Total Posts:33|Showing Posts:1-30|Last Page
Jump to topic:

Religion

Dazz
Posts: 1,163
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 6:35:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Here the need is to define religion, not your irrational belief/ perception.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 7:03:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 6:35:22 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Here the need is to define religion, not your irrational belief/ perception.

That is my definition, OP was asking us to define religion.
Dazz
Posts: 1,163
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 7:05:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 7:03:33 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:35:22 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Here the need is to define religion, not your irrational belief/ perception.

That is my definition, OP was asking us to define religion.

Surprised to know that you don't care about either your provided definition is rational or not.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 7:21:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 7:05:19 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:03:33 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:35:22 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Here the need is to define religion, not your irrational belief/ perception.

That is my definition, OP was asking us to define religion.

Surprised to know that you don't care about either your provided definition is rational or not.

Rational belief is a belief that has a logical basis. An irrational belief is a belief that does not have a logical basis. There is no logical proof for a god, so hence religion is an irrational belief. If there is no god, and people insist there is this means then god is imaginary.

Definitions:
rational: based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
irrational: not logical or reasonable.
TheLastMan
Posts: 140
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 7:46:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Religions don't have to have God(s). Example: Buddhism, Satanism.
Dazz
Posts: 1,163
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 7:46:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 7:21:12 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:05:19 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:03:33 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:35:22 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.


Here the need is to define religion, not your irrational belief/ perception.

That is my definition, OP was asking us to define religion.

Surprised to know that you don't care about either your provided definition is rational or not.

Rational belief is a belief that has a logical basis.
ok
An irrational belief is a belief that does not have a logical basis.
ok
Your Definition:
Irrational belief in an imaginary god.
Where is the logic. Is it rational to state it without supportive evidence?
Definitions:
rational: based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
irrational: not logical or reasonable.
Thanks for Definitions.

OP was asking to define religion. Your definition was "Irrational belief in an imaginary god." Probably you're trying to claim that your provided definition is rational but the approach you defined for your definition's rationalism doesn't seem logical by any mean.
There is no logical proof for a god,
Prove it.
so hence religion is an irrational belief.

If there is no god, and people insist there is this means then god is imaginary.
Prove your if!
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
Dazz
Posts: 1,163
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 7:53:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 7:46:17 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Religions don't have to have God(s). Example: Buddhism, Satanism.

That's the problem with "iamantheistandthat'swhy".
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 8:25:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 7:46:49 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:21:12 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:05:19 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:03:33 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:35:22 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.


Here the need is to define religion, not your irrational belief/ perception.

That is my definition, OP was asking us to define religion.

Surprised to know that you don't care about either your provided definition is rational or not.

Rational belief is a belief that has a logical basis.
ok
An irrational belief is a belief that does not have a logical basis.
ok
Your Definition:
Irrational belief in an imaginary god.
Where is the logic. Is it rational to state it without supportive evidence?
Definitions:
rational: based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
irrational: not logical or reasonable.
Thanks for Definitions.

OP was asking to define religion. Your definition was "Irrational belief in an imaginary god." Probably you're trying to claim that your provided definition is rational but the approach you defined for your definition's rationalism doesn't seem logical by any mean.
There is no logical proof for a god,
Prove it.
so hence religion is an irrational belief.

If there is no god, and people insist there is this means then god is imaginary.
Prove your if!

Why should I prove it, as if there was any logical proof for God it would have been published in scientific journals. This has never been done, so the obvious conclusion is there is no god. I follow the evidence the evidence is lacking for a god, so I do not believe there is one. If there was evidence I would look at it and asses it, however there is none.

Obviously also if you believe in a god, you should fine said god before you ask for proof. It would be beyond me in time and the word limit to disprove every god.
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 8:31:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 7:46:17 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Religions don't have to have God(s). Example: Buddhism, Satanism.

And atheism is defined as a religion by the Supreme Court of the United states. It does not mean atheism is a religion, as a religion requires doctrine.

Satanism, depends which Satanism you are talking about. One type is humanism, so more similar to atheism.

Buddhism, does have gods BTW as reincarnation is meant to eventually lead to your existence as a god.
Dazz
Posts: 1,163
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 8:40:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 8:25:13 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:46:49 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:21:12 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:05:19 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:03:33 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:35:22 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.


Here the need is to define religion, not your irrational belief/ perception.

That is my definition, OP was asking us to define religion.

Surprised to know that you don't care about either your provided definition is rational or not.

Rational belief is a belief that has a logical basis.
ok
An irrational belief is a belief that does not have a logical basis.
ok
Your Definition:
Irrational belief in an imaginary god.
Where is the logic. Is it rational to state it without supportive evidence?
Definitions:
rational: based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
irrational: not logical or reasonable.
Thanks for Definitions.

OP was asking to define religion. Your definition was "Irrational belief in an imaginary god." Probably you're trying to claim that your provided definition is rational but the approach you defined for your definition's rationalism doesn't seem logical by any mean.
There is no logical proof for a god,
Prove it.
so hence religion is an irrational belief.

If there is no god, and people insist there is this means then god is imaginary.
Prove your if!

Why should I prove it,
Because you're giving a statement (definition of religion).
as if there was any logical proof for God it would have been published in scientific journals. This has never been done, so the obvious conclusion is there is no god.
There is no logical proof for denial of God. All are assumptions and theories.
I follow the evidence the evidence is lacking for a god,
Lack of your understanding (proof that can satisfy you), doesn't prove the other side.
so I do not believe there is one. If there was evidence I would look at it and asses it, however there is none.
So you have irrational believes.

Obviously also if you believe in a god, you should fine said god before you ask for proof. It would be beyond me in time and the word limit to disprove every god.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
TheLastMan
Posts: 140
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 8:55:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 8:31:41 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:46:17 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Religions don't have to have God(s). Example: Buddhism, Satanism.

And atheism is defined as a religion by the Supreme Court of the United states. It does not mean atheism is a religion, as a religion requires doctrine.
The problem is that religion does not have any set definition. The definition of religion is subjective and it varies person to person. It makes everything complicated. There are some atheists believe atheism is a religion and there are some who don't. It depends on the person. It isn't up to other people to decide what one thinks religion is. However, God is not necessary to define something as religion.
Satanism, depends which Satanism you are talking about. One type is humanism, so more similar to atheism.

Buddhism, does have gods BTW as reincarnation is meant to eventually lead to your existence as a god.
It depends on how you define God. Furthermore, If it eventually lead my
existence as a God, then this God is not imaginary.
dadman
Posts: 272
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 10:16:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Define religion .

Religion = man inventing ways to reach to God

Christianity = God via his son reaching to man

http://dadmansabode.com...

Jesus .. the only mediator between God and man
And he (God) gave some apostles .. and some prophets .. and some evangelists .. and some teaching pastors .. for the perfecting of the saints .. for the work of the ministry .. for the edifying of the body of Christ .. till we all come in the unity of the faith .. and of the knowledge of the Son of God .. to a perfect (complete) man .. to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ . . . . Ephesians 4:12 .. http://dadmansabode.com... .. come and learn
SemperVI
Posts: 294
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 11:20:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Re-li-gion. Noun

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
synonyms:faith, belief, worship, creed;

Your welcome...
bornofgod
Posts: 11,322
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/11/2013 3:42:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 10:16:38 AM, dadman wrote:
Define religion .

Religion = man inventing ways to reach to God

Christianity = God via his son reaching to man

http://dadmansabode.com...

Jesus .. the only mediator between God and man

Religion = God's way of teaching men how to build things via His plan called the beast.

Christianity = God's plan called the beast uses Christianity to teach men how to build things with their human hands without Christians becoming saints who speak for Him.

Jesus = God's first saint out of thousands of saints who came after him to witness the invisible Christ within the mind of God and testify to our created existence as the Word of God, or Christ, or Messiah, or the Kingdom of God.
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/12/2013 12:03:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 8:40:56 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 8:25:13 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:46:49 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:21:12 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:05:19 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:03:33 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:35:22 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.


Here the need is to define religion, not your irrational belief/ perception.

That is my definition, OP was asking us to define religion.

Surprised to know that you don't care about either your provided definition is rational or not.

Rational belief is a belief that has a logical basis.
ok
An irrational belief is a belief that does not have a logical basis.
ok
Your Definition:
Irrational belief in an imaginary god.
Where is the logic. Is it rational to state it without supportive evidence?
Definitions:
rational: based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
irrational: not logical or reasonable.
Thanks for Definitions.

OP was asking to define religion. Your definition was "Irrational belief in an imaginary god." Probably you're trying to claim that your provided definition is rational but the approach you defined for your definition's rationalism doesn't seem logical by any mean.
There is no logical proof for a god,
Prove it.
so hence religion is an irrational belief.

If there is no god, and people insist there is this means then god is imaginary.
Prove your if!

Why should I prove it,
Because you're giving a statement (definition of religion).
as if there was any logical proof for God it would have been published in scientific journals. This has never been done, so the obvious conclusion is there is no god.
There is no logical proof for denial of God. All are assumptions and theories.
I follow the evidence the evidence is lacking for a god,
Lack of your understanding (proof that can satisfy you), doesn't prove the other side.
so I do not believe there is one. If there was evidence I would look at it and asses it, however there is none.
So you have irrational believes.

No I follow the facts. In fact before you broke my sentence in half I said I look at the evidence and asses it.

Obviously also if you believe in a god, you should fine said god before you ask for proof. It would be beyond me in time and the word limit to disprove every god.
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/12/2013 12:04:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 8:55:09 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 8:31:41 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:46:17 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Religions don't have to have God(s). Example: Buddhism, Satanism.

And atheism is defined as a religion by the Supreme Court of the United states. It does not mean atheism is a religion, as a religion requires doctrine.
The problem is that religion does not have any set definition. The definition of religion is subjective and it varies person to person. It makes everything complicated. There are some atheists believe atheism is a religion and there are some who don't. It depends on the person. It isn't up to other people to decide what one thinks religion is. However, God is not necessary to define something as religion.
Satanism, depends which Satanism you are talking about. One type is humanism, so more similar to atheism.

Buddhism, does have gods BTW as reincarnation is meant to eventually lead to your existence as a god.
It depends on how you define God. Furthermore, If it eventually lead my
existence as a God, then this God is not imaginary.

But then you have to believe in reincarnation and there is not proof for reincarnation.
TheLastMan
Posts: 140
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/12/2013 1:05:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/12/2013 12:04:19 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 8:55:09 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 8:31:41 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:46:17 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Religions don't have to have God(s). Example: Buddhism, Satanism.

And atheism is defined as a religion by the Supreme Court of the United states. It does not mean atheism is a religion, as a religion requires doctrine.
The problem is that religion does not have any set definition. The definition of religion is subjective and it varies person to person. It makes everything complicated. There are some atheists believe atheism is a religion and there are some who don't. It depends on the person. It isn't up to other people to decide what one thinks religion is. However, God is not necessary to define something as religion.
Satanism, depends which Satanism you are talking about. One type is humanism, so more similar to atheism.

Buddhism, does have gods BTW as reincarnation is meant to eventually lead to your existence as a god.
It depends on how you define God. Furthermore, If it eventually lead my
existence as a God, then this God is not imaginary.

But then you have to believe in reincarnation and there is not proof for reincarnation.

My point is that religions don't have to have God(s)[supernatural being, the creator] Unless you are difining God in a different way. It's another problem. "God" also have no set definition. Okay, in the web dictionary, it says "1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
2. Details of belief as taught or discussed"
and in this (http://i.word.com...), it says "(1):the service and worship of God or the supernatural(2):commitment or devotion to religiousfaith or observance2:a personal set or institutionalized system of religiousattitudes, beliefs, and practices3archaic:scrupulous conformity: conscientiousness4:a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" "natural religion
Function:noun
a religion validated on the basis of human reason and experience apart from miraculous or supernatural revelation ;specif:a religion that is universally discernible by all men through the use of human reason apart from any special revelation" As you can see, it is really difficult to define religion. Finally, please, read this: http://atheism.about.com...
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/12/2013 3:18:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/12/2013 1:05:38 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/12/2013 12:04:19 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 8:55:09 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 8:31:41 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:46:17 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Religions don't have to have God(s). Example: Buddhism, Satanism.

And atheism is defined as a religion by the Supreme Court of the United states. It does not mean atheism is a religion, as a religion requires doctrine.
The problem is that religion does not have any set definition. The definition of religion is subjective and it varies person to person. It makes everything complicated. There are some atheists believe atheism is a religion and there are some who don't. It depends on the person. It isn't up to other people to decide what one thinks religion is. However, God is not necessary to define something as religion.
Satanism, depends which Satanism you are talking about. One type is humanism, so more similar to atheism.

Buddhism, does have gods BTW as reincarnation is meant to eventually lead to your existence as a god.
It depends on how you define God. Furthermore, If it eventually lead my
existence as a God, then this God is not imaginary.

But then you have to believe in reincarnation and there is not proof for reincarnation.

My point is that religions don't have to have God(s)[supernatural being, the creator] Unless you are difining God in a different way. It's another problem. "God" also have no set definition. Okay, in the web dictionary, it says "1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
2. Details of belief as taught or discussed"
and in this (http://i.word.com...), it says "(1):the service and worship of God or the supernatural(2):commitment or devotion to religiousfaith or observance2:a personal set or institutionalized system of religiousattitudes, beliefs, and practices3archaic:scrupulous conformity: conscientiousness4:a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" "natural religion
Function:noun
a religion validated on the basis of human reason and experience apart from miraculous or supernatural revelation ;specif:a religion that is universally discernible by all men through the use of human reason apart from any special revelation" As you can see, it is really difficult to define religion. Finally, please, read this: http://atheism.about.com...

I agree it is difficult to define a god, for example I can call my computer god and as such I have evidence for god. I think however, everyone knows what we mean when we say god.

Thanks for a fun discussion :)
Dazz
Posts: 1,163
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/12/2013 6:00:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/12/2013 12:03:21 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:

Oh dear, how creepy you're. Look I'm going to complete your sentence back, still I have same meanings, and you've same problem.

I follow the evidence the evidence is lacking for a god, so I do not believe there is one. If there was evidence I would look at it and asses it, however there is none.
Lack of your understanding (proof that can satisfy you), doesn't prove the other side.
So you have irrational believes, because if someone doesn't told you that there is a man in a room, will you start believing that there is no man in the room? There is a problem with your belief and reasoning.

No I follow the facts. In fact before you broke my sentence in half I said I look at the evidence and asses it.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/12/2013 6:04:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/12/2013 6:00:14 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/12/2013 12:03:21 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:

Oh dear, how creepy you're. Look I'm going to complete your sentence back, still I have same meanings, and you've same problem.

I follow the evidence the evidence is lacking for a god, so I do not believe there is one. If there was evidence I would look at it and asses it, however there is none.
Lack of your understanding (proof that can satisfy you), doesn't prove the other side.
So you have irrational believes, because if someone doesn't told you that there is a man in a room, will you start believing that there is no man in the room? There is a problem with your belief and reasoning.

No I follow the facts. In fact before you broke my sentence in half I said I look at the evidence and asses it.

N, as the evidence from what I see would tell me there is a man in the room. Just as when I am doing experiments in my lab. My reactions do not speak to me, but I do observe what is going on. However, when I look for god there is nothing.
Dazz
Posts: 1,163
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/12/2013 6:49:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/12/2013 6:04:39 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/12/2013 6:00:14 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/12/2013 12:03:21 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:

Oh dear, how creepy you're. Look I'm going to complete your sentence back, still I have same meanings, and you've same problem.

I follow the evidence the evidence is lacking for a god, so I do not believe there is one. If there was evidence I would look at it and asses it, however there is none.
Lack of your understanding (proof that can satisfy you), doesn't prove the other side.
So you have irrational believes, because if someone doesn't told you that there is a man in a room, will you start believing that there is no man in the room? There is a problem with your belief and reasoning.

No I follow the facts. In fact before you broke my sentence in half I said I look at the evidence and asses it.

N, as the evidence from what I see would tell me there is a man in the room.
Just as when I am doing experiments in my lab. My reactions do not speak to me, but I do observe what is going on. However, when I look for god there is nothing.
So here your action is "looking" and the "reaction" you can observe is nothing. You must be blind then. I mean have you ever seen the "pain", when you look for pain there is nothing, right? You must say now, no you can't see it (pain) but it is actually there. Right!

And obviously there're signs for people of understanding, all around us.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
TheLastMan
Posts: 140
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/12/2013 12:35:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/12/2013 3:18:50 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/12/2013 1:05:38 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/12/2013 12:04:19 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 8:55:09 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 8:31:41 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 7:46:17 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
At 12/11/2013 6:01:55 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/11/2013 4:52:18 AM, TheLastMan wrote:
Define religion.

Irrational belief in an imaginary god.

Religions don't have to have God(s). Example: Buddhism, Satanism.

And atheism is defined as a religion by the Supreme Court of the United states. It does not mean atheism is a religion, as a religion requires doctrine.
The problem is that religion does not have any set definition. The definition of religion is subjective and it varies person to person. It makes everything complicated. There are some atheists believe atheism is a religion and there are some who don't. It depends on the person. It isn't up to other people to decide what one thinks religion is. However, God is not necessary to define something as religion.
Satanism, depends which Satanism you are talking about. One type is humanism, so more similar to atheism.

Buddhism, does have gods BTW as reincarnation is meant to eventually lead to your existence as a god.
It depends on how you define God. Furthermore, If it eventually lead my
existence as a God, then this God is not imaginary.

But then you have to believe in reincarnation and there is not proof for reincarnation.

My point is that religions don't have to have God(s)[supernatural being, the creator] Unless you are difining God in a different way. It's another problem. "God" also have no set definition. Okay, in the web dictionary, it says "1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
2. Details of belief as taught or discussed"
and in this (http://i.word.com...), it says "(1):the service and worship of God or the supernatural(2):commitment or devotion to religiousfaith or observance2:a personal set or institutionalized system of religiousattitudes, beliefs, and practices3archaic:scrupulous conformity: conscientiousness4:a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" "natural religion
Function:noun
a religion validated on the basis of human reason and experience apart from miraculous or supernatural revelation ;specif:a religion that is universally discernible by all men through the use of human reason apart from any special revelation" As you can see, it is really difficult to define religion. Finally, please, read this: http://atheism.about.com...

I agree it is difficult to define a god, for example I can call my computer god and as such I have evidence for god. I think however, everyone knows what we mean when we say god.

Thanks for a fun discussion :)

Yeah.. You're welcome :)
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Posts: 720
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/12/2013 6:23:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/12/2013 6:49:07 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/12/2013 6:04:39 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/12/2013 6:00:14 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/12/2013 12:03:21 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:

Oh dear, how creepy you're. Look I'm going to complete your sentence back, still I have same meanings, and you've same problem.

I follow the evidence the evidence is lacking for a god, so I do not believe there is one. If there was evidence I would look at it and asses it, however there is none.
Lack of your understanding (proof that can satisfy you), doesn't prove the other side.
So you have irrational believes, because if someone doesn't told you that there is a man in a room, will you start believing that there is no man in the room? There is a problem with your belief and reasoning.

No I follow the facts. In fact before you broke my sentence in half I said I look at the evidence and asses it.

N, as the evidence from what I see would tell me there is a man in the room.
Just as when I am doing experiments in my lab. My reactions do not speak to me, but I do observe what is going on. However, when I look for god there is nothing.
So here your action is "looking" and the "reaction" you can observe is nothing. You must be blind then. I mean have you ever seen the "pain", when you look for pain there is nothing, right? You must say now, no you can't see it (pain) but it is actually there. Right!

And obviously there're signs for people of understanding, all around us.

Actually pain can be chemically understood by monitoring levels of dopamine in the brain.
http://www.sciencedaily.com...
Just as monitoring a chemical reaction can be done using spectroscopic and other visualization techniques.

All these "signs" can be understood scientifically. Yet when people claim signs for god, there is never scientifically reproducible facts.
Dazz
Posts: 1,163
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/15/2013 12:52:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/12/2013 6:23:33 PM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/12/2013 6:49:07 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/12/2013 6:04:39 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:
At 12/12/2013 6:00:14 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/12/2013 12:03:21 AM, iamanatheistandthisiswhy wrote:

Oh dear, how creepy you're. Look I'm going to complete your sentence back, still I have same meanings, and you've same problem.

I follow the evidence the evidence is lacking for a god, so I do not believe there is one. If there was evidence I would look at it and asses it, however there is none.
Lack of your understanding (proof that can satisfy you), doesn't prove the other side.
So you have irrational believes, because if someone doesn't told you that there is a man in a room, will you start believing that there is no man in the room? There is a problem with your belief and reasoning.

No I follow the facts. In fact before you broke my sentence in half I said I look at the evidence and asses it.

N, as the evidence from what I see would tell me there is a man in the room.
Just as when I am doing experiments in my lab. My reactions do not speak to me, but I do observe what is going on. However, when I look for god there is nothing.
So here your action is "looking" and the "reaction" you can observe is nothing. You must be blind then. I mean have you ever seen the "pain", when you look for pain there is nothing, right? You must say now, no you can't see it (pain) but it is actually there. Right!

And obviously there're signs for people of understanding, all around us.

Actually pain can be chemically understood by monitoring levels of dopamine in the brain.
http://www.sciencedaily.com...
Just as monitoring a chemical reaction can be done using spectroscopic and other visualization techniques.

All these "signs" can be understood scientifically. Yet when people claim signs for god, there is never scientifically reproducible facts.

Dear, more you understand the science, more you are exploring the signs of Almighty.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~