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2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
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2/2/2014 12:27:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

All you antichrists and false prophets are disobeying the commandments of our invisible Lord and Creator.
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2/2/2014 12:29:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 12:27:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

All you antichrists and false prophets are disobeying the commandments of our invisible Lord and Creator.

What does it mean?
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
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2/2/2014 12:31:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 12:29:02 PM, Dazz wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:27:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

All you antichrists and false prophets are disobeying the commandments of our invisible Lord and Creator.

What does it mean?

Read this prophecy about God's people who don't obey His Voice or commandments.

Deuteronomy 28
15: "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your gournd, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: "the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on accound of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land wich you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until your perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

Religious people worship false gods and idols which go against the commandments of our Creator.
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2/2/2014 12:31:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

Yep they are not in the Muslim circle... they believe that Mirza Gulam Ahmad is a prophet but its contradicts the following verse:
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"

further you can see this debate:
https://www.youtube.com...
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2/2/2014 12:33:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 12:31:19 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:29:02 PM, Dazz wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:27:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

All you antichrists and false prophets are disobeying the commandments of our invisible Lord and Creator.

What does it mean?

Read this prophecy about God's people who don't obey His Voice or commandments.

Deuteronomy 28
15: "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your gournd, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: "the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on accound of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land wich you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until your perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

Religious people worship false gods and idols which go against the commandments of our Creator.

You want me to read out just 15 and 20 #?
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
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2/2/2014 12:43:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 12:31:19 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:29:02 PM, Dazz wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:27:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

All you antichrists and false prophets are disobeying the commandments of our invisible Lord and Creator.

What does it mean?

Read this prophecy about God's people who don't obey His Voice or commandments.

Deuteronomy 28
15: "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your gournd, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: "the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on accound of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land wich you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until your perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

Religious people worship false gods and idols which go against the commandments of our Creator.

Anyhow what you're explaining isn't that my thread is for. Sorry but you seems less alert about the thread subject.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
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2/2/2014 4:52:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 12:31:59 PM, LAZARUS77 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

Yep they are not in the Muslim circle... they believe that Mirza Gulam Ahmad is a prophet but its contradicts the following verse:
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"

further you can see this debate:
https://www.youtube.com...

And another website very important to really understand how they claim prophethood after the holy prophet is : www.alislam.orgcontinuity of prophethood : proofs from holy quran ,Hadith and list of islamic scholars of the past. I think one should read their arguments in depth if one really loves the holy prophet and wants to defend him.
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2/2/2014 6:17:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The Ahmadiyyah Muslims are true Muslims. They just don't follow Muhammad's teachings strictly and thus become true Muslims who have surrendered their lives to God as Peace. Muhammad surrendered his life to a god of war. He did not understand the Jewish concept of Shalom where Salaam is derived and thus Islam as well. I love Ahmadiyyah Muslims because they have a proven record of being really peaceful people and because, actions speak louder than words, I don't really care that Ahmadiyyah's do not faithfully follow Muhammad. It's good that they don't.

Once Muslim women learn how far behind they are compared to the freedom to be themselves offered to non-Muslim women, they will be the ones who overhaul Islam and throw out all the old passe male domination anti-equality anti-democracy Sharia rules from the 7th Century and bring Muslims up to date. New Islam. It's coming!
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2/2/2014 7:58:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 6:17:40 PM, biomystic wrote:
Ahmadiyyah's do not faithfully follow Muhammad. It's good that they don't.



I am certain that any ahmadiyya muslim would be deeply offended by this very ignorant statement of yours. In fact they would claim that they're the ones who actually follow muhammad.
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2/2/2014 10:18:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
They may be but it doesn't alter the fact that Ahmadiyyah's do not follow Muhammad's teachings on several key issues beginning with the new spokesman for Islam Ahmad.
Ahmad's has a wonderful take on Muhammad and Islam which is to more or less ignore the hard violence inducing teachings and concentrate on the loving aspects of Islam. He has a wonderful Christian sense of forgiveness of sins and so of course, regular followers of Muhammad would not be able to stand that, Muhammad's Islam quite short on forgiveness of sinners and very long on listing the tortures in store for sinners.

To me, Ahmadiyyahs are the true Muslims because they ACT like people who have surrendered their lives to God as Peace. Unlike mainstream Sunni and Shiite Muslims who scare the West because of seeing another totalitarian mind control ideology at work exploiting human need for authoritative guidance.
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2/2/2014 10:22:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 10:18:26 PM, biomystic wrote:
They may be but it doesn't alter the fact that Ahmadiyyah's do not follow Muhammad's teachings on several key issues beginning with the new spokesman for Islam Ahmad.
Ahmad's has a wonderful take on Muhammad and Islam which is to more or less ignore the hard violence inducing teachings and concentrate on the loving aspects of Islam. He has a wonderful Christian sense of forgiveness of sins and so of course, regular followers of Muhammad would not be able to stand that, Muhammad's Islam quite short on forgiveness of sinners and very long on listing the tortures in store for sinners.

To me, Ahmadiyyahs are the true Muslims because they ACT like people who have surrendered their lives to God as Peace. Unlike mainstream Sunni and Shiite Muslims who scare the West because of seeing another totalitarian mind control ideology at work exploiting human need for authoritative guidance.

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2/2/2014 10:26:52 PM
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Be carefully here folks. I am addressing the Muslims when I say this. While it is true that the ahmadiyya beliefs are Kufr, they do pronounce the Shahaada and profess a belief in Islam. Because of this, we may not declare any particular one of them to be outside of Islam until the Hujjah has been established on them.

For those of you who don't know what this means, this is an Islamic theological discussion. Please forgive the Jargon.
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2/2/2014 10:43:05 PM
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If you want to play religious clique games, please take it to some other Forum than DEBATE.ORG which is here precisely for Debates between different sets of ideas and beliefs. Personally, I think you Muslims are afraid of open discussion because your Muslim beliefs really can't withstand intellectual or moral scrutiny, so you try to shut off unwanted questions. It only shows the weakness of Muhammadism that it cannot partake in open debate.
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2/3/2014 12:24:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 10:26:52 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Be carefully here folks. I am addressing the Muslims when I say this. While it is true that the ahmadiyya beliefs are Kufr, they do pronounce the Shahaada and profess a belief in Islam. Because of this, we may not declare any particular one of them to be outside of Islam until the Hujjah has been established on them.

For those of you who don't know what this means, this is an Islamic theological discussion. Please forgive the Jargon.

You can know that better than me you see when someone makes a cream cake with lemon topping and chili inside, he would be the only one calling it cake. I mean who produced them are only trying to cram them in the circle and discussion, so it becomes viable to point them out and their reality. So, I was sure about who can be a kfc log here. Anyway thanks for your positive contribution, I know the difference that you wanna point out but what hujjah you're referring to I'm mean according to way, anyone who sides such ideology is just out, what else is left (when purpose is provide a clear stance not personal offense for sure)
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2/3/2014 12:44:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 6:17:40 PM, biomystic wrote:
The Ahmadiyyah Muslims are true Muslims. They just don't follow Muhammad's teachings strictly and thus become true Muslims who have surrendered their lives to God as Peace. Muhammad surrendered his life to a god of war. He did not understand the Jewish concept of Shalom where Salaam is derived and thus Islam as well. I love Ahmadiyyah Muslims because they have a proven record of being really peaceful people and because, actions speak louder than words, I don't really care that Ahmadiyyah's do not faithfully follow Muhammad. It's good that they don't.

Once Muslim women learn how far behind they are compared to the freedom to be themselves offered to non-Muslim women, they will be the ones who overhaul Islam and throw out all the old passe male domination anti-equality anti-democracy Sharia rules from the 7th Century and bring Muslims up to date. New Islam. It's coming!

You don't know what are you talking about. Is it you who will decide who is Muslim and who is not? No, it's not just matter of your perception, it can be only referred to literature and relevant prescription, you never need t be worried. And if you wanna take part as open discussion, please do make sense then. What a peak of stupidity when you say True Americans are those who have come from the Jewish community because they really had changed the old US pathway (now you'll not get this anyway, certainly)

For making it easy for you, this topic isn't for your irrelevant pointless speech and bogus sentences against a particular ideology and nor you seems a combatant here, so please make sense and try to analyse that world isn't here to listen what you feel rather this is for explaining what the facts are according to prescribed and underlying principles of that particular subject. So according to the interpretation and definition, anyone who doesn't believe in the basics as they're (go have study before speaking) isn't Muslim, either you wanna agree or not that would be your own happy illusion.
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2/3/2014 12:53:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 10:43:05 PM, biomystic wrote:
If you want to play religious clique games, please take it to some other Forum than DEBATE.ORG which is here precisely for Debates between different sets of ideas and beliefs. Personally, I think you Muslims are afraid of open discussion because your Muslim beliefs really can't withstand intellectual or moral scrutiny, so you try to shut off unwanted questions. It only shows the weakness of Muhammadism that it cannot partake in open debate.

Prove by any mean, that ahmaddias are muslim? You seems to be just screwed up in your propaganda that you're unable to defend your words. Your purpose is just to outflow your thinking that can't attract anyone because you're just out of the context every time. I don't wanna offend you, but next time try to be effective by posting sensible and relevant response.
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2/3/2014 1:08:14 AM
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At 2/2/2014 4:52:16 PM, wifi wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:31:59 PM, LAZARUS77 wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

Yep they are not in the Muslim circle... they believe that Mirza Gulam Ahmad is a prophet but its contradicts the following verse:
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"

further you can see this debate:
https://www.youtube.com...

And another website very important to really understand how they claim prophethood after the holy prophet is : www.alislam.orgcontinuity of prophethood : proofs from holy quran ,Hadith and list of islamic scholars of the past. I think one should read their arguments in depth if one really loves the holy prophet and wants to defend him.

No the links you're providing are ahmaddias, and they have been declared as non-muslims.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
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2/3/2014 7:45:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

I can not think of one example of when a church has recognized a new religion that has accepted a new prophet after the main prophet of their church which is usually declared as the last prophet or declares the return of preexisting prophet.(often end of times)

Islam > Bah'ai
Islam > Ahmadiyya
Jewish > Christianity
Christianity > Islam
Christianity > Mormon

It is almost like the "Seal of Prophets" is a standard recipe when crafting a religion which is embedded to ensure the longevity of the religion. After all, all Christians can't suddenly pick up and say, oh yeah, Joseph Smith was a prophet and we were wrong with Jesus being the last Prophet.

On a more practical note, as I understand there are two different sects of those who follow Ahmadiyya. Those who believe he was a prophet and those who don't, yet believe in his teachings. Why couldn't the sect which does not recognize him as a prophet still be considered Muslim?

I guess that may differ upon sect. I assume that Ahmadiyya is not follow the proper line to be able to be within guidelines of Shia sect's line of keepers of the faith.

Any commentary on my last two paragraphs for my education?
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2/3/2014 9:03:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 10:43:05 PM, biomystic wrote:
If you want to play religious clique games, please take it to some other Forum than DEBATE.ORG which is here precisely for Debates between different sets of ideas and beliefs. Personally, I think you Muslims are afraid of open discussion because your Muslim beliefs really can't withstand intellectual or moral scrutiny, so you try to shut off unwanted questions. It only shows the weakness of Muhammadism that it cannot partake in open debate.

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2/3/2014 10:12:25 AM
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At 2/2/2014 10:43:05 PM, biomystic wrote:
If you want to play religious clique games, please take it to some other Forum than DEBATE.ORG which is here precisely for Debates between different sets of ideas and beliefs. Personally, I think you Muslims are afraid of open discussion because your Muslim beliefs really can't withstand intellectual or moral scrutiny, so you try to shut off unwanted questions. It only shows the weakness of Muhammadism that it cannot partake in open debate.

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2/3/2014 6:40:03 PM
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Fraidy cat, Muslims can only think of their next meal at kentucky fried chicken. The big bad Biomystic boogeyman's critiques of Muhammad cannot be answered so take the slander way out and hope nobody notices fearful Muslims unable to defend their religious beliefs because of them being so fundamentally cockeyed, the result of what happens when Gentiles steal Jewish religion without any spiritual authority.
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2/3/2014 9:16:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/2/2014 12:33:37 PM, Dazz wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:31:19 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:29:02 PM, Dazz wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:27:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

All you antichrists and false prophets are disobeying the commandments of our invisible Lord and Creator.

What does it mean?

Read this prophecy about God's people who don't obey His Voice or commandments.

Deuteronomy 28
15: "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your gournd, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: "the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on accound of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land wich you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until your perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

Religious people worship false gods and idols which go against the commandments of our Creator.

You want me to read out just 15 and 20 #?

I just underline certain parts of a prophecy to help God's people why they are confused about this world we live in today.

Only us saints were made to obey God's commandments during this first age so that God could teach us who were are within His mind as invisible vibrations. This is the reason this age was extended until we had the modern technology in place such as computers for God to use them as analogies to help us understand how He created us.
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2/4/2014 1:10:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/3/2014 9:16:53 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:33:37 PM, Dazz wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:31:19 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:29:02 PM, Dazz wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:27:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/2/2014 12:24:45 PM, Dazz wrote:
Anyone who claims or supports any such claim of new prophecy, even after the declaration of last Prophecy (centuries ago) doesn't called as a Muslim. And Ahmaddias are the followers of a person named as Mirza Gulam Ahmad who claimed to be a prophet in last century hence he and all ahmaddia group are out of the definition of Muslim, yet they claim to be, hypocritically. And this message is being presented as a note to readers as it's creating problematic issues when some non-muslims of Ahmadia group hypocritically present themselves as Muslims by providing irrelevant arguments and spreading misconceptions and misrepresentations around. So generally knowing it would help you out to by pass the stuff from Ahmaddias if you're really interested in knowledge-based discussion.

All you antichrists and false prophets are disobeying the commandments of our invisible Lord and Creator.

What does it mean?

Read this prophecy about God's people who don't obey His Voice or commandments.

Deuteronomy 28
15: "But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your gournd, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: "the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on accound of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land wich you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until your perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

Religious people worship false gods and idols which go against the commandments of our Creator.

You want me to read out just 15 and 20 #?

I just underline certain parts of a prophecy to help God's people why they are confused about this world we live in today.

Only us saints were made to obey God's commandments during this first age so that God could teach us who were are within His mind as invisible vibrations. This is the reason this age was extended until we had the modern technology in place such as computers for God to use them as analogies to help us understand how He created us.

No, I'm not confused. I believe in God's help and His blessings on all the creations. And let me inform you about saints, they don't have any fear, they're blessed and friends. They're those people that when we see them they cause us to remember God.

On the other part, there're workers of devils, they're trying their fullest to astray people from the straight path, but their all trial will remain in vain until the pious and sacred people're on their struggle.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
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2/4/2014 1:12:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/3/2014 6:40:03 PM, biomystic wrote:
Fraidy cat, Muslims can only think of their next meal at kentucky fried chicken. The big bad Biomystic boogeyman's critiques of Muhammad cannot be answered so take the slander way out and hope nobody notices fearful Muslims unable to defend their religious beliefs because of them being so fundamentally cockeyed, the result of what happens when Gentiles steal Jewish religion without any spiritual authority.

kfc
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~