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1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM
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was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?
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1/24/2014 10:38:50 AM
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At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Archeologists are liars just like Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and all the flesh of man.
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1/24/2014 10:42:27 AM
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At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here?

A difference, yes.

If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

No. Bodies CAN be moved over the course of 2,000 years...and might have been moved immediately. Just finding an empty tomb wouldn't be proof "beyond doubt". The thing we know could have possibly happened is pretty much always more plausible than the thing we don't know could have possibly happened until there's really strong evidence for the not-known-to-be-possible thing that doesn't support the known-to-be-possible thing.
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1/24/2014 10:47:13 AM
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At 1/24/2014 10:42:27 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here?

A difference, yes.

If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

No. Bodies CAN be moved over the course of 2,000 years...and might have been moved immediately. Just finding an empty tomb wouldn't be proof "beyond doubt". The thing we know could have possibly happened is pretty much always more plausible than the thing we don't know could have possibly happened until there's really strong evidence for the not-known-to-be-possible thing that doesn't support the known-to-be-possible thing.

Archeologists need great artists to put together a dinosaur for them after they find a few fragments of bones, too. Does this prove there were dinosaurs living millions of years ago?
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1/24/2014 10:52:48 AM
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I have an empty grave here in my backyard maybe this is what everybody looking for...
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1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM
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At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.
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1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM
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At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.
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1/24/2014 11:00:50 AM
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At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

Jeremiah 10
14: Every man is stupid and without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols; for his images are false, and there is no breath in them.
15: They are worthless, a work of delusion; at the time of their punishment they shall perish.
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1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM
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At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that
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1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.
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1/24/2014 11:10:11 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

14: Every man is stupid and without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols; for his images are false, and there is no breath in them.
15: They are worthless, a work of delusion; at the time of their punishment they shall perish.
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1/24/2014 11:12:54 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

Your question being "If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe (i.e. would that make you believe in Jesus)?" followed by my answer. Apologies if you thought i was referring to your initial question. Still, my point stands, the fact that there is a tomb 'like' that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, that is definitely not sufficient proof that Jesus existed.
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1/24/2014 11:15:52 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

Ummm, no you haven't, not at all whatsoever. An empty grave =/= a resurrected god. It would simply be a piece of evidence that doesn't contradict the narrative. It wouldn't be sufficient to support the fantastical and, as far as we know, impossible claims of the bible.
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1/24/2014 11:17:45 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:12:54 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

that is definitely not sufficient proof that Jesus existed.

Agreed. Fortunately, the writings of Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Josephus of Favius and Tacitus are solid evidence that Jesus did exist. This is why 99.99% of historians today believe he did exist, because it is the only logical explaiantion of why there are passages about Christians following a an called Chrestus or Christus in their works.
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1/24/2014 11:19:40 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:15:52 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

Ummm, no you haven't, not at all whatsoever. An empty grave =/= a resurrected god.

What else is it proof of then? A giant rock-moving animal eating everything, including a skeleton? Are you serious?
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1/24/2014 11:21:00 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:17:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:12:54 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

that is definitely not sufficient proof that Jesus existed.

Agreed. Fortunately, the writings of Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Josephus of Favius and Tacitus are solid evidence that Jesus did exist. This is why 99.99% of historians today believe he did exist, because it is the only logical explaiantion of why there are passages about Christians following a an called Chrestus or Christus in their works.

Oy. One, that's not the "only logical explanation", but that's neither here nor there. Where did you get 99.99%? What survey?
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1/24/2014 11:22:26 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:19:40 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:15:52 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

Ummm, no you haven't, not at all whatsoever. An empty grave =/= a resurrected god.

What else is it proof of then? A giant rock-moving animal eating everything, including a skeleton? Are you serious?

You do know that bodies can be moved, right? And that rocks moved OVER a grave can also be moved AWAY (and even BACK OVER) from a grave?

An empty tomb is an empty tomb. It means there's no body there. There are any number of answers as to why that might be the case...it would keep the mythological narrative from being falsified, but it wouldn't prove it.
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1/24/2014 11:23:05 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:21:00 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:17:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:12:54 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

that is definitely not sufficient proof that Jesus existed.

Agreed. Fortunately, the writings of Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Josephus of Favius and Tacitus are solid evidence that Jesus did exist. This is why 99.99% of historians today believe he did exist, because it is the only logical explaiantion of why there are passages about Christians following a an called Chrestus or Christus in their works.

Oy. One, that's not the "only logical explanation", but that's neither here nor there. Where did you get 99.99%? What survey?

Look up "Jesus" on wikipedia. It's the first citation in the article.
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1/24/2014 11:28:46 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:23:05 AM, Installgentoo wrote:

Oy. One, that's not the "only logical explanation", but that's neither here nor there. Where did you get 99.99%? What survey?

Look up "Jesus" on wikipedia. It's the first citation in the article.

Be more specific.

The first citation in line is: "Zoll, Rachel (December 19, 2011). "Study: Christian population shifts from Europe". The Guardian."

The first citation numerically is:
"Meier, John P. (1991). A Marginal Jew: The roots of the problem and the person. Yale University Press. p. 407"

Neither of those, I don't think, are what you're talking about.

I think you're referencing citation "e", which doesn't have any kind of figure, and is just some statements from historians.
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1/24/2014 11:29:16 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:17:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:12:54 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

that is definitely not sufficient proof that Jesus existed.

Agreed. Fortunately, the writings of Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Josephus of Favius and Tacitus are solid evidence that Jesus did exist. This is why 99.99% of historians today believe he did exist, because it is the only logical explaiantion of why there are passages about Christians following a an called Chrestus or Christus in their works.

The only reason historians would believe that is because it's probably the first mention of Christianity at about 60AD? the fact that Roman historians mention christus in the works certianly doesn't stand as solid evidence that jesus did exist. Just like me quoting works from Staus, Bertschinger, Stephen Hawking and Hoyle doesn't provide solid evidence that god did not exist.
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1/24/2014 4:38:45 PM
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At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here?

Sure, by the way even in todays age their are claims that people have raised from the dead. Miracle claims are a dime a dozen, it's so easy to claim that a miracle has occurred.............happens all the time. Now actually justifying that a miracle has happened...........that's a different story.

If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

No. An empty tomb or lack of skeleton doesn't justify the claim that therefore that person raised from the dead.
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1/24/2014 4:54:33 PM
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At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Such a finding would prove nothing: it would simply be an unidentified grave with no remains in it. Many such tombs have been found.
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1/24/2014 5:11:04 PM
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If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Many such tombs have already been discovered, many are empty. There are 5 popular, well-visited archaeological sites that claim to be the real Jesus grave. There are 10's if not hundreds of alternate sites that lack tourist development, popular promotion, etc.
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Isn't this pretty much an admission that your faith is not based on the compelling quality of Jesus's sermons or on the example set by his love for mankind? Instead, your faith is based on the assertion that Jesus had magic powers. If his magic powers are proved true, than your faith is justified. Why not base your moral code on the observable world you interact with? Why not admire Jesus's philosophy without worrying about whether the magic powers were a Roman Era embellishment? From my readings of Christ words, he was not particularly concerned with promoting his own worship. Instead, he admonished people to look inward to find the peace of heaven. Forgive and forget the sins of others and concentrate instead on your own discipline, your own humility, your own charity, etc.
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1/24/2014 10:59:21 PM
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At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

1) A missing body from a tomb would only prove that there's a missing body from a tomb.
2) A proven resurrection from the dead wouldn't prove a god.
3) A proven god wouldn't prove the Christian god.
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1/25/2014 4:14:33 AM
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At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

What would it provide evidence for? That would be the question in my mind.
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1/25/2014 4:15:45 AM
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At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

Illogical.
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1/25/2014 4:16:51 AM
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At 1/24/2014 10:59:21 PM, SkepticalStardust wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

1) A missing body from a tomb would only prove that there's a missing body from a tomb.
2) A proven resurrection from the dead wouldn't prove a god.
3) A proven god wouldn't prove the Christian god.
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1/25/2014 6:54:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/24/2014 11:21:00 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:17:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:12:54 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

that is definitely not sufficient proof that Jesus existed.

Agreed. Fortunately, the writings of Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Josephus of Favius and Tacitus are solid evidence that Jesus did exist. This is why 99.99% of historians today believe he did exist, because it is the only logical explaiantion of why there are passages about Christians following a an called Chrestus or Christus in their works.

Oy. One, that's not the "only logical explanation", but that's neither here nor there. Where did you get 99.99%? What survey?
There's very little doubt that the majority of scholars agree that Jesus existed. To claim that Jesus did not exist is a stretch. There are arguments that are made to suggest that Jesus never actually existed and/or most scholars do not agree that Jesus existed, but nothing solid. One of the arguments made against the idea that the majority of scholars agree that Jesus existed is that either the claim of majority is made by people attached to the belief in the divinity of Jesus, or the majority making the claims that Jesus existed are attached to the belief in the divinity of Jesus, suggesting bias.

However, the ones making the counter-claims are generally attached to atheist activism, suggesting bias as well.

The problem with accepting the historicity of Jesus as even a mere human in history is that it opens doors to consider recorded history of Jesus' divinity. And many probably would just assume avoid that, or seek alternative propositions that Jesus Christ never existed at all.

in a nutshell, one has to actively seek alternatives to Christ's historicity because historical evidence is in favor of Jesus Christ being an historical person.
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1/25/2014 9:04:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/24/2014 11:19:40 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:15:52 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:08:10 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 11:02:28 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:56:51 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:52:55 AM, Andrew6591 wrote:
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

Of course not. That's not exactly proof of Jesus is it. On the other hand, if there was irrefutable proof (somehow) of the existence of god, then of course as an atheist, i would believe it.

This may be the stupidest post I've seen in a long while here.

and why is that

It doesn't make any sense, what do you mean by prove Jesus if you've lredy found an empty gravesite, you've proved his claim of who he was.

Ummm, no you haven't, not at all whatsoever. An empty grave =/= a resurrected god.

What else is it proof of then? A giant rock-moving animal eating everything, including a skeleton? Are you serious?

If we found an empty gravesite like the one describe in the Bible and there was a skeleton in it, would this prove to you Jesus did not rise from the grave? No, right?
Then the opposite will not be good enough for skeptics.
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1/25/2014 9:11:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/24/2014 10:37:19 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
was raised from the dead, would it make difference to the atheists here? If archeologists found a tomb like that described by the Bible and there was no skeleton in there, what would that make you believe?

They already found the tomb. And I'd have to think about it, but probably.