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12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM
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Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?
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12/30/2013 7:53:53 PM
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At 12/30/2013 7:42:47 PM, muslimnomore wrote:
8.5 inches. This is the average soul size for keyboard warriors.. purportedly.

haha this is terrible. I feel bad for laughing at it.

Also the soul is measured by volume
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12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...
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12/30/2013 8:15:01 PM
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At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

Can you link to the passage you are referring to.

Does an obese person have a bigger soul than an emaciated person?
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12/30/2013 8:41:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 8:15:01 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

Can you link to the passage you are referring to.
http://www.biblegateway.com...
Does an obese person have a bigger soul than an emaciated person?

yes a fat person would have a bigger soul.
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12/30/2013 8:51:10 PM
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At 12/30/2013 8:41:25 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:15:01 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

Can you link to the passage you are referring to.
http://www.biblegateway.com...
Does an obese person have a bigger soul than an emaciated person?

yes a fat person would have a bigger soul.

I don't see anything in those passages talking about the size of the soul.

Also I suppose a divergence of thought on the concept of hell between us would be whether or not that should be taken literally. In other words that because portions of his body that I assume you are directly associating with the soul feel pain, therefore the soul is the same size and represents something that can feel pain as well.

Instead, assuming hell exists, I don't see why any of these direct physical parallels would need to exist at all. The soul (like hell) is an entirely spiritual entity, therefore there is no reason to characterize it with physical attributes related to size. Doing so only seems to minimize the spiritual nature of it.

Anyways, I didn't really intend to get into a theological discussion on it. Just seems to be a shallow way to view the soul, in the same way the question of "how big is god" would be a shallow way to view god.

Of course, I'm not actually asserted the truth nor the existence of any of these things.
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12/30/2013 9:01:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

You know that's not true. The point of Luke 16 is clear (to everyone but a Jehovah's Witness), but there is some "literary license" employed such as "lifted up his eyes". That there is a spirit in man I do not deny, but I do deny that one can measure the length and breadth of it. If so, it must get bigger as a child grows - and shrink if one loses weight.
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12/30/2013 9:01:57 PM
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At 12/30/2013 7:42:47 PM, muslimnomore wrote:
8.5 inches. This is the average soul size for keyboard warriors.. purportedly.

That's because keyboard warriors are known for having three inches worth of imagination.
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12/30/2013 9:20:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

To throw a wrench into this, Judaism believes that each person has two souls - the animal-like one and the godlike one.
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12/30/2013 9:31:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 9:20:46 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

To throw a wrench into this, Judaism believes that each person has two souls - the animal-like one and the godlike one.

Not true. What you are referring to is the "yetzer harah" and the "yetzer hatov", essentially "the good inclination" and the "bad inclination".

Neither of these refer to the soul though, but a persons desire to draw close to things that are good for their soul (which in this belief context only wants to be drawn closer to god) or to things that are bad, and move them further away.
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12/30/2013 9:33:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 9:20:46 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

To throw a wrench into this, Judaism believes that each person has two souls - the animal-like one and the godlike one.

To further clarify, I'd say it's better defined as saying a person has two "spirits". One that wishes to do good, and one that misuses the world for negative purposes.

Either way it isn't referring to the soul and is simply an expression for something that is self-evident.
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12/30/2013 9:37:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

You cannot determine what a soul does or doesn't appear to be in volume size whatever. It's clearly something you cannot see.
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12/30/2013 9:49:24 PM
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At 12/30/2013 9:33:37 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:20:46 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

To throw a wrench into this, Judaism believes that each person has two souls - the animal-like one and the godlike one.

To further clarify, I'd say it's better defined as saying a person has two "spirits". One that wishes to do good, and one that misuses the world for negative purposes.

Either way it isn't referring to the soul and is simply an expression for something that is self-evident.

I don't make a distinction between spirits and souls. They're pretty much the same thing for all intents and purposes.
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12/30/2013 9:55:58 PM
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At 12/30/2013 9:49:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:33:37 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:20:46 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

To throw a wrench into this, Judaism believes that each person has two souls - the animal-like one and the godlike one.

To further clarify, I'd say it's better defined as saying a person has two "spirits". One that wishes to do good, and one that misuses the world for negative purposes.

Either way it isn't referring to the soul and is simply an expression for something that is self-evident.

I don't make a distinction between spirits and souls. They're pretty much the same thing for all intents and purposes.

Well there is a distinction in Judaism, so I guess that's where our disagreement is. I also didn't mean to say a spirit in the conventional religious sense. Simply that one is drawn to do either good or bad, and these inclinations are represented by two "forces" if you will. But in no way are they the "soul", and Judaism certainly doesn't believe that is the case.
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12/30/2013 10:07:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

There's no such thing as mass, space or time in the mind of our Creator where we exist as His thoughts. What we see are only illusions that appear to be mass, space and time.
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12/30/2013 10:49:34 PM
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At 12/30/2013 9:01:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

You know that's not true. The point of Luke 16 is clear (to everyone but a Jehovah's Witness), but there is some "literary license" employed such as "lifted up his eyes". That there is a spirit in man I do not deny, but I do deny that one can measure the length and breadth of it. If so, it must get bigger as a child grows - and shrink if one loses weight.

And why wouldn't it? it was possible to drink water in the passage.
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12/30/2013 10:50:53 PM
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At 12/30/2013 9:55:58 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:49:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:33:37 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:20:46 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

To throw a wrench into this, Judaism believes that each person has two souls - the animal-like one and the godlike one.

To further clarify, I'd say it's better defined as saying a person has two "spirits". One that wishes to do good, and one that misuses the world for negative purposes.

Either way it isn't referring to the soul and is simply an expression for something that is self-evident.

I don't make a distinction between spirits and souls. They're pretty much the same thing for all intents and purposes.

Well there is a distinction in Judaism, so I guess that's where our disagreement is. I also didn't mean to say a spirit in the conventional religious sense. Simply that one is drawn to do either good or bad, and these inclinations are represented by two "forces" if you will. But in no way are they the "soul", and Judaism certainly doesn't believe that is the case.

Regardless of that, I didn't think it was so much 'good' and 'bad' as godly and animalistic. The pleasures of the animal spirit weren't necessarily bad - they just didn't enhance the connection to God. I mean, Judaism doesn't have a hell - 'bad' souls linger in purgatory until they are cleansed and can enter heaven. (That was my Jewish education, anyway.)
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12/30/2013 10:52:17 PM
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At 12/30/2013 10:49:34 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:01:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

You know that's not true. The point of Luke 16 is clear (to everyone but a Jehovah's Witness), but there is some "literary license" employed such as "lifted up his eyes". That there is a spirit in man I do not deny, but I do deny that one can measure the length and breadth of it. If so, it must get bigger as a child grows - and shrink if one loses weight.

And why wouldn't it? it was possible to drink water in the passage.

It's figurative
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12/30/2013 10:56:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 10:52:17 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:49:34 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:01:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

You know that's not true. The point of Luke 16 is clear (to everyone but a Jehovah's Witness), but there is some "literary license" employed such as "lifted up his eyes". That there is a spirit in man I do not deny, but I do deny that one can measure the length and breadth of it. If so, it must get bigger as a child grows - and shrink if one loses weight.

And why wouldn't it? it was possible to drink water in the passage.

It's figurative

why? because you cant believe that about the soul? if its figurative then why did Jesus use a name, Lazarus?
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12/30/2013 10:58:08 PM
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At 12/30/2013 10:50:53 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:55:58 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:49:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:33:37 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:20:46 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

To throw a wrench into this, Judaism believes that each person has two souls - the animal-like one and the godlike one.

To further clarify, I'd say it's better defined as saying a person has two "spirits". One that wishes to do good, and one that misuses the world for negative purposes.

Either way it isn't referring to the soul and is simply an expression for something that is self-evident.

I don't make a distinction between spirits and souls. They're pretty much the same thing for all intents and purposes.

Well there is a distinction in Judaism, so I guess that's where our disagreement is. I also didn't mean to say a spirit in the conventional religious sense. Simply that one is drawn to do either good or bad, and these inclinations are represented by two "forces" if you will. But in no way are they the "soul", and Judaism certainly doesn't believe that is the case.

Regardless of that, I didn't think it was so much 'good' and 'bad' as godly and animalistic. The pleasures of the animal spirit weren't necessarily bad - they just didn't enhance the connection to God. I mean, Judaism doesn't have a hell - 'bad' souls linger in purgatory until they are cleansed and can enter heaven. (That was my Jewish education, anyway.)

I think this is a closer explanation for it. But I think the statement of "two souls" is still incorrect. Otherwise I don't disagree with anything you have said here as my own Jewish education taught similarly.
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12/30/2013 11:08:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 10:56:35 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:52:17 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:49:34 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:01:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

You know that's not true. The point of Luke 16 is clear (to everyone but a Jehovah's Witness), but there is some "literary license" employed such as "lifted up his eyes". That there is a spirit in man I do not deny, but I do deny that one can measure the length and breadth of it. If so, it must get bigger as a child grows - and shrink if one loses weight.

And why wouldn't it? it was possible to drink water in the passage.

It's figurative

why? because you cant believe that about the soul? if its figurative then why did Jesus use a name, Lazarus?

I did not say that the entire narrative was figurative. Much of it is not. However, it is generally conceded that the body of Lazarus was dead when this narrative took place.

Is your position that a spirit is somehow cooled off by placing water on the spirit's tongue? Do you contend that a spirit has eyes, literally?

Yes, there really was a rich man. Yes, there was a beggar named Lazarus. Yes, they both died. Yes, the rich man was able to recognize both Lazarus and Abraham. It is the conversation that ensued which employs figurative elements. The narrative takes place, of course, before the resurrection of the body - and none of the spirits described literally possessed a body.
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12/30/2013 11:17:16 PM
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At 12/30/2013 10:58:08 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:50:53 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:55:58 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:49:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:33:37 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:20:46 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

To throw a wrench into this, Judaism believes that each person has two souls - the animal-like one and the godlike one.

To further clarify, I'd say it's better defined as saying a person has two "spirits". One that wishes to do good, and one that misuses the world for negative purposes.

Either way it isn't referring to the soul and is simply an expression for something that is self-evident.

I don't make a distinction between spirits and souls. They're pretty much the same thing for all intents and purposes.

Well there is a distinction in Judaism, so I guess that's where our disagreement is. I also didn't mean to say a spirit in the conventional religious sense. Simply that one is drawn to do either good or bad, and these inclinations are represented by two "forces" if you will. But in no way are they the "soul", and Judaism certainly doesn't believe that is the case.

Regardless of that, I didn't think it was so much 'good' and 'bad' as godly and animalistic. The pleasures of the animal spirit weren't necessarily bad - they just didn't enhance the connection to God. I mean, Judaism doesn't have a hell - 'bad' souls linger in purgatory until they are cleansed and can enter heaven. (That was my Jewish education, anyway.)

I think this is a closer explanation for it. But I think the statement of "two souls" is still incorrect. Otherwise I don't disagree with anything you have said here as my own Jewish education taught similarly.

If we're differentiating between spirits and souls, you're correct. That was my mistake.
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12/30/2013 11:28:15 PM
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At 12/30/2013 11:08:55 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:56:35 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:52:17 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:49:34 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:01:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

You know that's not true. The point of Luke 16 is clear (to everyone but a Jehovah's Witness), but there is some "literary license" employed such as "lifted up his eyes". That there is a spirit in man I do not deny, but I do deny that one can measure the length and breadth of it. If so, it must get bigger as a child grows - and shrink if one loses weight.

And why wouldn't it? it was possible to drink water in the passage.

It's figurative

why? because you cant believe that about the soul? if its figurative then why did Jesus use a name, Lazarus?

I did not say that the entire narrative was figurative. Much of it is not. However, it is generally conceded that the body of Lazarus was dead when this narrative took place.

Is your position that a spirit is somehow cooled off by placing water on the spirit's tongue? Do you contend that a spirit has eyes, literally?

Yes, there really was a rich man. Yes, there was a beggar named Lazarus. Yes, they both died. Yes, the rich man was able to recognize both Lazarus and Abraham. It is the conversation that ensued which employs figurative elements. The narrative takes place, of course, before the resurrection of the body - and none of the spirits described literally possessed a body.

I contend that that souls have eyes. A person has a body, soul, AND spirit. 3 distinctions like the trinity-1 thessalonians 5:23.
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12/30/2013 11:36:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 11:28:15 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 11:08:55 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:56:35 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:52:17 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:49:34 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:01:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

You know that's not true. The point of Luke 16 is clear (to everyone but a Jehovah's Witness), but there is some "literary license" employed such as "lifted up his eyes". That there is a spirit in man I do not deny, but I do deny that one can measure the length and breadth of it. If so, it must get bigger as a child grows - and shrink if one loses weight.

And why wouldn't it? it was possible to drink water in the passage.

It's figurative

why? because you cant believe that about the soul? if its figurative then why did Jesus use a name, Lazarus?

I did not say that the entire narrative was figurative. Much of it is not. However, it is generally conceded that the body of Lazarus was dead when this narrative took place.

Is your position that a spirit is somehow cooled off by placing water on the spirit's tongue? Do you contend that a spirit has eyes, literally?

Yes, there really was a rich man. Yes, there was a beggar named Lazarus. Yes, they both died. Yes, the rich man was able to recognize both Lazarus and Abraham. It is the conversation that ensued which employs figurative elements. The narrative takes place, of course, before the resurrection of the body - and none of the spirits described literally possessed a body.

I contend that that souls have eyes. A person has a body, soul, AND spirit. 3 distinctions like the trinity-1 thessalonians 5:23.

Do you mean figurative "eyes" in that they are able to recognize by some means? I'd agree to that. Or do you mean literal eyes with a pupil, retina, etc?
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12/30/2013 11:39:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 11:36:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 11:28:15 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 11:08:55 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:56:35 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:52:17 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:49:34 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:01:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

You know that's not true. The point of Luke 16 is clear (to everyone but a Jehovah's Witness), but there is some "literary license" employed such as "lifted up his eyes". That there is a spirit in man I do not deny, but I do deny that one can measure the length and breadth of it. If so, it must get bigger as a child grows - and shrink if one loses weight.

And why wouldn't it? it was possible to drink water in the passage.

It's figurative

why? because you cant believe that about the soul? if its figurative then why did Jesus use a name, Lazarus?

I did not say that the entire narrative was figurative. Much of it is not. However, it is generally conceded that the body of Lazarus was dead when this narrative took place.

Is your position that a spirit is somehow cooled off by placing water on the spirit's tongue? Do you contend that a spirit has eyes, literally?

Yes, there really was a rich man. Yes, there was a beggar named Lazarus. Yes, they both died. Yes, the rich man was able to recognize both Lazarus and Abraham. It is the conversation that ensued which employs figurative elements. The narrative takes place, of course, before the resurrection of the body - and none of the spirits described literally possessed a body.

I contend that that souls have eyes. A person has a body, soul, AND spirit. 3 distinctions like the trinity-1 thessalonians 5:23.

Do you mean figurative "eyes" in that they are able to recognize by some means? I'd agree to that. Or do you mean literal eyes with a pupil, retina, etc?

able to see somehow. i dont see the passage as a parable because jesus always would say it was a parable before talking about it
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12/31/2013 12:14:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 9:01:57 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:42:47 PM, muslimnomore wrote:
8.5 inches. This is the average soul size for keyboard warriors.. purportedly.

That's because keyboard warriors are known for having three inches worth of imagination.

And tiny penises.
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12/31/2013 2:17:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 11:39:50 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 11:36:52 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 11:28:15 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 11:08:55 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:56:35 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:52:17 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 10:49:34 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 9:01:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 8:02:01 PM, Ruckmanite wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:12:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
Well so many of you have one, is it the size of a dust particle or the size of an elephant?
It allegedly learns and grows, does this correspond with your learning and growing?

the size of that person's body. read luke 16 of the rich man in hell. he has eyes, ears, mouth, touch, can see, feel, hurt, etc...

You know that's not true. The point of Luke 16 is clear (to everyone but a Jehovah's Witness), but there is some "literary license" employed such as "lifted up his eyes". That there is a spirit in man I do not deny, but I do deny that one can measure the length and breadth of it. If so, it must get bigger as a child grows - and shrink if one loses weight.

And why wouldn't it? it was possible to drink water in the passage.

It's figurative

why? because you cant believe that about the soul? if its figurative then why did Jesus use a name, Lazarus?

I did not say that the entire narrative was figurative. Much of it is not. However, it is generally conceded that the body of Lazarus was dead when this narrative took place.

Is your position that a spirit is somehow cooled off by placing water on the spirit's tongue? Do you contend that a spirit has eyes, literally?

Yes, there really was a rich man. Yes, there was a beggar named Lazarus. Yes, they both died. Yes, the rich man was able to recognize both Lazarus and Abraham. It is the conversation that ensued which employs figurative elements. The narrative takes place, of course, before the resurrection of the body - and none of the spirits described literally possessed a body.

I contend that that souls have eyes. A person has a body, soul, AND spirit. 3 distinctions like the trinity-1 thessalonians 5:23.

Do you mean figurative "eyes" in that they are able to recognize by some means? I'd agree to that. Or do you mean literal eyes with a pupil, retina, etc?

able to see somehow. i dont see the passage as a parable because jesus always would say it was a parable before talking about it

I do not see it as a parable, either.
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12/31/2013 2:20:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Anna: " Do you mean figurative "eyes" in that they are able to recognize by some means? I'd agree to that. Or do you mean literal eyes with a pupil, retina, etc?

Ruckman: able to see somehow. i dont see the passage as a parable because jesus always would say it was a parable before talking about it"


Anna: Do you mean literal eyes?
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12/31/2013 4:00:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/30/2013 9:01:57 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/30/2013 7:42:47 PM, muslimnomore wrote:
8.5 inches. This is the average soul size for keyboard warriors.. purportedly.

That's because keyboard warriors are known for having three inches worth of imagination.

Hey! How did you know i had a ...err... i mean, yeah.. those keyboard warriors and their small peni... uhm.. imaginations.