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 Posts: 119 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 1:18:31 AMPosted: 3 years agoHuman chromosome number in chapter 76 "Human Being"":The first verse of this chapter is the 46th verse form the beginning of the Holy Quran that contains the word "Human being". Number 46 is equal to human chromosome number.This chapter is the 31st chapter form the beginning of the Quran that contains the word "Human being"". At the same time, this chapter has 31 verses. Interestingly, 46 is the 31st composite number in universe. A Composite number is a natural number (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ) that is divisible by numbers other than itself and one, they are simply produced by multiplying prime numbers together (e.g. 4=2*2, 6=2*3, ...). The first few composite numbers in universe are 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12 ...-The number of words from chapter's beginning up to the first word of God - Allah - in verse number 6 is 46 words. God describes in verse 6 what awaits His true servants in paradise: "a spring where the servants of Allah drink, which they make to gush forth as they please."The number of letters from chapter's beginning up to the first word of God - Allah - in verse number 6 is 199 letters. The number 199 is the 46th prime number in universe. A prime number is a natural number (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ") that is divisible only by itself and one. The first few primes in universe are 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31..The number of letters from chapter's beginning up to the first word of God - Allah - in verse number 6, including omitted Alef letters of the Othmany script, is 207 letters. The number 207 is equal to 23 x 9. The special thing about number 9 is that the 9th prime number in universe is the number 23.The number of letters from chapter's beginning up to verse 6 (where the word God - Allah - appears for the first time) is 184 which is equal to 46 x 4The word God - Allah - الله appears in this chapter 5 times. If we count the number of words from the first Allah word to the last one in verse 30, we find that the number of words is 184 which is 46 x 4The number of letters before the first God - Allah - word (from chapter's beginning) added to the number of letters after the last God - Allah - word (to chapter's end) gives a total of 253. This number is equal to 23 x 11. Number 11 signifies God - Allah - as indicated by letter value systems derived from the Quran.The word "Human being" , as mentioned earlier, appears in verse 1 & 2. If we count the number of letters used (repeated excluded) in these two verses we find them to be 23 unique letters (out of a total of 28 letters of the Arabic alphabetCounting the letters from chapter's beginning to the first God - Allah - word shows that the first letter in the word "Human being" letter Alef is repeated 46 times (which is equal to human diploid chromosome number) and that the last letter in the word "Human being" letter Noon is repeated 23 times (which is equal to human haploid chromosome number).The letter Alef is of special interest since it is the first letter in the word "Human being"(even in indefinite form) and it is also the first letter in the word God - Allah - It has also special importance in relation to this chapter since its positions of appearance (among letters) in the first two verses up to the two occurrences of the word "Human being" add up to 23 and 32 (human haploid chromosome number and its reversed form). The even more interesting thing about this letter is that it appears 199 times in this whole chapter. Remarkably enough, the number 199 is the 46th prime number in universeThe word "Human being" appears two times: one time in verse 1 and second time in verse 2. The number of Arabic letters from the beginning of verse 1 to the second word of "Human being" in verse 2 (and last one in whole chapter) is exactly 46 letters.When counting only key-opening letters of Quran (The Quranic initials i.e. the 14 letters some chapters start with such as A,L,M or T,H) we find that the last letter of the second and last word for "Human being" letter Noon , is exactly the 46th from chapters beginning.Landing on the Moon:This is what God Almighty says in Chapter number 54 (Al Qamar - The Moon), in verse number one: Chapter 54, first verse"The Hour has come closer, and the moon has split"Man landend on the Moon and brought lunar surface samples back to earth in 1969. The vehicle Eagle left lunar surface on 21. July 1969 at 17:54:01 UTC. This coressponds to the 6th of Jamaadah al Awal (6th month in the Islamic calendar) of the year 1389 Hijri (indicating 1389 Lunar years from the day Prophet Muhammad, peace upon Him, migrated from Mecca to Madina) which means landing on the Moon occured in the year that completes 1390 years to the Hijra (the migration) according to the Islamic Calendar. This is the only verse in the Holy Quran that says something about Moon splitting. The verb Inshaqa (split) is used in other contexts in the Holy Quran to refer to splitting of earth as by water making rivers. This verse is the 1390th verse from the end of the Holy Quran, in other words, from this verse to the end of the Holy Quran there are exactly 1389 verses. 1389 verses from this verse, the Holy Quran ends. At the same time, 1389 years from Holy Quran's revelation, man would land on the Moon and bring, with his hands, lunar soil back to earth.And to increase our confidence let us consider what God says right after this verse:" 2. But whenever they see a miracle they turn aside and say, This is well-devised magic. 3. And they have treated the prophets as impostors, and follow their own lusts; but everything is unalterably fixed. 4. A message of prohibition had come to them - 5. Consummate wisdom - but warners profit them not."Distribution of the word "Human":The word Human -Ansn appears in definite form and in the Holy Quran sixty four times and one time in indefinite form. Chapter 76 is named "The Human" (in definite form). The interesting thing is that the word Human (Ansn) appears in definite form exactly 46 times before that chapter. 46 is the number of chromosomes humans have.Note also that the total number of occurences of this word in definite form is 64 which is the reversed form of the number 46.The position of the only occurrence in indefinite form is also special. Consider first the facts that the number 23 (human haploid chromosme numer) is the 9th prime number in universe and that the number 46 (human diploid chromosome number) is not a prime number, yet up to it there are exactly 14 prime numbers. Thus, and said in technical terms:9 prime numbers are less or equal to 23, and14 prime numbers are less or equal to 46The only occurrence of the word Human in indefinite form comes in the 10th position from Qurans beginning. This means that there are exactly 9 occurrences of the word Human in definite form up to it. Number 9 is special since number 23 is the 9th prime number and adding 14 to 9 gIf u eat u excrete it cant be helped
 Posts: 119 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 1:25:20 AMPosted: 3 years agoran's beginning. This number, 2691, is divisible perfectly by human haploid chromosome number 23. It is equal to 23 x 117. This verse (number 14) with this occurrence is the 117th verse from the end of the Holy Quran. Even more interestingly is the fact that exactly 117 letters pass by in this chapter as the phrase "Verily, to thy Lord is the return (of all)" ends (in verse 8) This corresponds to what God says in other places in the Quran that in same manner He had created Man and put him on earth, He would bring him back to Him. Our origin is 23 pairs of chromosomes and 117 signifies the end state of being raised from the dead to meet Him. gfgfgfThis same occurrence of the word God - "Allah" - is the 9th from the end of the Holy Quran (i.e. when counting from back). The interesting thing is that the 9th prime number in the universe is 23. Click here for a table of the first 1000 prime numbers in the universe.In verse number 14, where the only word for God - "Allah" -- appears, the last letter of this word is the 14th letter in the verse. The special thing about the number 14 is that there are exactly 14 prime numbers smaller than the number 46 (human chromosome number). The number 46 itself is not a prime number (it is equal to 23 " 2). The 14th prime number in the universe is the number 43.The word Ala'lq "The Clot" appears only one time in this chapter and that in verse number 2. This word is the 9th word in this chapter. Again the 9th prime number in universe is 23. At the same time, this same word is the 64th word from the end of the chapter. The number 64 is the reversed form of the number 46 (human chromosome number). Reversing numbers in case of counting from back is supported by several studies and findings in the Holy Quran.Giving each letter in this chapter a numerical value according to three distinct letter-value systems derived from the Quran and adding the values up gives three different numbers that all divide on their own perfectly by 23 (human haploid chromosme number). The letter-value systems are these:- One based on the names of God mentioned in the Holy Quran. The sum here is 2553 which is 23 x 3 x 37- Second based on Quranic letter-initial occurrences. The sum here is 1725 which is 23 x 3 x 5 x 5- And a third called Islamic Gommal (based on Quranic meanings). The sum here is 116035 which is 23 x 5 x 1009Link to file A table with all the total letter values (MS excel file)View image or illustration An image file with a screenshot of the table (PNG image)Solid findings in the first chapter of the Holy Quran (called The Key or Opening, Arabic Al-fatiha, support calculating number values for the letters based on their order of appearance inside the text. Let me simplify that for you using this example: The Word Allah(as written in English) consists of the letters A, L, L, A and H. The first letter to appear inside this word is A and thus gets the value 1. The second letter to appear is the letter L and gets accordingly the value 2. The letter L appears a second time inside this same word and it continues to be assigned the value 2 since it has been already established that the letter L is the second letter to apear inside this word. The 4th letter inside this word is A (value 1). The 5th letter of this word is H and it is the 3rd unique letter to appear inside the word and recieves therefor the value 3. We do exactly the same for the letters of this chapter (Chapter 96), starting form the first word Read, Arabic Iq'ra', giving each letter a numerical value representing its order of appearance in the chapter.As we do this and reach the 9th word of this chapter, we would have figured out the values for the word Clot, Arabic A'lq, , as follows:Letter A' ع receives the value 8Letter L ل receives the value 8Letter Q ق receives the value 8The sum of the values for this central word is 23, a total sum that corresponds to human haploid chromosome number. Writing the same word in definite form using these same values gives a total of 32 (i.e. the reversed form of the number 23). As mentioned earlier, this method of assigning letters numerical values in this manner is supported by several studies of the Quranic text.The number of words in this chapter is 72. The factors (simplest dividers) of the number 72 are the numbers 2 and 3. The number 72 is equal to 2^3 x 3^2. Pay attention how these factors, as written in standard and simplest way, resemble in form the numbers 23 and 32.The word "Human being", Arabic: Alansn, appears 3 times in this chapter. This means that along with each occurrence of the word "Human being", Arabic: Alansn, there are 23 other words.As said earlier the word "The Clot", Arabic: Ala'lq,is the 9th word in chapter and that this number relates to human haploid chromosome number. In the same manner, the positions of the 3 occurrences of the word "Human being" in this chapter relate they too to human chromosome number*. These 3 occurrences of this word appear in positions: 7th, 17th and 22nd from chapters beginning. The total of these position numbers is 46 (human chromosome number).* The helping word Ma ; in the 5th verse is treated as part of following word (as some researchers suggest).Counting the words from the first occurrence of the word "Human being", Arabic: Alansn, in the chapter to the only occurrence of the word God, Arabic: Allah, shows that the number of words is 46. Counting the helping word "That or which", Arabic: Ma ما in the 5th verse as part of following word, shows that the word God, Arabic: Allah,is itself the 46th word. This means that the set of words confined by the first occurrence of the word "Human being", Arabic: Alansn, and the only occurence of the word God, Arabic: Allah, in the chapter consists of exactly 46 words.There are 281 letters in this chapter, 230 of these are key-opening letters of the Holy Quran (Called Quranic initials: some chapters in the Quran begin with pure letters (not words) such as "ALM" or "TH" - No one is sure of the meaning or the purpose of these letters - They make 14 out of the total 28 letters in the Arabic alphabet). 51 letters in the chapter are of the remaining letters of the alphabet. Pay attention to how these numbers relate to human chromosome number:The number of Quranic initials' letters in this chapter is 230 which is 10 multiplied by human haploid chromosome number 23.In addition, letter total can be expressed in the following way:5 x 46 = 230 and 5 + 46 = 51 Total is 281Noteworthy is that the fifth word in this chapter is "Created" Khalak - meaning in verse 2Important studies and findings suggest that the 14 letters constituting the Quranic initials relate repeatedly to the linguistic and mathematical structure of verses and chapters. For example, at the same time that the first chapter of the Holy Quran (called The Key or Opening, Arabic Al-Fatiha,consists of a total of 139 letters (139 is a prime number), 119 letters of those are actually letters appearing in the Quranic initials (the 14 letters). The number 119 is divisible perfectly by 7, which is a key miracle number in the Holy Quran and in Scripture. 119 is equal to 7 x 17. The number 17 is equal to the number of obligatory daily Rakaat of Al-Salah (Prayer) in Islam. Accordingly, and as inspired and revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace upon him, the first chapter of the Holy Quran (Al-Fatiha) is read at least 17 times in a day.SITES:http://www.quranwonders.com...http://www.godalone.org... - another site dealing with based on primes, twin primes, twin prime companions, composites, semi-primes, tri-primes, quad-primes, quint-primes "If u eat u excrete it cant be helped
 Posts: 119 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 1:34:48 AMPosted: 3 years ago*** the begining of post 2his chapter has 19 verses. The Arabic alphabet consists of 28 letters. The number of unique Arabic letters in this chapter is 23 (i.e. repeated excluded), which is equal to the number of chromosome pairs humans have (called human haploid chromosome number).The word God - "Allah" - -appears only once in this chapter: in verse number 14. This occurrence of the word God is the 2691st from Quran's beginning. This number, 2691, is divisible perfectly by human haploid chromosome number 23. It is equal to 23 x 117. This verse (number 14) with this occurrence is the 117th verse from the end of the Holy Quran. Even more interestingly is the fact that exactly 117 letters pass by in this chapter as the phrase "Verily, to thy Lord is the return (of all)" ends (in verse 8) This corresponds to what God says in other places in the Quran that in same manner He had created Man and put him on earth, He would bring him back to Him. Our origin is 23 pairs of chromosomes and 117 signifies the end state of being raised from the dead to meet Him.This same occurrence of the word God - "Allah" - الله - is the 9th from the end of the Holy Quran (i.e. when counting from back). The interesting thing is that the 9th prime number in the universe is 23. Click here for a table of the first 1000 prime numbers in the universe.In verse number 14, where the only word for God - "Allah" - الله - appears, the last letter of this word is the 14th letter in the verse. The special thing about the number 14 is that there are exactly 14 prime numbers smaller than the number 46 (human chromosome number). The number 46 itself is not a prime number (it is equal to 23 " 2). The 14th prime number in the universe is the number 43.The word Ala'lq العلق "The Clot" appears only one time in this chapter and that in verse number 2. This word is the 9th word in this chapter. Again the 9th prime number in universe is 23. At the same time, this same word is the 64th word from the end of the chapter. The number 64 is the reversed form of the number 46 (human chromosome number). Reversing numbers in case of counting from back is supported by several studies and findings in the Holy Quran.Giving each letter in this chapter a numerical value according to three distinct letter-value systems derived from the Quran and adding the values up gives three different numbers that all divide on their own perfectly by 23 (human haploid chromosme number). The letter-value systems are these:- One based on the names of God mentioned in the Holy Quran. The sum here is 2553 which is 23 x 3 x 37- Second based on Quranic letter-initial occurrences. The sum here is 1725 which is 23 x 3 x 5 x 5- And a third called Islamic Gommal (based on Quranic meanings). The sum here is 116035 which is 23 x 5 x 1009 ....If u eat u excrete it cant be helped
 Posts: 119 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 1:36:34 AMPosted: 3 years agoits chapter 96 ^^If u eat u excrete it cant be helped
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AMPosted: 3 years agoApophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!http://en.wikipedia.org...Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...
 Posts: 119 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 1:38:27 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!http://en.wikipedia.org...go to the site and see how its composed...If u eat u excrete it cant be helped
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 1:43:04 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/28/2013 1:38:27 AM, Somecrap wrote:At 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!http://en.wikipedia.org...go to the site and see how its composed...Trust me I have seen this multiple times, there is no need. Its finding patterns where there are none. There are Christians that do the same thing with the bible and also say go look at the evidence and see how it is done. Again,I have seen it and its just finding patterns.Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...
 Posts: 119 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 1:47:27 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!http://en.wikipedia.org...for example see this its prove that is saved from corruption...http://www.quranwonders.com...If u eat u excrete it cant be helped
 Posts: 1,172 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 11:35:53 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!Dear, 240= 10*24 isn't a pattern. And matching it with 24 chromosomes is much closer to "Apophenia".Somecrap has shared really something special, here.Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~ "This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 5:27:43 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/28/2013 11:35:53 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!Dear, 240= 10*24 isn't a pattern. And matching it with 24 chromosomes is much closer to "Apophenia".Somecrap has shared really something special, here.I thought you may appreciate the humour,but I could extend it and say Dumbledore is mentioned 24 times as well. While Voldemort is mentioned 25,indicating he has an extra gene for evil.The point is all this rubbish about holy math is pattern seeking,which you can find anywhere.A few posts ago it was shown to happen in a Shakespeare play.http://www.debate.org...Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...
 Posts: 119 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/28/2013 10:00:39 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/28/2013 5:27:43 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/28/2013 11:35:53 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!Dear, 240= 10*24 isn't a pattern. And matching it with 24 chromosomes is much closer to "Apophenia".Somecrap has shared really something special, here.I thought you may appreciate the humour,but I could extend it and say Dumbledore is mentioned 24 times as well. While Voldemort is mentioned 25,indicating he has an extra gene for evil.The point is all this rubbish about holy math is pattern seeking,which you can find anywhere.A few posts ago it was shown to happen in a Shakespeare play.http://www.debate.org...the problem is therre is so many of math relation between anything u pick from the quran... im just throwing words here the matter is when u try to count them its endless and it not coincidence.. here good sites if u want to,,http://www.godalone.org... - there is a book free to read there and believe me u cant explain them...http://www.answering-christianity.com...http://www.quranwonders.com...http://www.masjidtucson.org...http://www.miraclesofthequran.com...again this video very intresting one,,, If u eat u excrete it cant be helped
 Posts: 1,172 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 1:37:56 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/28/2013 5:27:43 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/28/2013 11:35:53 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!Dear, 240= 10*24 isn't a pattern. And matching it with 24 chromosomes is much closer to "Apophenia".Somecrap has shared really something special, here.I thought you may appreciate the humour,but I could extend it and say Dumbledore is mentioned 24 times as well. While Voldemort is mentioned 25,indicating he has an extra gene for evil.The point is all this rubbish about holy math is pattern seeking,which you can find anywhere.A few posts ago it was shown to happen in a Shakespeare play.http://www.debate.org...The idea that you can find it "anywhere" is rubbish. I mean pattern which are trying to demonstrate are really arbitrary patterns which one mind can seek just for trying to attempt a counter part role against the thread nature that is which you told us called as "Apophenia". The OP is explaining a pattern that goes throughout the context but for Shakespeare and Harry Potter and others the pattern you are trying to describe is isolated that can't be applied to whole of their work. You would have to explain their complete work pattern, and that you and your provided links are not explaining well right now.Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~ "This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 1:57:07 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 1:37:56 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/28/2013 5:27:43 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/28/2013 11:35:53 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!Dear, 240= 10*24 isn't a pattern. And matching it with 24 chromosomes is much closer to "Apophenia".Somecrap has shared really something special, here.I thought you may appreciate the humour,but I could extend it and say Dumbledore is mentioned 24 times as well. While Voldemort is mentioned 25,indicating he has an extra gene for evil.The point is all this rubbish about holy math is pattern seeking,which you can find anywhere.A few posts ago it was shown to happen in a Shakespeare play.http://www.debate.org...The idea that you can find it "anywhere" is rubbish. I mean pattern which are trying to demonstrate are really arbitrary patterns which one mind can seek just for trying to attempt a counter part role against the thread nature that is which you told us called as "Apophenia". The OP is explaining a pattern that goes throughout the context but for Shakespeare and Harry Potter and others the pattern you are trying to describe is isolated that can't be applied to whole of their work. You would have to explain their complete work pattern, and that you and your provided links are not explaining well right now.So why is the Bible Code patterns that people have presented not valid but the Koran patterns are?http://en.wikipedia.org...And no one is going to waste there time looking for patterns in books unless they are looking for reason to believe in it. In other words I am not going to waste my time on going through any book looking for a pattern, a book has merits based on its message and style not on some random patterns someone sees.This whole argument is absurd. If the Koran is the word of God, then show the existence of God scientifically and verified.Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...
 Posts: 1,172 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 3:05:17 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 1:57:07 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 1:37:56 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/28/2013 5:27:43 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/28/2013 11:35:53 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!Dear, 240= 10*24 isn't a pattern. And matching it with 24 chromosomes is much closer to "Apophenia".Somecrap has shared really something special, here.I thought you may appreciate the humour,but I could extend it and say Dumbledore is mentioned 24 times as well. While Voldemort is mentioned 25,indicating he has an extra gene for evil.The point is all this rubbish about holy math is pattern seeking,which you can find anywhere.A few posts ago it was shown to happen in a Shakespeare play.http://www.debate.org...The idea that you can find it "anywhere" is rubbish. I mean pattern which are trying to demonstrate are really arbitrary patterns which one mind can seek just for trying to attempt a counter part role against the thread nature that is which you told us called as "Apophenia". The OP is explaining a pattern that goes throughout the context but for Shakespeare and Harry Potter and others the pattern you are trying to describe is isolated that can't be applied to whole of their work. You would have to explain their complete work pattern, and that you and your provided links are not explaining well right now.So why is the Bible Code patterns that people have presented not valid but the Koran patterns are?http://en.wikipedia.org...And no one is going to waste there time looking for patterns in books unless they are looking for reason to believe in it. In other words I am not going to waste my time on going through any book looking for a pattern, a book has merits based on its message and style not on some random patterns someone sees.That's it. Your focus isn't on accepting pattern even if you can find it there (but denying the pattern because you aren't going to believe in the text) Dear if pattern is there, then believing in the pattern is a rational and scientific approach. Come on.If the Koran is the word of God, then show the existence of God scientifically and verified.Dear I should give you a Medal. "IF Quran is word of God, then it's itself a rational and scientific proof that God exists." Verified!I'm loving you!TC!Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~ "This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
 Posts: 29,491 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 7:19:16 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 3:05:17 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 1:57:07 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 1:37:56 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/28/2013 5:27:43 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/28/2013 11:35:53 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/28/2013 1:37:01 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:Apophenia. seeking patterns where there are none.I am reading harry Potter, Harrys name is mentioned 240 times, which is 10*24,and 24 is the number of chromosomes humans have. OMG!Dear, 240= 10*24 isn't a pattern. And matching it with 24 chromosomes is much closer to "Apophenia".Somecrap has shared really something special, here.I thought you may appreciate the humour,but I could extend it and say Dumbledore is mentioned 24 times as well. While Voldemort is mentioned 25,indicating he has an extra gene for evil.The point is all this rubbish about holy math is pattern seeking,which you can find anywhere.A few posts ago it was shown to happen in a Shakespeare play.http://www.debate.org...The idea that you can find it "anywhere" is rubbish. I mean pattern which are trying to demonstrate are really arbitrary patterns which one mind can seek just for trying to attempt a counter part role against the thread nature that is which you told us called as "Apophenia". The OP is explaining a pattern that goes throughout the context but for Shakespeare and Harry Potter and others the pattern you are trying to describe is isolated that can't be applied to whole of their work. You would have to explain their complete work pattern, and that you and your provided links are not explaining well right now.So why is the Bible Code patterns that people have presented not valid but the Koran patterns are?http://en.wikipedia.org...And no one is going to waste there time looking for patterns in books unless they are looking for reason to believe in it. In other words I am not going to waste my time on going through any book looking for a pattern, a book has merits based on its message and style not on some random patterns someone sees.That's it. Your focus isn't on accepting pattern even if you can find it there (but denying the pattern because you aren't going to believe in the text) Dear if pattern is there, then believing in the pattern is a rational and scientific approach. Come on.If the Koran is the word of God, then show the existence of God scientifically and verified.Dear I should give you a Medal. "IF Quran is word of God, then it's itself a rational and scientific proof that God exists." Verified!I'm loving you!TC!Now that's funny...............lmfao.No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means. George Bernard Shaw
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 8:35:19 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 3:05:17 AM, Dazz wrote:If the Koran is the word of God, then show the existence of God scientifically and verified.Dear I should give you a Medal. "IF Quran is word of God, then it's itself a rational and scientific proof that God exists." Verified!I'm loving you!TC!This must be one of the most bizarre things I have ever heard. The Bible exists and is proof for the Biblical God, hence the Koran is wrong.Let me guess you dont see the problem with this argument.Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...
 Posts: 1,172 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 8:44:42 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 8:35:19 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 3:05:17 AM, Dazz wrote:If the Koran is the word of God, then show the existence of God scientifically and verified.Dear I should give you a Medal. "IF Quran is word of God, then it's itself a rational and scientific proof that God exists." Verified!I'm loving you!TC!This must be one of the most bizarre things I have ever heard. The Bible exists and is proof for the Biblical God, hence the Koran is wrong.Dear it's another false what-if argument.Bible is Proof of God. Quran verifies the Bible as the book of God. Quran is Right.Let me guess you dont see the problem with this argument.See the problem with your argument. Your guess is wrong.Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~ "This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 8:58:44 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 8:44:42 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 8:35:19 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 3:05:17 AM, Dazz wrote:If the Koran is the word of God, then show the existence of God scientifically and verified.Dear I should give you a Medal. "IF Quran is word of God, then it's itself a rational and scientific proof that God exists." Verified!I'm loving you!TC!This must be one of the most bizarre things I have ever heard. The Bible exists and is proof for the Biblical God, hence the Koran is wrong.Dear it's another false what-if argument.Bible is Proof of God. Quran verifies the Bible as the book of God. Quran is Right.Let me guess you dont see the problem with this argument.See the problem with your argument. Your guess is wrong.According to the bible the only way to God is through Jesus. In the Koran you have to adhere to the tenants of Islam. Yet you say the Koran verifies the Bible and the the Koran is right.So again I ask you the same question, why is the Koran right and the Bible is wrong?And don"t say the Koran is right.Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...
 Posts: 1,172 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 8:58:44 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 8:44:42 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 8:35:19 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 3:05:17 AM, Dazz wrote:Until now I was being objective and to-the-point, but it seems you have a lot of other points in mind to relate them with current discussion, so I'll try to cover your concerned area now.According to the bible the only way to God is through Jesus. In the Koran you have to adhere to the tenants of Islam. Yet you say the Koran verifies the Bible and the the Koran is right.First of all, I repeat if you read Quran carefully, you would get know, it verifies the Bible and other than Bible all the previous books and revelations. Along with it you would get to know that Bible isn't preserved in its pure form, some part of it has been replaced by people. Thus according to logic if you quote something from Bible, that can be and can't be real part of Bible.Now the term Biblical God is subjective for how one defines it. If you are saying christian defines their god as "three" father and son etc, that is what Quran is explaining as false concept of christian that they people made wrongly and that was not the message of Bible according to Quran. Hence Quran says there is only one God and all previous revelations were signs from God and Quran is the last message. In this sense the God that Isah (Peace and Blessings be upon Him) called toward is also the one God, ALLAH. And about the way towards God, it's a rational that the messenger is the way. Quran also gives the message to follow the messenger. About tenants I don't know what do you mean by it but that can be a part of instruction in practice, hence it's also not a contradiction rather a flow.So again I ask you the same question, why is the Koran right and the Bible is wrong?Bible isn't wrong. Bible and message was truth, people molded it wrongly that is now presented in form of christian way. According to Quran, they people of book (previous one) recognize the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon Him) in such a best way as they can recognize their children because they are well aware about the arrival of last Prophet. Hence that is why you can read from history that he was a (scholar- Waraqa ibn Nawfal) follower of Isah (Peace be upon Him) who verified for the reality and signs of arrival of last Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon Him) at the time when he was asked. And there were other followers/scholar who were holding the right believe as told by Isah (Peace be upon Him) about the arrival of last Prophet, so they immediately accepted the last Prophecy. Thus that is about accepting the serial of revelation time by time, and divergent from accepting it.Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~ "This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
 Posts: 1,172 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 10:30:52 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AM, Dazz wrote:But I'm not getting what all of your queries have to do with the thread topic. If pattern exists that exists, no worries at all. You should accept it.Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~ "This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/29/2013 6:38:28 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 10:30:52 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AM, Dazz wrote:But I'm not getting what all of your queries have to do with the thread topic. If pattern exists that exists, no worries at all. You should accept it.I accept the fact that there are patterns. But these patterns can be found in anything if you look hard enough and want to find them. That has been my point all along, and why I mentioned other books.Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...
 Posts: 1,172 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/30/2013 4:24:33 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/29/2013 6:38:28 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:30:52 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AM, Dazz wrote:But I'm not getting what all of your queries have to do with the thread topic. If pattern exists that exists, no worries at all. You should accept it.But these patterns can be found in anything if you look hard enough and want to find them.Isn't it called "Apophenia" which you were talking about. I mean while stating one pattern, do we need to compare it with others and not just comparing but "looking hard enough to find them"? There is no need to do so.Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~ "This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
 Posts: 29,491 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/30/2013 5:51:23 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/30/2013 4:24:33 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 6:38:28 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:30:52 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AM, Dazz wrote:But I'm not getting what all of your queries have to do with the thread topic. If pattern exists that exists, no worries at all. You should accept it.But these patterns can be found in anything if you look hard enough and want to find them.Isn't it called "Apophenia" which you were talking about. I mean while stating one pattern, do we need to compare it with others and not just comparing but "looking hard enough to find them"? There is no need to do so.Yes and Apophenia is a mental disorder. Oh dear.No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means. George Bernard Shaw
 Posts: 1,172 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/30/2013 2:26:05 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/30/2013 5:51:23 AM, bulproof wrote:At 11/30/2013 4:24:33 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 6:38:28 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:30:52 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AM, Dazz wrote:But I'm not getting what all of your queries have to do with the thread topic. If pattern exists that exists, no worries at all. You should accept it.But these patterns can be found in anything if you look hard enough and want to find them.Isn't it called "Apophenia" which you were talking about. I mean while stating one pattern, do we need to compare it with others and not just comparing but "looking hard enough to find them"? There is no need to do so.Yes and Apophenia is a mental disorder. Oh dear.Oh dear. What are you talking about? What was your "yes" for?Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~ "This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 11/30/2013 7:47:50 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/30/2013 2:26:05 PM, Dazz wrote:At 11/30/2013 5:51:23 AM, bulproof wrote:At 11/30/2013 4:24:33 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 6:38:28 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:30:52 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AM, Dazz wrote:But I'm not getting what all of your queries have to do with the thread topic. If pattern exists that exists, no worries at all. You should accept it.But these patterns can be found in anything if you look hard enough and want to find them.Isn't it called "Apophenia" which you were talking about. I mean while stating one pattern, do we need to compare it with others and not just comparing but "looking hard enough to find them"? There is no need to do so.Yes and Apophenia is a mental disorder. Oh dear.Oh dear. What are you talking about? What was your "yes" for?And we are talking about patterns in the Koran.Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...
 Posts: 29,491 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 12/1/2013 7:41:48 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 11/30/2013 2:26:05 PM, Dazz wrote:At 11/30/2013 5:51:23 AM, bulproof wrote:At 11/30/2013 4:24:33 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 6:38:28 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:30:52 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AM, Dazz wrote:But I'm not getting what all of your queries have to do with the thread topic. If pattern exists that exists, no worries at all. You should accept it.But these patterns can be found in anything if you look hard enough and want to find them.Isn't it called "Apophenia" which you were talking about. I mean while stating one pattern, do we need to compare it with others and not just comparing but "looking hard enough to find them"? There is no need to do so.Yes and Apophenia is a mental disorder. Oh dear.Oh dear. What are you talking about? What was your "yes" for?Let me see if I'm clear on this, you are using a mental illness to prove divinity in a book you've read?No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means. George Bernard Shaw
 Posts: 47 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 12/1/2013 8:26:19 PMPosted: 3 years agoO I C! Absolutely scientific and proof positive that the Quran wad divinely inspired! All of those numbers! Must add up to SOMETHING!Kassandra
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 12/1/2013 8:29:03 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 12/1/2013 8:26:19 PM, Kassandra wrote:O I C! Absolutely scientific and proof positive that the Quran wad divinely inspired! All of those numbers! Must add up to SOMETHING!+1Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...
 Posts: 1,172 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 12/8/2013 12:54:52 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 12/1/2013 7:41:48 PM, bulproof wrote:At 11/30/2013 2:26:05 PM, Dazz wrote:At 11/30/2013 5:51:23 AM, bulproof wrote:At 11/30/2013 4:24:33 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 6:38:28 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:30:52 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AM, Dazz wrote:But I'm not getting what all of your queries have to do with the thread topic. If pattern exists that exists, no worries at all. You should accept it.But these patterns can be found in anything if you look hard enough and want to find them.Isn't it called "Apophenia" which you were talking about. I mean while stating one pattern, do we need to compare it with others and not just comparing but "looking hard enough to find them"? There is no need to do so.Yes and Apophenia is a mental disorder. Oh dear.Oh dear. What are you talking about? What was your "yes" for?Let me see if I'm clear on this, you are using a mental illness to prove divinity in a book you've read?Sorry you're not clear on this, Apophenia is a mental disorder and if it's like finding patterns where they are not is just what "imanatheistandthat'swhy" is trying to do by stating that he can find these patterns "anywhere".Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~ "This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
 Posts: 720 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 12/8/2013 1:38:27 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 12/8/2013 12:54:52 AM, Dazz wrote:At 12/1/2013 7:41:48 PM, bulproof wrote:At 11/30/2013 2:26:05 PM, Dazz wrote:At 11/30/2013 5:51:23 AM, bulproof wrote:At 11/30/2013 4:24:33 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 6:38:28 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:30:52 AM, Dazz wrote:At 11/29/2013 10:21:34 AM, Dazz wrote:But I'm not getting what all of your queries have to do with the thread topic. If pattern exists that exists, no worries at all. You should accept it.But these patterns can be found in anything if you look hard enough and want to find them.Isn't it called "Apophenia" which you were talking about. I mean while stating one pattern, do we need to compare it with others and not just comparing but "looking hard enough to find them"? There is no need to do so.Yes and Apophenia is a mental disorder. Oh dear.Oh dear. What are you talking about? What was your "yes" for?Let me see if I'm clear on this, you are using a mental illness to prove divinity in a book you've read?Sorry you're not clear on this, Apophenia is a mental disorder and if it's like finding patterns where they are not is just what "imanatheistandthat'swhy" is trying to do by stating that he can find these patterns "anywhere".Don't be disingenuous.Apophenia is is the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.So if you are finding numbers from words, that is seeking patters in meaningless data. This means in simple terms,if you count the number of "the's" in a sentence and the numbers of "and's" in a sentence. Then you relate these two numbers, you may have patterns. However, this pattern is meaningless. You are associating random words to numbers.Its not that difficult to understand.Oh so I have a blog http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr...