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1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM
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I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)
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1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM
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At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader, this is the root cause of their organized chaos! No one can speak for the whole!
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1/4/2014 2:47:03 AM
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At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)
Roman Catholics are unorthodox that is why they are left footers.
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1/4/2014 5:29:41 AM
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At 1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
The bible Story book jebus was an eternal Jew!

Born a Jew!
Lived as a practising Jew!
Died a Jew!

The apostles were never advised to start a new church, but to continue to practise their Jewish faith, which they all did!

The ' church ' of Story book jebus was NOT to be a building where people gathered to pray! Conversely, the church of jebus was no literal building at all, but rather the body of believers who were in fact commanded to Pray in secret, especially in their own home behind closed doors!

Matt. 6:5-6, 8

The catholics disobey this, and instead make spectacles of themselves openly as did the other hypocrites jebus admonished -

"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love *x5.1 to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. *x5.2 Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. (Matt. 6:5) ESV Story book

Dogknox is also one of these jebus' rejected hypocrites!
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1/4/2014 5:50:50 AM
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At 1/4/2014 5:29:41 AM, Composer wrote:
At 1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
The bible Story book jebus was an eternal Jew!

Born a Jew!
Lived as a practising Jew!
Died a Jew!

The apostles were never advised to start a new church, but to continue to practise their Jewish faith, which they all did!

The ' church ' of Story book jebus was NOT to be a building where people gathered to pray! Conversely, the church of jebus was no literal building at all, but rather the body of believers who were in fact commanded to Pray in secret, especially in their own home behind closed doors!

Matt. 6:5-6, 8

The catholics disobey this, and instead make spectacles of themselves openly as did the other hypocrites jebus admonished -

"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love *x5.1 to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. *x5.2 Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. (Matt. 6:5) ESV Story book

Dogknox is also one of these jebus' rejected hypocrites!

You forget the part where he was rejected by Jews
Condemned by Jews
and crucified because of Jewish accusations.....

Jesus,the Son of Man, was also teacher of Jewish Law, but the Jews themselves are too deluded in thinking that the Law of Moses alone is enough.

Catholics celebrate mass openly, but they pray privately also.

The verse was against Pharisees who only prayed so that others will praise them as Holy men.
Seat of Wisdom, pray for us who turn to you!

Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.-St.Thomas Aquinas
All the darkness in the world cannot extinguish the light of a single candle.~ St.Francis of Assisi
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1/4/2014 5:59:22 AM
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At 1/4/2014 2:47:03 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)
Roman Catholics are unorthodox that is why they are left footers.

What seems to be the problem?Jesus was against orthodoxy all his life and radically altered Judaism.
Seat of Wisdom, pray for us who turn to you!

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1/4/2014 6:01:31 AM
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At 1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader, this is the root cause of their organized chaos! No one can speak for the whole!

All the more reson why they could benefit greatly from coming back into the Catholic, apostolic church.

What can the current Pope do to change this attitude?
Seat of Wisdom, pray for us who turn to you!

Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.-St.Thomas Aquinas
All the darkness in the world cannot extinguish the light of a single candle.~ St.Francis of Assisi
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1/4/2014 11:26:46 AM
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At 1/4/2014 6:01:31 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
At 1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader, this is the root cause of their organized chaos! No one can speak for the whole!

All the more reson why they could benefit greatly from coming back into the Catholic, apostolic church.

What can the current Pope do to change this attitude?
CynicalDiogenes It has been hundreds of years....

The Catholic Church CANNOT change doctrine... The pope is infallible on issues of "Faith and Morals"!
It will take logic and common sense on the part of the Orthodox.... They will have to accept the Authority of the pope on "Faith and Morals", this does not mean the pope cannot make exceptions in their Patriarchal Authority on all other issues! (I hope this makes sense)
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1/4/2014 12:56:09 PM
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At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

Wasn't the word "filioque" a big disagreement? How Catholics say in their creed that the holy spirit "proceeds from the father and the son," whereas Orthodox say the holy spirit "proceeds from the father."

And also, the Orthodox priests all grow badass beards.
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1/4/2014 11:06:04 PM
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At 1/4/2014 5:29:41 AM, Composer wrote:
At 1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
The bible Story book jebus was an eternal Jew!

Born a Jew!
Lived as a practising Jew!
Died a Jew!

The apostles were never advised to start a new church, but to continue to practise their Jewish faith, which they all did!

The ' church ' of Story book jebus was NOT to be a building where people gathered to pray! Conversely, the church of jebus was no literal building at all, but rather the body of believers who were in fact commanded to Pray in secret, especially in their own home behind closed doors!

Matt. 6:5-6, 8

The catholics disobey this, and instead make spectacles of themselves openly as did the other hypocrites jebus admonished -

"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love *x5.1 to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. *x5.2 Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. (Matt. 6:5) ESV Story book

Dogknox is also one of these jebus' rejected hypocrites!

At 1/4/2014 5:50:50 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
You forget the part where he was rejected by Jews
Condemned by Jews
By some sure!

There are failures in most ideologies but that doesn't detract from the Story book fact jebus , his family & closest associates were Jews! & jebus was born, lived & died as an eternal Jew!

At 1/4/2014 5:50:50 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
and crucified because of Jewish accusations.....
I thought it was your god's plans?

At 1/4/2014 5:50:50 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
Jesus,the Son of Man, was also teacher of Jewish Law, but the Jews themselves are too deluded in thinking that the Law of Moses alone is enough.
Then jebus the eternal Jew was amongst the deluded for remaining a faithful Jew?

At 1/4/2014 5:50:50 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
Catholics celebrate mass openly, but they pray privately also.
Five Bob each way LMAO!

At 1/4/2014 5:50:50 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
The verse was against Pharisees who only prayed so that others will praise them as Holy men.
So too with the catholic hierarchy that condoned & practised most abominations hence the Courts and tribunals currently investigating them at last!
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1/4/2014 11:18:22 PM
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At 1/4/2014 11:26:46 AM, Dogknox wrote:
The Catholic Church CANNOT change doctrine... The pope is infallible on issues of "Faith and Morals
You should therefore be able to resolve the following moral contradictions:

"Following his death, Pope Honorious I was denounced as a heretic by the Sixth Council in AD 680. Pope Leo confirmed his condemnation. If the Pope was a heretic, why was he leading the Church in the first place?

"Pope Vigilius, after condemning certain books, first removed his condemnation, then re-instated it, retracted it a second time, and finally re-instated it once more.

"Dueling was authorized by Pope Eugenius III (1145-53). But later, Pope Julius II (1509) and Pope Pius IV (1506) forbade it.

"In 1378, Italian cardinals elected Urban VI, while the French cardinals chose Clement VII. The popes cursed each other year after year until a council deposed both and elected another.

"Pope Sixtus V had a version of the Bible prepared which he declared to be authoritative. Two years later Pope Clement VIII declared that it was full of errors and ordered another to be made.

"Pope Hadrian II (867-872) declared civil marriages to be valid, but Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) condemned them as invalid.

"Pope Eugene IV (1431-1447) condemned Joan of Arc to be burned at the stake as a witch. Later, another pope, Benedict IV, declared her to be a saint. (Questions courtesy of Evangelion)
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1/5/2014 4:30:41 AM
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At 1/4/2014 11:18:22 PM, Composer wrote:
At 1/4/2014 11:26:46 AM, Dogknox wrote:
The Catholic Church CANNOT change doctrine... The pope is infallible on issues of "Faith and Morals
You should therefore be able to resolve the following moral contradictions:

"Following his death, Pope Honorious I was denounced as a heretic by the Sixth Council in AD 680. Pope Leo confirmed his condemnation. If the Pope was a heretic, why was he leading the Church in the first place?

"Pope Vigilius, after condemning certain books, first removed his condemnation, then re-instated it, retracted it a second time, and finally re-instated it once more.

"Dueling was authorized by Pope Eugenius III (1145-53). But later, Pope Julius II (1509) and Pope Pius IV (1506) forbade it.

"In 1378, Italian cardinals elected Urban VI, while the French cardinals chose Clement VII. The popes cursed each other year after year until a council deposed both and elected another.

"Pope Sixtus V had a version of the Bible prepared which he declared to be authoritative. Two years later Pope Clement VIII declared that it was full of errors and ordered another to be made.

"Pope Hadrian II (867-872) declared civil marriages to be valid, but Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) condemned them as invalid.

"Pope Eugene IV (1431-1447) condemned Joan of Arc to be burned at the stake as a witch. Later, another pope, Benedict IV, declared her to be a saint. (Questions courtesy of Evangelion)

I think you first need to understand what infallibility is.All the things examples you gave speak of Papal impeccability.This is not the case.The popes can sin from time to time, and can make mistakes .He is only infallible when he teaches something about the nature of God and declares it as Dogma, only those things that are recorded in Papal Bulls , encyclicals and ex-cathedra statements made by the Pope are infallible.

If a Pope makes a statement that contradicts the infallible declarations of his predecessors, then he becomes a heretic himself.

I challenge you to quote the actual papal encyclical,Bull or the exact document name of these examples, and see if they were infallible or not.
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1/5/2014 8:24:07 AM
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Jesus was a HUMAN BEING! GoD IS NOT A MAN MONKEY SNAKE OR COW! THERE IS NO ONE LIKE TO HIM
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1/19/2014 9:15:12 AM
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At 1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader, this is the root cause of their organized chaos! No one can speak for the whole!

Actually, Paul the Apostle and Augustine of Hippo, were the founders of Catholicism, and the values of Christ were their inspiration/foundation on which it was built. Catholicism was invented 1-2 years after the death of Christ, not while he was alive.

Also, this argument is highly offensive to other religions and you seem like quite an angered fellow when it comes to Orthodox Christians.
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1/19/2014 9:28:00 AM
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At 1/4/2014 5:50:50 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
At 1/4/2014 5:29:41 AM, Composer wrote:
At 1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
The bible Story book jebus was an eternal Jew!

Born a Jew!
Lived as a practising Jew!
Died a Jew!

The apostles were never advised to start a new church, but to continue to practise their Jewish faith, which they all did!

The ' church ' of Story book jebus was NOT to be a building where people gathered to pray! Conversely, the church of jebus was no literal building at all, but rather the body of believers who were in fact commanded to Pray in secret, especially in their own home behind closed doors!

Matt. 6:5-6, 8

The catholics disobey this, and instead make spectacles of themselves openly as did the other hypocrites jebus admonished -

"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love *x5.1 to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. *x5.2 Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. (Matt. 6:5) ESV Story book

Dogknox is also one of these jebus' rejected hypocrites!

You forget the part where he was rejected by Jews
Condemned by Jews
and crucified because of Jewish accusations.....

Jesus,the Son of Man, was also teacher of Jewish Law, but the Jews themselves are too deluded in thinking that the Law of Moses alone is enough.

Catholics celebrate mass openly, but they pray privately also.

The verse was against Pharisees who only prayed so that others will praise them as Holy men.

Uhm excuse me, but this is a rather pointless argument, as anyone who is Christian knows, Christianity is the descendent of Judaism. For anyone, at the time of Christ, who found himself believing in the god of Abraham, was Jewish. Islam was not founded until 257 years after the death of Christ. Also, being the grandson of 2 Jewish people, and having many friends of the Jewish faith, I find it rather offensive of the way you speak about Jews, as if they are lesser/responsible for the death of Christ. You seek to condemn the entire religion and it's people for what the opinions of few were. This is not good thinking, and this is the type of thinking that, believe it or not, starts dislike for, then hate for, and then the murder of a people. It really does.
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1/19/2014 9:29:29 AM
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At 1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader, this is the root cause of their organized chaos! No one can speak for the whole!

Also one speaking for the whole, is exactly what the Pope does for Catholics, so that doesn't make ant sense.
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1/19/2014 9:47:32 AM
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At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

Agreement upon the same standard, with appeals made to the same standard. Also, agree upon universal definitions of words and phrases.

Dogknox said, "Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader."

I'll reply that in my experience Catholics have a totally different view of the authority of the scriptures than any other sect. In the end, when the dust clears, most Catholics place their trust not in the scriptures at all. Most of them are relatively ignorant when it come to the scriptures. Why? Well, despite the rumblings about infallibility of the pope, ex cathedra, etc., they all believe they are in an infallible church.
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1/19/2014 11:21:49 AM
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At 1/19/2014 9:28:00 AM, DavidGothay wrote:
At 1/4/2014 5:50:50 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
At 1/4/2014 5:29:41 AM, Composer wrote:
At 1/3/2014 11:39:38 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus!
The bible Story book jebus was an eternal Jew!

Born a Jew!
Lived as a practising Jew!
Died a Jew!

The apostles were never advised to start a new church, but to continue to practise their Jewish faith, which they all did!

The ' church ' of Story book jebus was NOT to be a building where people gathered to pray! Conversely, the church of jebus was no literal building at all, but rather the body of believers who were in fact commanded to Pray in secret, especially in their own home behind closed doors!

Matt. 6:5-6, 8

The catholics disobey this, and instead make spectacles of themselves openly as did the other hypocrites jebus admonished -

"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love *x5.1 to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. *x5.2 Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. (Matt. 6:5) ESV Story book

Dogknox is also one of these jebus' rejected hypocrites!

You forget the part where he was rejected by Jews
Condemned by Jews
and crucified because of Jewish accusations.....

Jesus,the Son of Man, was also teacher of Jewish Law, but the Jews themselves are too deluded in thinking that the Law of Moses alone is enough.

Catholics celebrate mass openly, but they pray privately also.

The verse was against Pharisees who only prayed so that others will praise them as Holy men.

Uhm excuse me, but this is a rather pointless argument, as anyone who is Christian knows, Christianity is the descendent of Judaism. For anyone, at the time of Christ, who found himself believing in the god of Abraham, was Jewish. Islam was not founded until 257 years after the death of Christ. Also, being the grandson of 2 Jewish people, and having many friends of the Jewish faith, I find it rather offensive of the way you speak about Jews, as if they are lesser/responsible for the death of Christ. You seek to condemn the entire religion and it's people for what the opinions of few were. This is not good thinking, and this is the type of thinking that, believe it or not, starts dislike for, then hate for, and then the murder of a people. It really does.

Why do you simply seem to assume that I am somehow against all Jews?When did I ever say that
I just completely agreed that Jesus was a teacher of *Jewish* Law.Composer seems to claim that Jesus's teaching is somehow the same as Judaism.I was responding to that.

While I accept the fact that all Jews are not responsible for the death of Jesus.It is a well known and accepted fact that the leaders of the Jews were solely responsible for his death.

it is a plain and simple fact that it was the Germans who were responsible for the Holocaust.

Stating this fact does not mean that I think all Germans are murderers.

Nevertheless,I am sorry if you felt offended.
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1/19/2014 2:58:22 PM
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"While I accept the fact that all Jews are not responsible for the death of Jesus.It is a well known and accepted fact that the leaders of the Jews were solely responsible for his death."

The Jews have a sort-of "transferred responsibility" for the crucifixion of Christ, not individually, but as a system.

"So when Pilate saw that he prevailed nothing, but rather that a tumult was arising, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this righteous man; see ye to it. And all the people answered and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Then released he unto them Barabbas; but Jesus he scourged and delivered to be crucified."

As a consequence of the actions of a relative few, the entire system was brought down by God utilizing the forces of Titus in AD 70: a national sin evoked a national punishment. The result? Not a single "Jew" today can prove that he is a Jew by ancestry. No Jew can link himself with Abraham as they could in the 1st century.
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1/19/2014 4:10:19 PM
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At 1/19/2014 9:47:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

Agreement upon the same standard, with appeals made to the same standard. Also, agree upon universal definitions of words and phrases.

Dogknox said, "Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader."

I'll reply that in my experience Catholics have a totally different view of the authority of the scriptures than any other sect. In the end, when the dust clears, most Catholics place their trust not in the scriptures at all. Most of them are relatively ignorant when it come to the scriptures. Why? Well, despite the rumblings about infallibility of the pope, ex cathedra, etc., they all believe they are in an infallible church.

Remember, while the bible was a brilliant moral guide for the people at the time, it was written give or take 2000 years ago. Not all of it is still relevant, and someone has to decide which bits are still relevant and which bits are. That is the pope's job.
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1/19/2014 6:27:00 PM
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At 1/19/2014 9:47:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

Agreement upon the same standard, with appeals made to the same standard. Also, agree upon universal definitions of words and phrases.

Dogknox said, "Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader."

I'll reply that in my experience Catholics have a totally different view of the authority of the scriptures than any other sect. In the end, when the dust clears, most Catholics place their trust not in the scriptures at all.......................................
Why would they feel under the authority of a book created by them? Why do other sects believe this book contains all authority?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/19/2014 6:45:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 6:27:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/19/2014 9:47:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

Agreement upon the same standard, with appeals made to the same standard. Also, agree upon universal definitions of words and phrases.

Dogknox said, "Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader."

I'll reply that in my experience Catholics have a totally different view of the authority of the scriptures than any other sect. In the end, when the dust clears, most Catholics place their trust not in the scriptures at all.......................................
Why would they feel under the authority of a book created by them? Why do other sects believe this book contains all authority?

Perhaps because they didn't create it? You seem to think that if a person binds together the laws of the United States, then that person is above the law.

I guess we'll start with the The Diatessaron, circa 170 AD or so. This book contains the four gospels, universally accepted by all Christians.

Did the Catholic Church collect the four gospels? If so, prove it.

Prove the existence of the Catholic Church by citing references to them in profane literature at the time - or any time - prior to AD 170.

Prove that Taitan was a member of the Catholic Church

Were the four gospels harmonized in Tatian's Diatessaron believed and taught as inspired scripture without sanction by any group of people known as Catholics or the Catholic Church?

I guess we'll go step-by-step. We'll see if the haughty claim made by the Catholic Church that it alone separated inspired from uninspired scriptures holds up. Those questions should take care of the four gospel accounts.

Oh, wait:

How did Taitan know NOT to include the false gospels, since the Catholic Church wasn't around to instruct him?
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1/19/2014 6:58:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 6:45:20 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:27:00 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/19/2014 9:47:32 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/3/2014 7:24:12 AM, CynicalDiogenes wrote:
I want to know what is it that still separates the Catholic and the Orthodox christian faiths other than the Primacy of the Pope, and what should the current pope do to get those differences reconciled.(If reconciliation is possible)

Agreement upon the same standard, with appeals made to the same standard. Also, agree upon universal definitions of words and phrases.

Dogknox said, "Orthodox christian faiths do not have any central leadership or any single human leader."

I'll reply that in my experience Catholics have a totally different view of the authority of the scriptures than any other sect. In the end, when the dust clears, most Catholics place their trust not in the scriptures at all.......................................
Why would they feel under the authority of a book created by them? Why do other sects believe this book contains all authority?

Perhaps because they didn't create it? You seem to think that if a person binds together the laws of the United States, then that person is above the law.

I guess we'll start with the The Diatessaron, circa 170 AD or so. This book contains the four gospels, universally accepted by all Christians.

Did the Catholic Church collect the four gospels? If so, prove it.

Prove the existence of the Catholic Church by citing references to them in profane literature at the time - or any time - prior to AD 170.

Prove that Taitan was a member of the Catholic Church

Were the four gospels harmonized in Tatian's Diatessaron believed and taught as inspired scripture without sanction by any group of people known as Catholics or the Catholic Church?

I guess we'll go step-by-step. We'll see if the haughty claim made by the Catholic Church that it alone separated inspired from uninspired scriptures holds up. Those questions should take care of the four gospel accounts.

Oh, wait:

How did Taitan know NOT to include the false gospels, since the Catholic Church wasn't around to instruct him?
So your claim is now that Tatian compiled the bible? Four gospels and ten epistles? It gets tough don't it?
Clement of Rome writing in 95AD makes no reference to the gospels but refers to some of Pauls epistles as wise counsel not scripture.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/19/2014 7:21:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Allow me to answer your question, since you obviously do not understand the concept. Tis a common affliction around here.

So your claim is now that Tatian compiled the bible?

Did I say that? Did I say anything remotely resembling that? I'm setting out to prove that the so-called "Catholic Church" had nothing at all with compiling the four gospels. I'll do the same thing with the rest of the scriptures.

Four gospels and ten epistles?

Just the four gospel accounts .... one gospel ... four accounts of it.

It gets tough don't it?

Based upon your answers, I'd say so.

************

I guess we'll start with the The Diatessaron, circa 170 AD or so. This book contains the four gospels, universally accepted by all Christians.

Did the Catholic Church collect the four gospels? If so, prove it.

Prove the existence of the Catholic Church by citing references to them in profane literature at the time - or any time - prior to AD 170.

Prove that Taitan was a member of the Catholic Church

Were the four gospels harmonized in Tatian's Diatessaron believed and taught as inspired scripture without sanction by any group of people known as Catholics or the Catholic Church?

I guess we'll go step-by-step. We'll see if the haughty claim made by the Catholic Church that it alone separated inspired from uninspired scriptures holds up. Those questions should take care of the four gospel accounts.

Oh, wait:

How did Taitan know NOT to include the false gospels, since the Catholic Church wasn't around to instruct him?
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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1/19/2014 7:41:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:21:14 PM, annanicole wrote:
Allow me to answer your question, since you obviously do not understand the concept. Tis a common affliction around here.

So your claim is now that Tatian compiled the bible?

Did I say that? Did I say anything remotely resembling that? I'm setting out to prove that the so-called "Catholic Church" had nothing at all with compiling the four gospels. I'll do the same thing with the rest of the scriptures.

Four gospels and ten epistles?

Just the four gospel accounts .... one gospel ... four accounts of it.

It gets tough don't it?

Based upon your answers, I'd say so.

************

I guess we'll start with the The Diatessaron, circa 170 AD or so. This book contains the four gospels, universally accepted by all Christians.

Did the Catholic Church collect the four gospels? If so, prove it.

Prove the existence of the Catholic Church by citing references to them in profane literature at the time - or any time - prior to AD 170.

Prove that Taitan was a member of the Catholic Church

Were the four gospels harmonized in Tatian's Diatessaron believed and taught as inspired scripture without sanction by any group of people known as Catholics or the Catholic Church?

I guess we'll go step-by-step. We'll see if the haughty claim made by the Catholic Church that it alone separated inspired from uninspired scriptures holds up. Those questions should take care of the four gospel accounts.

Oh, wait:

How did Taitan know NOT to include the false gospels, since the Catholic Church wasn't around to instruct him?
For brevity let's assume I answer all of your questions the way you want them answered.
Was The Shepherd believed and taught as inspired scripture?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/19/2014 8:02:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:41:43 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:21:14 PM, annanicole wrote:
Allow me to answer your question, since you obviously do not understand the concept. Tis a common affliction around here.

So your claim is now that Tatian compiled the bible?

Did I say that? Did I say anything remotely resembling that? I'm setting out to prove that the so-called "Catholic Church" had nothing at all with compiling the four gospels. I'll do the same thing with the rest of the scriptures.

Four gospels and ten epistles?

Just the four gospel accounts .... one gospel ... four accounts of it.

It gets tough don't it?

Based upon your answers, I'd say so.

************

I guess we'll start with the The Diatessaron, circa 170 AD or so. This book contains the four gospels, universally accepted by all Christians.

Did the Catholic Church collect the four gospels? If so, prove it.

Prove the existence of the Catholic Church by citing references to them in profane literature at the time - or any time - prior to AD 170.

Prove that Taitan was a member of the Catholic Church

Were the four gospels harmonized in Tatian's Diatessaron believed and taught as inspired scripture without sanction by any group of people known as Catholics or the Catholic Church?

I guess we'll go step-by-step. We'll see if the haughty claim made by the Catholic Church that it alone separated inspired from uninspired scriptures holds up. Those questions should take care of the four gospel accounts.

Oh, wait:

How did Taitan know NOT to include the false gospels, since the Catholic Church wasn't around to instruct him?
For brevity let's assume I answer all of your questions the way you want them answered.
Was The Shepherd believed and taught as inspired scripture?

The Shepherd, the Epistle of Barnabas, and others were cited by some early Christians as authoritative.

The fact remains that you have thus far admitted that we have the gospel accounts - Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John - independent of the Catholic Church. That's a start. I think you'll wind up conceding Acts and the Epistles of Paul. That will account for 18 out of 27 books. We're 67% of the way home - with no Catholic Church.
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1/19/2014 8:09:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:02:12 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:41:43 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:21:14 PM, annanicole wrote:
Allow me to answer your question, since you obviously do not understand the concept. Tis a common affliction around here.

So your claim is now that Tatian compiled the bible?

Did I say that? Did I say anything remotely resembling that? I'm setting out to prove that the so-called "Catholic Church" had nothing at all with compiling the four gospels. I'll do the same thing with the rest of the scriptures.

Four gospels and ten epistles?

Just the four gospel accounts .... one gospel ... four accounts of it.

It gets tough don't it?

Based upon your answers, I'd say so.

************

I guess we'll start with the The Diatessaron, circa 170 AD or so. This book contains the four gospels, universally accepted by all Christians.

Did the Catholic Church collect the four gospels? If so, prove it.

Prove the existence of the Catholic Church by citing references to them in profane literature at the time - or any time - prior to AD 170.

Prove that Taitan was a member of the Catholic Church

Were the four gospels harmonized in Tatian's Diatessaron believed and taught as inspired scripture without sanction by any group of people known as Catholics or the Catholic Church?

I guess we'll go step-by-step. We'll see if the haughty claim made by the Catholic Church that it alone separated inspired from uninspired scriptures holds up. Those questions should take care of the four gospel accounts.

Oh, wait:

How did Taitan know NOT to include the false gospels, since the Catholic Church wasn't around to instruct him?
For brevity let's assume I answer all of your questions the way you want them answered.
Was The Shepherd believed and taught as inspired scripture?

The Shepherd, the Epistle of Barnabas, and others were cited by some early Christians as authoritative.

The fact remains that you have thus far admitted that we have the gospel accounts - Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John - independent of the Catholic Church. That's a start. I think you'll wind up conceding Acts and the Epistles of Paul. That will account for 18 out of 27 books. We're 67% of the way home - with no Catholic Church.

And we still have absolutely nothing investing any bible with authority!
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/19/2014 8:16:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:09:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/19/2014 8:02:12 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:41:43 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:21:14 PM, annanicole wrote:
Allow me to answer your question, since you obviously do not understand the concept. Tis a common affliction around here.

So your claim is now that Tatian compiled the bible?

Did I say that? Did I say anything remotely resembling that? I'm setting out to prove that the so-called "Catholic Church" had nothing at all with compiling the four gospels. I'll do the same thing with the rest of the scriptures.

Four gospels and ten epistles?

Just the four gospel accounts .... one gospel ... four accounts of it.

It gets tough don't it?

Based upon your answers, I'd say so.

************

I guess we'll start with the The Diatessaron, circa 170 AD or so. This book contains the four gospels, universally accepted by all Christians.

Did the Catholic Church collect the four gospels? If so, prove it.

Prove the existence of the Catholic Church by citing references to them in profane literature at the time - or any time - prior to AD 170.

Prove that Taitan was a member of the Catholic Church

Were the four gospels harmonized in Tatian's Diatessaron believed and taught as inspired scripture without sanction by any group of people known as Catholics or the Catholic Church?

I guess we'll go step-by-step. We'll see if the haughty claim made by the Catholic Church that it alone separated inspired from uninspired scriptures holds up. Those questions should take care of the four gospel accounts.

Oh, wait:

How did Taitan know NOT to include the false gospels, since the Catholic Church wasn't around to instruct him?
For brevity let's assume I answer all of your questions the way you want them answered.
Was The Shepherd believed and taught as inspired scripture?

The Shepherd, the Epistle of Barnabas, and others were cited by some early Christians as authoritative.

The fact remains that you have thus far admitted that we have the gospel accounts - Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John - independent of the Catholic Church. That's a start. I think you'll wind up conceding Acts and the Epistles of Paul. That will account for 18 out of 27 books. We're 67% of the way home - with no Catholic Church.

And we still have absolutely nothing investing any bible with authority!

Christians believe that the apostles and others spoke and taught as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Nobody else does so, and the trait wasn't passed down. Since they aren't here speaking, we are left with what they wrote.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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1/19/2014 8:17:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:09:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/19/2014 8:02:12 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:41:43 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:21:14 PM, annanicole wrote:
Allow me to answer your question, since you obviously do not understand the concept. Tis a common affliction around here.

So your claim is now that Tatian compiled the bible?

Did I say that? Did I say anything remotely resembling that? I'm setting out to prove that the so-called "Catholic Church" had nothing at all with compiling the four gospels. I'll do the same thing with the rest of the scriptures.

Four gospels and ten epistles?

Just the four gospel accounts .... one gospel ... four accounts of it.

It gets tough don't it?

Based upon your answers, I'd say so.

************

I guess we'll start with the The Diatessaron, circa 170 AD or so. This book contains the four gospels, universally accepted by all Christians.

Did the Catholic Church collect the four gospels? If so, prove it.

Prove the existence of the Catholic Church by citing references to them in profane literature at the time - or any time - prior to AD 170.

Prove that Taitan was a member of the Catholic Church

Were the four gospels harmonized in Tatian's Diatessaron believed and taught as inspired scripture without sanction by any group of people known as Catholics or the Catholic Church?

I guess we'll go step-by-step. We'll see if the haughty claim made by the Catholic Church that it alone separated inspired from uninspired scriptures holds up. Those questions should take care of the four gospel accounts.

Oh, wait:

How did Taitan know NOT to include the false gospels, since the Catholic Church wasn't around to instruct him?
For brevity let's assume I answer all of your questions the way you want them answered.
Was The Shepherd believed and taught as inspired scripture?

The Shepherd, the Epistle of Barnabas, and others were cited by some early Christians as authoritative.

The fact remains that you have thus far admitted that we have the gospel accounts - Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John - independent of the Catholic Church. That's a start. I think you'll wind up conceding Acts and the Epistles of Paul. That will account for 18 out of 27 books. We're 67% of the way home - with no Catholic Church.

And we still have absolutely nothing investing any bible with authority!

But if you really want to play then the Diatessaron is a Syrian Church document, the Syrian Church is a Catholic Church so technically it is a Catholic document.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/19/2014 8:19:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
"And we still have absolutely nothing investing any bible with authority!"

Do you conclude from that that the Bible cannot possibly have any authority? I've asked what exactly you would suggest - and I do not recall your answer.
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