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dattaswami
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1/1/2014 10:46:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Dual Behaviour Represents Two Components Existing in Incarnation

Devotee: God is the Father of all the human beings. The father is always selfish and partial towards his children due to excess love. Similarly, God must be also selfish and partial since He has infinite love towards His children, who are the human beings. Then, how to say that God is impartial and non-selfish?

Swami replied: The main point is about the real love. The father in this world does not have real love towards his children. The real love is always recognised in the purification of the soul. If the defects of the children are not given punishments impartially, such love is not real. If the father saves the child from the punishment, the love is false. The father generally scolds and punishes his children for the wrong deeds. But if the son committed a murder, will any father hand over him to the police? In such case, the father will hide him and tries to save him from the punishment. But, God is not like that. God gives punishments to his children as per their sins without any partiality. Both father and God reward their children for their merits and this context cannot differentiate God and father.

God has the real love towards His children since His aim is always to uplift the soul through purification rendered by punishments. Punishment for the sin is not for revenge. It is only for the transformation and development of the soul. Punishment should be treated as reward. In fact, reward may introduce ego. But, punishment destroys the ego and imparts purification, resulting in progress. Hence, punishment is a better reward. The kindness behind the punishments is more than the kindness behind the rewards. A friend, who praises you, is always dangerous since he tries to push ego into yourself. An enemy is the real friend, who always criticizes your sin since he develops the careful attitude in you. Hence, God is the real father, who is always a real friend.

Basically, you must develop the attitude to avoid blaming God in any matter because logically and legally it is untenable. How can you blame God, who is unimaginable? The creation including the human beings is imaginable phase. The relationship between the unimaginable creator and imaginable creation must be also unimaginable. In this world, all are imaginable items. Both the father and child are imaginable and therefore, the process of generation of the child from the father is imaginable. The relationship between two imaginable items is also imaginable. Even if you take the unimaginable God as imaginable since the unimaginable God identifies Himself with an imaginable medium, you cannot blame God as you have seen in the above explanation. People lacking the patience to analyse impartially and deeply always try to blame God. Even theists and devotees blame God in the occasions of excess tragic grief. They do not understand the infinite kindness of God in giving the punishments in order to transform the soul for better development. Therefore, you should always thank God more in difficulties.
biomystic
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1/2/2014 10:21:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Utter patriarchal bullshiite from beginning to end. Justifying idiotic male supremacy, justifying psychologically proven BAD parental teaching, corporal punishment proven only to produce more bad behavioral adults.

This is what happens when the past is allowed to rule the present and future. This is what happens when the ideas of ancient men are allowed to override modern science that advances upon the accumulation of knowledge.

We have only to look at those countries where this type of Bad Religion is being practiced to see how it naturally generates violence as it attempts to override God's natural propensity for human beings to want to be FREE to develop as each one's potential demands and not the ideas or rules of males always seeking to control potential rivals in a male dominated animal world disguised as "civilization".
dattaswami
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1/2/2014 10:58:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The Lord says in the Bible "Revenge is mine" which means that the Lord punishes the unjust people. If such punishment and revenge were not necessary and if everybody could be transformed only by preaching, then what is the necessity of the existence of hell and "liquid fire"?

If there was a possibility of transformation only by love and knowledge, why would the Lord mention the word "revenge" at all? Therefore it is clear that there are some sinners who cannot be transformed by love and knowledge.

At 1/2/2014 10:21:10 AM, biomystic wrote:
Utter patriarchal bullshiite from beginning to end. Justifying idiotic male supremacy, justifying psychologically proven BAD parental teaching, corporal punishment proven only to produce more bad behavioral adults.

This is what happens when the past is allowed to rule the present and future. This is what happens when the ideas of ancient men are allowed to override modern science that advances upon the accumulation of knowledge.

We have only to look at those countries where this type of Bad Religion is being practiced to see how it naturally generates violence as it attempts to override God's natural propensity for human beings to want to be FREE to develop as each one's potential demands and not the ideas or rules of males always seeking to control potential rivals in a male dominated animal world disguised as "civilization".
bornofgod
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1/2/2014 3:42:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/1/2014 10:46:55 PM, dattaswami wrote:
Dual Behaviour Represents Two Components Existing in Incarnation

Devotee: God is the Father of all the human beings. The father is always selfish and partial towards his children due to excess love. Similarly, God must be also selfish and partial since He has infinite love towards His children, who are the human beings. Then, how to say that God is impartial and non-selfish?

Swami replied: The main point is about the real love. The father in this world does not have real love towards his children. The real love is always recognised in the purification of the soul. If the defects of the children are not given punishments impartially, such love is not real. If the father saves the child from the punishment, the love is false. The father generally scolds and punishes his children for the wrong deeds. But if the son committed a murder, will any father hand over him to the police? In such case, the father will hide him and tries to save him from the punishment. But, God is not like that. God gives punishments to his children as per their sins without any partiality. Both father and God reward their children for their merits and this context cannot differentiate God and father.

God has the real love towards His children since His aim is always to uplift the soul through purification rendered by punishments. Punishment for the sin is not for revenge. It is only for the transformation and development of the soul. Punishment should be treated as reward. In fact, reward may introduce ego. But, punishment destroys the ego and imparts purification, resulting in progress. Hence, punishment is a better reward. The kindness behind the punishments is more than the kindness behind the rewards. A friend, who praises you, is always dangerous since he tries to push ego into yourself. An enemy is the real friend, who always criticizes your sin since he develops the careful attitude in you. Hence, God is the real father, who is always a real friend.

Basically, you must develop the attitude to avoid blaming God in any matter because logically and legally it is untenable. How can you blame God, who is unimaginable? The creation including the human beings is imaginable phase. The relationship between the unimaginable creator and imaginable creation must be also unimaginable. In this world, all are imaginable items. Both the father and child are imaginable and therefore, the process of generation of the child from the father is imaginable. The relationship between two imaginable items is also imaginable. Even if you take the unimaginable God as imaginable since the unimaginable God identifies Himself with an imaginable medium, you cannot blame God as you have seen in the above explanation. People lacking the patience to analyse impartially and deeply always try to blame God. Even theists and devotees blame God in the occasions of excess tragic grief. They do not understand the infinite kindness of God in giving the punishments in order to transform the soul for better development. Therefore, you should always thank God more in difficulties.

God is the only one we should be blaming because He's the Creator of everything. Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the serpent. Neither of them blamed the one who created them.
superflymegastallion
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1/2/2014 4:36:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/2/2014 3:42:34 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/1/2014 10:46:55 PM, dattaswami wrote:
Dual Behaviour Represents Two Components Existing in Incarnation

Devotee: God is the Father of all the human beings. The father is always selfish and partial towards his children due to excess love. Similarly, God must be also selfish and partial since He has infinite love towards His children, who are the human beings. Then, how to say that God is impartial and non-selfish?

Swami replied: The main point is about the real love. The father in this world does not have real love towards his children. The real love is always recognised in the purification of the soul. If the defects of the children are not given punishments impartially, such love is not real. If the father saves the child from the punishment, the love is false. The father generally scolds and punishes his children for the wrong deeds. But if the son committed a murder, will any father hand over him to the police? In such case, the father will hide him and tries to save him from the punishment. But, God is not like that. God gives punishments to his children as per their sins without any partiality. Both father and God reward their children for their merits and this context cannot differentiate God and father.

God has the real love towards His children since His aim is always to uplift the soul through purification rendered by punishments. Punishment for the sin is not for revenge. It is only for the transformation and development of the soul. Punishment should be treated as reward. In fact, reward may introduce ego. But, punishment destroys the ego and imparts purification, resulting in progress. Hence, punishment is a better reward. The kindness behind the punishments is more than the kindness behind the rewards. A friend, who praises you, is always dangerous since he tries to push ego into yourself. An enemy is the real friend, who always criticizes your sin since he develops the careful attitude in you. Hence, God is the real father, who is always a real friend.

Basically, you must develop the attitude to avoid blaming God in any matter because logically and legally it is untenable. How can you blame God, who is unimaginable? The creation including the human beings is imaginable phase. The relationship between the unimaginable creator and imaginable creation must be also unimaginable. In this world, all are imaginable items. Both the father and child are imaginable and therefore, the process of generation of the child from the father is imaginable. The relationship between two imaginable items is also imaginable. Even if you take the unimaginable God as imaginable since the unimaginable God identifies Himself with an imaginable medium, you cannot blame God as you have seen in the above explanation. People lacking the patience to analyse impartially and deeply always try to blame God. Even theists and devotees blame God in the occasions of excess tragic grief. They do not understand the infinite kindness of God in giving the punishments in order to transform the soul for better development. Therefore, you should always thank God more in difficulties.

God is the only one we should be blaming because He's the Creator of everything. Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the serpent. Neither of them blamed the one who created them.

Born,
This is the first intelligent statement I seen you make. OMG (no pun intended)! Well done sir!
bornofgod
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1/3/2014 8:34:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/2/2014 4:36:09 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 1/2/2014 3:42:34 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/1/2014 10:46:55 PM, dattaswami wrote:
Dual Behaviour Represents Two Components Existing in Incarnation

Devotee: God is the Father of all the human beings. The father is always selfish and partial towards his children due to excess love. Similarly, God must be also selfish and partial since He has infinite love towards His children, who are the human beings. Then, how to say that God is impartial and non-selfish?

Swami replied: The main point is about the real love. The father in this world does not have real love towards his children. The real love is always recognised in the purification of the soul. If the defects of the children are not given punishments impartially, such love is not real. If the father saves the child from the punishment, the love is false. The father generally scolds and punishes his children for the wrong deeds. But if the son committed a murder, will any father hand over him to the police? In such case, the father will hide him and tries to save him from the punishment. But, God is not like that. God gives punishments to his children as per their sins without any partiality. Both father and God reward their children for their merits and this context cannot differentiate God and father.

God has the real love towards His children since His aim is always to uplift the soul through purification rendered by punishments. Punishment for the sin is not for revenge. It is only for the transformation and development of the soul. Punishment should be treated as reward. In fact, reward may introduce ego. But, punishment destroys the ego and imparts purification, resulting in progress. Hence, punishment is a better reward. The kindness behind the punishments is more than the kindness behind the rewards. A friend, who praises you, is always dangerous since he tries to push ego into yourself. An enemy is the real friend, who always criticizes your sin since he develops the careful attitude in you. Hence, God is the real father, who is always a real friend.

Basically, you must develop the attitude to avoid blaming God in any matter because logically and legally it is untenable. How can you blame God, who is unimaginable? The creation including the human beings is imaginable phase. The relationship between the unimaginable creator and imaginable creation must be also unimaginable. In this world, all are imaginable items. Both the father and child are imaginable and therefore, the process of generation of the child from the father is imaginable. The relationship between two imaginable items is also imaginable. Even if you take the unimaginable God as imaginable since the unimaginable God identifies Himself with an imaginable medium, you cannot blame God as you have seen in the above explanation. People lacking the patience to analyse impartially and deeply always try to blame God. Even theists and devotees blame God in the occasions of excess tragic grief. They do not understand the infinite kindness of God in giving the punishments in order to transform the soul for better development. Therefore, you should always thank God more in difficulties.

God is the only one we should be blaming because He's the Creator of everything. Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the serpent. Neither of them blamed the one who created them.

Born,
This is the first intelligent statement I seen you make. OMG (no pun intended)! Well done sir!

Maybe this is all you can handle from the Truth for now. Believers weren't made to understand everything that us saints know. It's only the connection that's needed to cause jealousy in unbelievers who eventually get angry enough to have my body killed.