the lesser jihad, killing or subjugating non-Muslims. Greater jihad is just another word for self-radicalisation.

In some Islamic traditions, scholars talk about two kinds of jihad: greater jihad and lesser jihad. Greater jihad denotes an inner psychological struggle of submitting to Muhammed's example and the teachings of Allah. Lesser jihad is what is commonly known as Islamic holy war -- the attempt to spread Islam by submitting non-Muslims and non-Islamic areas to Sharia through preferably violent, but also non-violent, means.

Lesser jihad

It would be a grave mistake to think that just because the term jihad is used in two different ways, violent jihad is a misinterpretation of Islam. It is not. Using violence to physically impose Sharia on the world is a duty of all Muslims, stated many places in the Islamic scriptures.

Greater jihad

Both the Quran and Muhammed mentions several times how important it is for Muslims to be willing to give up everything, even their lives, in order to wage jihad for Allah. The Quran goes so far as to label those who are not willing to give up their family and everything they own for the sake of jihad as disobedient (meaning apostasy, for which the Sharia orders the death penalty): "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people." (9:24).

Greater jihad is thus an inner psychological process of removing emotional obstacles, such as the survival instinct and the natural biological attachment to offspring, spouses and a safe and comfortable dwelling, making the believer ready and willing to submit and give up every personal desire and attachment to spread Islam.

The greater jihad, the mental replacement of personal desires with an absolute loyalty towards Allah and his prophet and laws, is aided by what could be called the cultural psychological spine of Islamic culture: the recitation of the Islamic scriptures (some even learn the whole Quran by heart), expressions of loyalty through prayer five times a day by repeating the salah ("O Allah, how perfect You are and praise be to You. Blessed is Your name, and exalted is Your majesty. There is no god but You."), and the well-known and severe religious and social control that ensure the rule of Sharia in Muslim societies.

Brainwashing oneself

The traditional cocktail of repetition and the use of threats and violence (often called "honor violence") within Islamic societies is exactly the same psychological tactic used in classical brainwashing of, for example, prisoners in totalitarian political regimes. Fear, violence and deprivation of personal freedom break down the individual and make him or her receptive to the message and orders that are repeated almost endlessly.

The expression "slave of Allah" is -- not surprisingly -- commonly used among practising Muslims as a positive way of describing the completion of the greater jihad: one's own submission and giving up of normal human desires for the benefit of Islam.

Seen from a psychological perspective, the greater jihad is nothing but self-radicalisation -- an inner holy war of brainwashing oneself that is deeply ingrained in tradition -- to go against human nature.
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/27/2013 8:29:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 2:36:13 AM, guen wrote:
Jihad means ""to struggle in the name of Allah"" İt is repeated in the Quran as a Word 4 times and as a verb 24 times. In some verses it is used as "" to struggle"", in some verses as "" fighting"" Prophet Muhammad said: "" Mucahid(the one who performs jiha) is the one who struggles with himself"" Again, he also said that: "" The most wonderful jihad is telling the truth in front of a tyrant ruler"" His wife Aisha asked him: ""Shouldnt we women do jihad as well?"" He replied: "" A good way to jihad for women is to go hajj(pilgrimage)""
What is the place of ""fighting with weapons"" in Islam?:
Muslims are allowed to fight with weapons only if they are attacked first. İt is prohibited to start a war out of nowhere. İf the non-muslims break a peace treatie or start preperations of war against muslims, this is also a enough reason for muslims to defend themselves.
Surat al Baqara from quran- verses 190-193:
""Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.""
Also killing of women and children is prohibited during war.
If the non muslims who are fighting with muslims surrenders, and agree to pay tribute, they gain to the right to live in muslim state. That means the reason for fighting is not expanding the islam faith, the reason is to make sure the safety of islamic state.
Surat al Baqara from quran-46:
""And do not argue with the People of the Scripture(jews and christians) except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Surat al Mumtahinah verse 8-9:
""Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.""
Some words from Prophet Muhammad(pbuh):
""O people, do not wish to confront with enemies. Pray Allah for well being but if you confront enemies know that the heaven is under the shadow of swords.""
""I dont wish to see you return with women and children whom you have killed their husbands and fathers. Instead, i want to see you return with peoble who have found the right way.""
Surat al Tawbah 12-15:
""And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease. Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers. Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people. And remove the fury in the believers' hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.""
Also if a minority of peoble are under opression of a tyrant, this is also a reason for war:
Surat an Nisa 75-76:
""And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?" Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.""
Halid bin Velid(a muslim in the prophet muhammad"s time) used sword against a group of people whom prophet Muhammad send him to teach islam. After that incident, prophet Muhammad send these group of people gold to compensate their losses, even for the dogs that have been killed during the fight.
Ali bin Ebu Talib once asked Prophet Muhammad: ""Do we make he jews come to islam with force? Prophet Muhammad answered: No, teach and propose them with peace.""
Once, during a war, Ali bin Ebu Talib made his enemy to fall to ground. He raised his sword to kill the man. The man spitted to the face of Ali. Then, Ali sheathed his sword. The man was surprised that Ali spared his life. Ali said: "" I was going to kill you in the name of Allah. But when you spitted to my face, i got angry and it became a personaL matter. İf i would kill you, it would be murder now. So i sheathed my sword"""

What I don"t get about all of this defence of war and violence in Islam is how people can say Islam does not condone violence when the Danish cartoonists have death threats against them. I mean some Muslims wants to kill these cartoonists for drawing a picture? Is this peaceful?

Or the fatwa against Salman Rushdie over a book! This is not sane in any sense and not what happens in a religion of "peace"
Fruitytree
Posts: 2,176
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/27/2013 9:43:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 7:42:23 PM, muslimnomore wrote:
What would you say about this man's perspective?

Did he say anything different from what the OP said ?!!!
muslimnomore
Posts: 369
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/27/2013 5:15:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/27/2013 9:43:20 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 11/21/2013 7:42:23 PM, muslimnomore wrote:
What would you say about this man's perspective?


Did he say anything different from what the OP said ?!!!

yeah, he said it is obligatory upon an islamic state (a khliafah) to wage unprovoked war, if the people of a particular nation simply refuse to accept islam.
HPWKA
Posts: 401
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/27/2013 5:59:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
yeah, he said it is obligatory upon an islamic state (a khliafah) to wage unprovoked war, if the people of a particular nation simply refuse to accept islam.

So? What does one person's statement have to with a large topic like war in Islam? Let's try to be somewhat serious.
Feelings are the fleeting fancy of fools.
The search for truth in a world of lies is the only thing that matters.
muslimnomore
Posts: 369
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/27/2013 6:02:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/27/2013 5:59:04 PM, HPWKA wrote:
yeah, he said it is obligatory upon an islamic state (a khliafah) to wage unprovoked war, if the people of a particular nation simply refuse to accept islam.

So? What does one person's statement have to with a large topic like war in Islam? Let's try to be somewhat serious.

That was a very dumb post.

Considering the fact that the statement is directly about the topic, it is quite clear that it is relevant to the discussion.
If you think that I am trying to imply that one person's views represent all of Islam, let me be clear: that's not what I am trying to do.
I just wanted to see what people thought about this man's views on the subject.
Fruitytree
Posts: 2,176
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/27/2013 11:27:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/27/2013 5:15:03 PM, muslimnomore wrote:
At 11/27/2013 9:43:20 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 11/21/2013 7:42:23 PM, muslimnomore wrote:
What would you say about this man's perspective?


Did he say anything different from what the OP said ?!!!

yeah, he said it is obligatory upon an islamic state (a khliafah) to wage unprovoked war, if the people of a particular nation simply refuse to accept islam.

Not that, he said if the Islamic state is established, only then can the Muslims fight for keeping it's establishment! and he didn't give more details for you to understand it the way you did !!!
dadman
Posts: 272
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/27/2013 11:39:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
check out these Muslims who just found out their Healthcare coverage
just got cancelled because of Obamacare ..
they are VERY VERY upset about it
And he (God) gave some apostles .. and some prophets .. and some evangelists .. and some teaching pastors .. for the perfecting of the saints .. for the work of the ministry .. for the edifying of the body of Christ .. till we all come in the unity of the faith .. and of the knowledge of the Son of God .. to a perfect (complete) man .. to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ . . . . Ephesians 4:12 .. http://dadmansabode.com... .. come and learn
Usama.7
Posts: 21
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/29/2013 2:25:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
hey ...dadman
they are not Muslims ..they r shi*t... shiite ..i watched that video long time ago ..its sad to see these ignorant and then take advantage to attack Islam with that
there is big difference between shiite and Muslims ..ok
they call their selves Muslims but they are not
these are sick people ..crying and hitting their bodies for a man died 1400 years ago ..they are worse than Christians and Jews for me
don't say ..see Muslims here .find out about it .. before you accuse real Muslims
watch this
dadman
Posts: 272
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/29/2013 9:23:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
someone needs a sense of humor
And he (God) gave some apostles .. and some prophets .. and some evangelists .. and some teaching pastors .. for the perfecting of the saints .. for the work of the ministry .. for the edifying of the body of Christ .. till we all come in the unity of the faith .. and of the knowledge of the Son of God .. to a perfect (complete) man .. to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ . . . . Ephesians 4:12 .. http://dadmansabode.com... .. come and learn