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Free will or predestination

Paradox_7
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12/31/2013 4:45:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/31/2013 4:33:03 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
Is it possible to maintain free will if God is omniscient and has predetermined your final outcome?

Are you referring to the libertarian form of free-will?
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biomystic
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12/31/2013 4:46:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
No. There is no free will. It is the illusion of time bound creatures who cannot see the future. Creation is a closed system, a done deal, and we are living out our lives Scripted within the unfolding of time and space from Big Bang beginning to Black Hole annihilation.
superflymegastallion
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12/31/2013 4:47:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/31/2013 4:45:48 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 12/31/2013 4:33:03 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
Is it possible to maintain free will if God is omniscient and has predetermined your final outcome?

Are you referring to the libertarian form of free-will?
I don't know what that is. So I guess not.
Paradox_7
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12/31/2013 4:52:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/31/2013 4:47:42 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 12/31/2013 4:45:48 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 12/31/2013 4:33:03 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
Is it possible to maintain free will if God is omniscient and has predetermined your final outcome?

Are you referring to the libertarian form of free-will?
I don't know what that is. So I guess not.

It's the most popular one. Anyone who actually uses the term Free-will tends to mean libertarian free-will.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org...

If that's what you mean, then I'd say no, free-will isn't compatible, and doesn't actually exist.

If you take a look at the compatibilist view, though, I'd say yes.

See: http://www.monergism.com...
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
Rational_Thinker9119
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12/31/2013 5:37:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/31/2013 4:33:03 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
Is it possible to maintain free will if God is omniscient and has predetermined your final outcome?

Yes, it is.

God knows you are going to chose Coke today, but if you chose Pepsi, he would have known that. You can chose either one; you are completely free.

The thing is, God knowing you will do X doesn't cause you to do X. The fact that you are going to do X, causes God's knowledge of it. God's knowledge depends on that whatever you chose, whatever you chose isn't dependent on God's knowledge.
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12/31/2013 7:42:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/31/2013 4:33:03 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
Is it possible to maintain free will if God is omniscient and has predetermined your final outcome?

If I go back in time 1 day ago. I know you're going to post this thread. I don't see how that means you didn't freely choose to make this thread.
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biomystic
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12/31/2013 8:16:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Silly talk. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, and God created the Universe, then there cannot logically be any free will. It's all known to God and we are players playing out our Scripted roles in the Grand Illusion called existence in time and space.
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12/31/2013 9:51:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/31/2013 5:37:49 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 12/31/2013 4:33:03 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
Is it possible to maintain free will if God is omniscient and has predetermined your final outcome?

Yes, it is.

God knows you are going to chose Coke today, but if you chose Pepsi, he would have known that. You can chose either one; you are completely free.

The thing is, God knowing you will do X doesn't cause you to do X. The fact that you are going to do X, causes God's knowledge of it. God's knowledge depends on that whatever you chose, whatever you chose isn't dependent on God's knowledge.

But god knowing that your destination is hell and creating you anyway is god's little joke.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/31/2013 9:59:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/31/2013 9:51:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/31/2013 5:37:49 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 12/31/2013 4:33:03 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
Is it possible to maintain free will if God is omniscient and has predetermined your final outcome?

Yes, it is.

God knows you are going to chose Coke today, but if you chose Pepsi, he would have known that. You can chose either one; you are completely free.

The thing is, God knowing you will do X doesn't cause you to do X. The fact that you are going to do X, causes God's knowledge of it. God's knowledge depends on that whatever you chose, whatever you chose isn't dependent on God's knowledge.

But god knowing that your destination is hell and creating you anyway is god's little joke.

Perhaps.
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1/1/2014 7:06:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/31/2013 9:59:08 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 12/31/2013 9:51:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/31/2013 5:37:49 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 12/31/2013 4:33:03 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
Is it possible to maintain free will if God is omniscient and has predetermined your final outcome?

Yes, it is.

God knows you are going to chose Coke today, but if you chose Pepsi, he would have known that. You can chose either one; you are completely free.

The thing is, God knowing you will do X doesn't cause you to do X. The fact that you are going to do X, causes God's knowledge of it. God's knowledge depends on that whatever you chose, whatever you chose isn't dependent on God's knowledge.

But god knowing that your destination is hell and creating you anyway is god's little joke.

Perhaps.

So what free will decision can you make that will change your destination?
If you can't and you can't if god's omniscient, then what good is your free will?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin