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Why You Have to be Crazy to Deny God

Installgentoo
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12/3/2013 11:04:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Look at the World around you and look at a science textbook. Everything in the natural World, every single particle of matter, functions according to Universal Laws of science. If the Big Bang and random processes caused everything to exist, you would not find such harmonious laws governing how everything works, you would find chaos and confusion everywhere.

Obviously the World cannot be explained by chance, nor can the existence of such laws be created by physical necessity. This leads us to a designer of the cosmos. It would be quite illogical to assume that eevrything is governed by law through chance alone. You would find places where the laws of physics are different, but you cannot find such things in this universe. Everything works like clockwork. This alone is proof of something behind this universe.
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12/3/2013 1:34:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
What you are stating is that we cannot explain the existence of order, harmony, and fine-tuning in the universe. To solve that mystery, you proposed the existence of a powerful designer who created the universe and set its parameters - but the thing is: that hypothesis does not explain god's own inherent order, harmony, and fine-tuned properties. They remain unaccounted for, and we would need to suppose yet another designer who designed god to explain that. You are trying to explain the unexplained (universe's order) by something that is ALSO unexplained (god's order): this amounts to no explanation at all!

An infinite loop was created, with no stopping point whatsoever. You haven't solved anything, and your hypothesis fails to answer the very question that made you formulate it: why is there order at all?
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12/3/2013 6:43:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Here we have a unfalsifiable god-of-the-gaps. Because we do not have an explanation, and perhaps we never shall, we insert a supernatural being. How is that productive? How is that evidence? We inserted supernatural means when we didn't know about spontaneous generation. And look now. Think of how ridiculous that seems to us.
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12/3/2013 7:36:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/3/2013 11:04:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Look at the World around you and look at a science textbook. Everything in the natural World, every single particle of matter, functions according to Universal Laws of science.

Yes. So what?

If the Big Bang and random processes caused everything to exist, you would not find such harmonious laws governing how everything works, you would find chaos and confusion everywhere.

Who said it was random? Inflation caused the expansion, then things eventually settled into galaxies and what not. There doesn't seem to be any reason to think a God is needed for this. I think you are just trying to look for reasons to believe in God, because even you know the notion is implausible.


Obviously the World cannot be explained by chance, nor can the existence of such laws be created by physical necessity.

Why not?

This leads us to a designer of the cosmos.

No it doesn't.

It would be quite illogical to assume that eevrything is governed by law through chance alone.

You are assuming the choice is between God and chance. That's a false-dichotomy.

You would find places where the laws of physics are different, but you cannot find such things in this universe.

Some scientists believe the laws of physics are different in different patches of our connected space-time region.

Everything works like clockwork. This alone is proof of something behind this universe.

No, its not. The universe could easily be self-organizing.... We have no idea what the universe actually is, or what it does above and beyond what we are able to detect. For all we know, life is a bi-product of some larger function. For instance, Lee Smolin believes the universe is a perfect black hold generator. You need lots of stars to have black holes, and lots of stars means lots of solar systems, and life is just a bi-product of natural chemistry sets all over the universe. This is just one idea, but we don't know what the universe actually is to be in a position to judge that it must have had an intelligent designer. This is just going off on the deep end...
21st_Century_Occultist
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12/3/2013 11:07:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/3/2013 11:04:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Look at the World around you and look at a science textbook. Everything in the natural World, every single particle of matter, functions according to Universal Laws of science. If the Big Bang and random processes caused everything to exist, you would not find such harmonious laws governing how everything works, you would find chaos and confusion everywhere.

Obviously the World cannot be explained by chance, nor can the existence of such laws be created by physical necessity. This leads us to a designer of the cosmos. It would be quite illogical to assume that eevrything is governed by law through chance alone. You would find places where the laws of physics are different, but you cannot find such things in this universe. Everything works like clockwork. This alone is proof of something behind this universe.

By harmonious laws you mean disease, war, depression, as well as exploding stars and black holes? Weird view of harmonious! There's nothing too grand about natural laws, they're just the way things are.
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YYW
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12/3/2013 11:26:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/3/2013 11:07:57 PM, 21st_Century_Occultist wrote:
At 12/3/2013 11:04:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Look at the World around you and look at a science textbook. Everything in the natural World, every single particle of matter, functions according to Universal Laws of science. If the Big Bang and random processes caused everything to exist, you would not find such harmonious laws governing how everything works, you would find chaos and confusion everywhere.

Obviously the World cannot be explained by chance, nor can the existence of such laws be created by physical necessity. This leads us to a designer of the cosmos. It would be quite illogical to assume that eevrything is governed by law through chance alone. You would find places where the laws of physics are different, but you cannot find such things in this universe. Everything works like clockwork. This alone is proof of something behind this universe.

By harmonious laws you mean disease, war, depression, as well as exploding stars and black holes? Weird view of harmonious! There's nothing too grand about natural laws, they're just the way things are.

This is stupid. You also have a stupid username.
Composer
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12/3/2013 11:27:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
My concept is that Susan the Supernatural alien created absolutely everything!

Best of all also she isn't the Jealous kind!

I could be wrong but so far my evidence has not been legitimately refuted!
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12/4/2013 12:37:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/3/2013 11:04:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Look at the World around you and look at a science textbook. Everything in the natural World, every single particle of matter, functions according to Universal Laws of science. If the Big Bang and random processes caused everything to exist, you would not find such harmonious laws governing how everything works, you would find chaos and confusion everywhere.

Obviously the World cannot be explained by chance, nor can the existence of such laws be created by physical necessity. This leads us to a designer of the cosmos. It would be quite illogical to assume that eevrything is governed by law through chance alone. You would find places where the laws of physics are different, but you cannot find such things in this universe. Everything works like clockwork. This alone is proof of something behind this universe.

If this alleged designer is omnipotent then why would he need to create laws that make our existence possible?

He could make our existence possible in an infinite array of laws, why did he choose to create those set of laws from the infinite array of possible sets available? Makes no sense does it?
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12/4/2013 12:38:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/3/2013 11:07:57 PM, 21st_Century_Occultist wrote:
At 12/3/2013 11:04:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Look at the World around you and look at a science textbook. Everything in the natural World, every single particle of matter, functions according to Universal Laws of science. If the Big Bang and random processes caused everything to exist, you would not find such harmonious laws governing how everything works, you would find chaos and confusion everywhere.

Obviously the World cannot be explained by chance, nor can the existence of such laws be created by physical necessity. This leads us to a designer of the cosmos. It would be quite illogical to assume that eevrything is governed by law through chance alone. You would find places where the laws of physics are different, but you cannot find such things in this universe. Everything works like clockwork. This alone is proof of something behind this universe.

By harmonious laws you mean disease, war, depression, as well as exploding stars and black holes? Weird view of harmonious! There's nothing too grand about natural laws, they're just the way things are.

Solid point!
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12/4/2013 1:09:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Athiests believe that dawkins richard is the almighty God created the universe and his beggoten son lawrence krauss, its like a trinity but only 2 fellows there the third one died long time a ago called darwin with epic beard. some say he isnt dead at all he is living among us in the name of is Sam Harris (he shaved his beard and looking too gay). this trinity have orgasim towards religions oftenly...
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12/4/2013 3:07:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/3/2013 11:26:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 12/3/2013 11:07:57 PM, 21st_Century_Occultist wrote:
At 12/3/2013 11:04:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Look at the World around you and look at a science textbook. Everything in the natural World, every single particle of matter, functions according to Universal Laws of science. If the Big Bang and random processes caused everything to exist, you would not find such harmonious laws governing how everything works, you would find chaos and confusion everywhere.

Obviously the World cannot be explained by chance, nor can the existence of such laws be created by physical necessity. This leads us to a designer of the cosmos. It would be quite illogical to assume that eevrything is governed by law through chance alone. You would find places where the laws of physics are different, but you cannot find such things in this universe. Everything works like clockwork. This alone is proof of something behind this universe.

By harmonious laws you mean disease, war, depression, as well as exploding stars and black holes? Weird view of harmonious! There's nothing too grand about natural laws, they're just the way things are.

This is stupid. You also have a stupid username.

Solid point!

(Dunno what happened before, apparently responded to myself haha)
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